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New York Times Attacks those Wacko 9-11 Conspiracy Theorists!

The august New York Times attacks those wacko conspiracy theorists who believe that the US Government did 9-11. Apparently, the scourge of 9-11 conspiracy theorists has spread to Germany where 1 in 5 people believe that the American Government was involved in 9-11. Remember, the New York Times is the most honest and trustworthy newspaper in the world. If they something is true, it must be true.
News analysis: Fertile soil for Sept. 11 theories
Richard Bernstein/NYT NYT Wednesday, October 1, 2003

BERLIN The first sign of the appeal of the new theory among people for whom it should have none was a standing-room-only meeting in June at Humboldt University of Berlin, one of Germany's premier institutions of higher learning. But a lower sort of learning was taking place.

More than 700 people enthusiastically greeted a series of speakers whose argument was that the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were not actually carried out by the 19 young Islamic militants identified by the FBI. That, the argument went, is one of many lies and distortions being perpetrated by something vaguely called "the media" and by something very specific: the United States government and the administration of President George W. Bush.

Who, then, did carry out the attacks? The answer was not clear, but the implication was: It was either allowed to happen or supported by the United States itself, or the United States actually organized the attacks to give it a pretext to send troops to Iraq and, more generally, to dominate the world.

Since the meeting at the university, the Sept. 11 conspiracy theory mania has grown in strength in Germany. At least four books are on the market here. One of them, "The CIA and Sept. 11: International Terror and the Role of the Secret Services," by Andreas von Bülow, who was Germany's federal research minister from 1980-82.

Von Bülow's book, which has been as high as No. 3 on the bestseller list in Germany, is, as the magazine Der Spiegel put it, "full of the subjunctive, would have, could have, may have." He does not directly accuse Washington of anything, but he writes that the planes hijacked on Sept. 11 had been secretly fitted with equipment allowing them to be guided from the ground.

Most unsettling, perhaps, in a poll first published by the newspaper Die Zeit in April and published again two weeks ago by Der Spiegel, roughly one in five Germans agreed with this statement: "Do you believe that the attacks were carried out by the United States government itself?" Germans are not alone in subscribing to the theories. One of the four books available here is the German translation of "The Appalling Lie," by a French conspiracy theorist, Thierry Meyssan, who contends that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane at all but was bombed in a way to make it look like it was hit by a plane. The book has sold 200,000 copies in France.

"There's a group of people in every country who will believe any nonsense," a senior German government official said, dismissing the popularity of the theories here as nothing unique. But some analysts say there is something about both Germany and Sept. 11 that does make the Germans especially vulnerable to the conspiracy claims.

"The simple answer is that Germany, as well as France, was against the war in Iraq, and that nonacceptance of the war in both countries has created a lot of mistrust about the explanations for the war," said Klaus Hillenbrand, managing editor of the newspaper die tageszeitung, which has done exposés of Sept. 11 rumors.

A prevailing explanation for the popularity of conspiracy theories is that they give psychological comfort to believers. Der Spiegel quotes the American political scientist Michael Barkun as saying that conspiracy theories allow people to "understand everything perfectly" because they disclose that "all the evil in the world can be attributed to a single cause."

Some people contend that Germany is prone to theories that attribute great evil to somebody else because it gives a sort of exoneration for its Nazi past. "There was a small portion of the population in Germany that used the Vietnam War as an excuse for the crimes of the Nazis," Hillenbrand said.

"They had the impression, 'Ah, the Americans do crimes, like My Lai, as well, so they are the same as us.' It's a special form of anti-Americanism that has gained some support in Germany," he said.

The New York Times

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f***ing fools 01.Oct.2003 07:38

nyt sucks

>> But some analysts say there is something about both Germany and Sept. 11 that does make the Germans especially vulnerable to the conspiracy claims.

Um, like that a similar thing happened to them in '33, and by believing the "official line" they got screwed by their government: German Parliament (Reichstag) burns down, and the Nazis used this as pretext to suspend civil liberties and take the country to war. Historians do not agree whether it was really a Dutch communist or actually the Nazis themselves who set the fire, but it doesn't matter - the point is, civil liberties being eroded and (multiple!) wars are not a proper response to terror, and neither is braindead faith in your "leaders".

The problem with stupidity 01.Oct.2003 09:20

reader

Article synopsis: People are too stupid to think for themselves so we need fascism-now.

I thought it would be quicker to condense the Bernstein article from that bastion of information the New York Times.
After the exposure of this newspaper's fraud in the reporting of the Joseph Stalin phenomenon occuring in Russia, ie. mass starvation, gulags,
and genocide during the Sovietization of Russia, their credibility on these kind of issues is zero.

New Times Motto 01.Oct.2003 10:33

passport

All the planted evidence that's fit to look at.

no title 01.Oct.2003 11:18

bookseller

Meyssan has another book entitled "Pentagate". Good luck finding it!

understand everything perfectly 01.Oct.2003 12:30

employee

"Der Spiegel quotes the American political scientist Michael Barkun as saying that conspiracy theories allow people to "understand everything perfectly" because they disclose that "all the evil in the world can be attributed to a single cause.""

...like the evildoers who hate our freedoms and are coming after us, namely Osama Bin Laden...I mean Saddam Hussein...um, next...

I wouldn't wipe my *** with the NY Times 01.Oct.2003 17:26

Not fooled

The NY Times is one of the most corrupt rags on the planet. Their sales are in the garbage because thinking people are no longer fooled by the stooges who run that corporate TP. The Times no longer hires the best and the brightest, instead they retain affirmative action flunkies who have never even written so much as a cartoon for Warner Brothers. They editorialize on the front page instead of giving facts, they stack the deck, bury important stories on page 112 that run counter to their intense ideological agendas and they no longer represent the people they claim to inform.

The picture of the ostrich with its head in the sand is an excellent metaphore for how the NY Times deals with the truth.

Berstein "debunks"????? 01.Oct.2003 21:22

wtf?

'conspiracy theories allow people to "understand everything perfectly" because they disclose that "all the evil in the world can be attributed to a single cause."'

--you mean,

like Saddam Hussein had a bunch of WMDs that were 'threatening' the U.S. and planet Earth?
Richard Bernstein's
Richard Bernstein's "News analysis" . . .
. . . is good for Fertile soil
. . . is good for Fertile soil

NYT pays their own conspiracy theorist 01.Oct.2003 23:21

Fred

Her name is Judith Miller.

So they should leave the rest the f**k alone.

Conspiracy theories 02.Oct.2003 13:10

Tom

It is just possible that this sort of soft "debunking" is the only way the NYT can keep the story alive in its own pages. If they really wanted to suppress it, they would just not report-- 9/1/1 is almost down the memory hole already-- so why did they feel the need to bring it back?

There may be more going on than is apparent on the surface