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Venezuela's Chavez Blasts U.S. Over Assassination Plot

President Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday Venezuelan "terrorists" plotting to kill him were training in the United States, and he told the U.S. and Spanish governments to stop meddling in his country's affairs.
Venezuela's Chavez Blasts U.S. Over 'Terrorist' Plot

Wed September 24, 2003 04:49 PM ET

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - President Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday Venezuelan "terrorists" plotting to kill him were training in the United States, and he told the U.S. and Spanish governments to stop meddling in his country's affairs.

In a pugnacious speech to a meeting of women supporters in Caracas, the left-wing Venezuelan leader also criticized the United Nations as a "dialogue of the deaf" and said it was not worth speaking at the international body.

Chavez, who faces a possible referendum on his rule sought by political foes in Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil exporter, had canceled a planned visit to the U.N. and the U.S. this week. He had cited security concerns.

He said on Wednesday that, while he had no conclusive proof, his government had received information of a possible assassination plot against him by Venezuelan opponents based in the United States, which is a major buyer of Venezuelan oil.

"Over there, in U.S. territory, people are conspiring against Venezuela, terrorists are being trained," Chavez said.

He gave no more details but said those involved had taken part in a failed coup against him last year.

"If they (the U.S. authorities) are really fighting terrorism as they say, they should act against these terrorists who are threatening Venezuela," Chavez said.

He angrily accused Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar and the government of President Bush of interfering in Venezuela's internal affairs. He has attacked both the U.S. and Spanish leaders in the past.

"The Spanish empire was thrown out of here almost 200 years ago, Aznar," Chavez shouted, recalling how Venezuela had won independence from Spanish colonial rule.

"What happens in Venezuela has nothing to do with Mr Bush's government," he added.

In recent weeks, Chavez has furiously rejected statements from senior Bush administration officials supporting the idea of a referendum on his rule.

His attack against Aznar appeared to be motivated by comments by the Spanish prime minister published in a Colombian magazine this week. Aznar had urged Chavez not to follow the example of communist Cuba in his policies for Venezuela.

Political opponents accuse Chavez of ruling like a dictator and say his self-styled "revolution" is dragging oil-rich Venezuela toward economic ruin. He portrays his foes as rich, resentful "oligarchs" fighting to preserve their wealth and privileges.

homepage: homepage: http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3502728


This Chavez sounds alright! 25.Sep.2003 20:46

Amie de Swedenborg

Unfortunately, what happens in Venezuela has everything to do with Mr Bush's government. Because that government seeks to suppress any opposition to its total global dominance. Participatory, and democratically elected governments stand directly in the way of the new juggernaut of Mr. Bush and those who give him his orders.

Thanks for the news of our brothers and sisters in the south!

Blind support of a tyrant is inexcusable 25.Sep.2003 21:10

ed

Its amazing that people who aren't Venezuelan and don't know what's really going on in that country will turn around and support one of the most corrupt, violent, and incompetent Latin American leaders to be "democratically elected." Chazez has violently suppressed political opposition, state media, and local government, and has driven the economy into ruin. The poorest people are even poorer, and legitimate business owners, who hold the only hope of reviving the econom, have been put out of business or have left the country. Ranchers and farmers land is being illegally confiscated by the state to make room for more tin-housing slums, which is the extent of Chavez economic miracle. Chavez' best friend is Fidel Castro, another dictator with the blood of thousands upon his hands. If this is the type of people you support, you are truly a fool.

Oops 25.Sep.2003 22:08

fooled again

Thanks again for news from the south. I looks like I was wrong about this Chavez fellow, now he dosn't look so good after all. Are you Venezuelan? I surely don' t want to truly be fool. My only excuse is the poverty of my awareness.

News from the south 25.Sep.2003 22:37

Tom

I have one Venezuelan friend. He likes Chavez.

Everything I read is suspect, so I can't know what is going on. But I did spend a couple of years in Brazil, where the heavy hand of the US was painfully evident.

"ed" is chock-full of schitt 25.Sep.2003 22:50

GRINGO STARS

Don't believe the hype. Ed is parroting soundbites he heard on Faux News, no doubt. It is the poorest venezuelans who support Chavez the most. The "economy" as measured by major corporations, isn't doing too well because Chavez refuses to sell off Venezuela's natural resources and refuses to privatize industries utility companies. venezuela is suffering from an economic attack by international corporations which are being shut out from exploiting that country. Chavez is confiscating land from absentee capitalist landowners who never even come to Venezuela so that people with no prospects can farm. Chavez is one of the most promising leaders of today's world, in my opinion. The US has tried a coup already and failed, and Venezuelan corporate media is still owned by his capitalist enemies, but Venezuelans see through the corporate propaganda.

a 2002 article;
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/23/coup_countercoup.shtml

a more recent update;
 http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/100905.shtml

jeez, ed, get an analysis 25.Sep.2003 22:55

alex

<snip>
and legitimate business owners, who hold the only hope of reviving the econom,
<snip>

And who would that be?

"legitimate business owners"? Parasites you mean. They should be nationalized along with the landowners. Capitalists feed off the workers, they cannot survive without them. Workers, on the other hand could do quite well without their bosses and masters.

Personally, I doubt Chavez and I would agree on much because he's too much of a statist, but if he's fighting fascism (capitalist manipulation of government) then I'll put aside our differences.

Hey, ed, if you like fascists so much why don't you hop in your time machine, go back about sixty years and cozy up with Hitler or Mussolini.

mister ed 26.Sep.2003 00:55

brian

'Chazez has violently suppressed political opposition, state media, and local government,' would you care to prove this wild assertion? Its bilge from start to finish

here is a different point of view:
 http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Media-Against-Democracy18feb03.htm

Hey Ed 26.Sep.2003 08:25

larry

Ed my son. You are a lost soul. Stop listening to the corporate/government media propaganda. Why don't you read up on the bolivian revolution and Chavez. Then you will know what Chavez is all about. He is truly the peoples president.

Getting the truth... 26.Sep.2003 13:39

*

I have no doubt that the CIA is attempting a coup in Venezuela-- this is hardly a new tactic-- they tried an number of inane attempts to embarrass or assassinate Fidel Castro, they successfully assassinated Salvador Allende in Chile and ushered in a brutal dictatorship. Ditto for Panama, Nicaragua, etc. The information we receive in the US about these conflicts and the brutalities that result from US involvement is twisted and false. For those of you who are familiar with Latin American history, you will recognize numerous occurrences in present-day Venezuela as having occurred leading up to the coup in Chile in 1973. The creation of economic chaos, the false information spread by the right-wing press, the wealthy people protesting in the streets and accusing the government supporters of violence. Chavez was never on the radar screen as a "bad guy" until just recently. But as soon as he dared to criticize the US, dared to make changes in his country to protect the poor, didnt' give in to big business, and, most importantly, became a vital oil supplier, he was branded as dangerous, a dictator, etc. Las time I checked dictators weren't elected DEMOCRATICALLY. Everyone should see "The Revolution will not be televised" for a first-hand account of the attempted coup in Venezuela-- a truly quality piece of journalism that deconstructs and examines the myths that we are being fed about Venezuela. So before we fall into the trap of judging Chavez or any other person or country as good or evil, as the media wants us to do, let's take a step back and admit that we don't have all the information, we haven't lived it, and we are not at all in the position to hold such an opinion. Bring you humility and desire to understand the truth, and then, perhaps, you can form an educated opinion.

no, I am not a lost soul, and I get my information from Venezuela, unlike YOU 28.Sep.2003 21:24

-ed

Thanks for your concern. I am not a lost soul. My information comes from Venezuela itself, from someone who actually lives there. You will not find out what is really
going on unless you talk to actual Venezuelans IN THE COUNTRY. There is almost no media coverage of the truth anymore, thanks to "THE REVOLUTION".
If you love Chavez and his proposals, you must love Cuba too. Look how well things have worked out there.

Its really sad that all of the couch potatoes in this country feel they have a right to support someone because he represents some lost failed political ideal they
read in a book. Or because it supports some ridiculous CIA conspiracy theories they like'd to be true. The problem is not that the CIA is trying to
assassinate Chavez (he would have died during the coup is that was true), but that the US cares very little about the political and economic siutation
in Venezuela, as long as the oil keeps flowing. None of you obviously care what happens to actual Venezuelans. Talk to some....since the ones who are
over in the US now are CERTAINLY not going back to the successes of "THE REVOLUTION" any time until Chavez is dead and buried....

the other side, continued 28.Sep.2003 21:42

-ed

Check out
 http://www.militaresdemocraticos.com/desobediencia/en/20030126-01.html

This is by a professor who opposed the dictatoriship and supported both the communist and socialist
agendas in the past. Not exactly a "rich corrupt capitalist"....

2evils? 29.Sep.2003 06:55

Maxibilian Kurtz

Let's talk about "dictators" with the "blood of thousands" on their hands....
Castro? Gimme a break.....Castro should get mad respect for sticking it through this far. I'm sure he wasted a few people along the line, who were all teary eyed about the Batista glory days (funny how only tyrants who disagree with the US get labelled as "dictators", whereas tyrants who play ball are seen as legitimate heads of state). What the hell does Castro have to do with Chavez anyway? I find it hilarious how Castro is seen as this insanely oppressive tyrannical dictator. If the people truly wanted him gone, they would have done it themselves years ago, without any help from the CIA or any of these Tony Montana-ass motherfuckers who claim to be Cuban, but live in Miami. I guess I'd hate Castro too if I could'nt snort rails of coke while cruising in my brand new SUV. Anyway, I'm digressing a bit here, so back to the topic of Chavez. I'd like to restate the point made above, that dictators are not democratically elected. Chavez supports everything that would make Venezuela a strong, independant, sovereign nation. America does not want this, they see the entire western hemisphere as part of their sphere of imperial influence. This has been their policy since the Spanish-American War, and they have murdered many times more people than Castro ever will (ah, i guess it does'nt count if you change dictators every four years?) in support of this goal of having a pan-american hegemony where the rest of the hemisphere is locked into economic servitude. One example of this was the CIA's assassination of Allende, and his replacement with military brass/United Fruit Company executives. The fucking CIA does not even deny this stuff anymore. Ed, you should just sit back and bask in the warm glow of burning indigenous cultures, enjoy your American luxury items and your stacks of capital, admit that you are merely a talking head for the most despicable empire in history, and shut the fuck up.

yes ed 29.Sep.2003 08:09

the holistic approach

ed , tis true my friend. you hsould ask your venezuelan friend what he does back in venezuela, or what his parents do. ill bet he is part of the rich minority who see there vast personal wealth being drawn away from them to be spread more evenly among the vast majority of impoverished poeple in the slums of the urban centers, and the rural peasants.

you must realize that there is a defenite power structure in venezuela, the wealthy minority who ussually control polotics are for the first time at the mercy of the poeple they have been exploiting for generations, i suggest you watch the CBC documentary "Chavez: inside the coup" it won many awards, and was filmed from inside the presidential palace from the leadup to the coup attempt, during the coup and when chavez was rescued and brought back to the palace.

it shows exactlly how democracy works when you challenge the capitalist powers of the world.

Ed, your source seems like right wing propaganda 29.Sep.2003 12:25

Dweller educate333@yahoo.com

I don't normally post on IMC newswires, but I would like to inform you ed, that it seems the source ( http://www.militaresdemocraticos.com/desobediencia/en/20030126-01.html) you wanted us all to check out is nothing other than right wing propaganda. I'm sorry, but the Author, Manuel Caballero, does not provide a single citation, reference or empirical fact (which I would expect from a full professor of Contemporary History). If he has sources that could (should) have been cited, I would actually be very interested in reading them. Also, if you browse the links on the page you will find outrageous allegations that Chavez and Castro were working on Bio-chemical weapons for Saddam, that he donated $1 million to Al-queda, and prehaps most outreageously, that he is responsible for the outbreak of West Nile Virus in the U.S. this summer. Oh, and if you follow the page all the way down to the bottom and hit the link entitled "home", it will take you to the home page of the opposition (which certainly can't possibly be biased). Now, I am not purporting to fully understand the situation in Venezuela, nor do I consider myself well educated on the issue, however, one thing I do know how to do is identify fraud and bias, and this web page could be used as textbook examples for both.


Truth about Chavez 29.Sep.2003 17:13

Teddy Wood scsk8er35@cs.com

Chavez was democratically elected in his country by a land-slide. He seeks land reforms, more workers rights, education and other social programs. Those who oppose him are the ultra-rich of Venezuela, they also control the Venezuelan media. So when the social elite of Venezuela say the bad things about Chavez our media swallows it hook line and sinker. Don't believe it. When the rich of Venezuela, working with US backers, arrested Chavez in an attempted coup, the people of Venezuela pored into the streets to demand that he be re-instated. He was, but the rich are still trying. Don't let it happen! Anyone who cares about democracy or justice should support Chavez. Call your Senators and tell them that you don't want the US to take part in overthrowing democratically elected government in Latin America.

Santa Cruz CA.

the Revolution that isn't.... 29.Sep.2003 19:14

-ed

No, he is a 'she', and they are not a part of the "rich upper class", actually the middle-class who own typical businesses that are the basis of
most economies. ('middle-class' in Venezuela would be considered lower-middle class over here...i.e. not living in poverty, but not having
extra money to throw around) They don't live in a ranchero, but they also don't own thousands of acres of unused land. They live near the border to Columbia,
where the situation has deteriorated to the point that's its no longer safe for outsiders to really visit. Not only from kidnappings from local thugs, Chavistas,
and cross-border rebels, but also bombings of local businesses by people who seem to think the "REVOLUTION" is an excuse to play Robin-Hood style
anarchy.

Chavez is not just 'handing over unused land". Any piece of your land, whether you're using it for ranching or farming or housing is free game now. Unless you
defend it with a rifle, the government no longer cares what really happens. Not from 'rich absentee landowners', but *anyone*. If you believe the what Chavez's
government actually claims, you are not hearing it from the people actually affected. Chavez is systematically destroying the middle-class economic base of
Venezuela. If things continue as they are, in a few years, you will see Latin American style 'superinflation' & ecomic collapse. (in acutality, its already
started) No one who's lived there for the last 25 years can say things are better. There currency has become worthless, rural areas have become far more dangerous, jobs have evaporated, and things are only on a downhill slide. This has little to do with distributing money from the oil barons to the common people. The rich oil people are such a minority, that they are really irrelevant to the big picture of what is happening down there. Anyone with "big" money has taken it out of Venezuela already.
Chavez isn't uniting the country, but is creating a phony and dangerous game of class warfare that will only lead to disaster.

You think the Chazez links to terrorism are entirely made up? Sure is strange for a Latin American leader of a mostly Catholic country to be
buddying up to Saddam, Quadafi, and Castro. Militares Democratos is biased, just as much as vheadline.com is biased in the opposite direction (after
all, vheadline quotes *this site* as the source of the 'CIA is trying to assasinate Chazez" information)
The UPI has published a summary of some of this. You can't get it from UPI right now, but it's archived here (no its NOT a
Washington Times article)
 http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030901-023555-6981r.htm
Of course, no one will believe any of this till the trial in Britain.....


So tell me. How many of you actually know people who are in Venezuela at this time, and not some Chavez supporter who is enjoying a comfortable life
in Miami, earning what would be 'rich elite' wages in Venezuela, who has no plans to return anytime soon???? There seems to be alot of those on the English news sites...

democraticlly elected 29.Sep.2003 22:59

jimi

well, again amerika comes to rescue people from childishly choosing a leftist gov't through democratic process. unlike in amerika where presidents (with the aid of family) are judicially appointed instead of "democratically elected". hail the chief.

poor, poor, Venezuela :( 30.Sep.2003 00:30

Cazon

If Mr. Chavez was democratically elected and maintains such overwhelming support, why is he furiously opposing the "fascist opposition" for a constitutional recall referendum? After all, it would be another democratic vote, would it not?

If he still maintains 80% support as he claims, why would he fear being voted out of office? Why does he seem so paranoid about losing his grip on power if he truly has the best interest of Venezuela at heart? Why does Venezuela appear to be moving toward a oppressive dictatorship rather than a Bolivarian ideal?
(e.g.  link to www.hrw.org )

He didn't seem to care about staging a bloody coup in 1992...but now he objects to one against him? And many of his 1992 co-conspirators have been appointed
to government positions since 1998. Mr. Chavez has only replaced one corrupt regime with his version of another. His ideas seemed honorable and good at first. Unfortunately, they bear little resemblance to reality now.

Chavez and terrorists, another report 30.Sep.2003 03:07

-ed

From the latest issue of US New & WR, a different 2-month investigation:
 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/031006/usnews/6venezuela.htm

Of course, most of you will dismiss it as right-wind propaganda.....but the reason some of my
friends are now here in the US is because of this upsurge in cross-border FARC/ELN infiltration, which
can only happen with Venezuelan complicity (i.e. if you look like you have any money or own a business,
you're in high danger of being kidnapped, ransomed, raped if your female, then most likely killed)

Bushy bear 30.Sep.2003 09:26

Carlos Sacaan

First of all, I'd like to say that "America" is not the name of a country, but a whole continent. Care should be taken in the use of this word, since it silently implies that US owns the whole continent (partly true, but not a wish).

Great, ed! Now, for your information, there is not such a thing like "middle class" in Venezuela. There are just two stratus: petrol powered class and poor. Your friends living in US are exactly the same thing as Celia Cruz: traitors. You should remember which was the first measure taken during the short government after the cup: constitution nullment. Also, you should recall that YOUR country sent US navy vessels to Venezuela during this cup and kept them near the coast, waiting to try a second "Bahía de los Cochinos".
Can i believe your sources when your own president is lying about massive destruction weapons in Irak? After killing thousands? Just for the oil???

Your "she" friend should be very careful, time has come for the rich to pay (as you probably know, there are no kidnappings among poors). I highly recommend her to fly to Miami and buy herself an MP3 player.

whatever 30.Sep.2003 15:13

-ed

No middle class in Venezuela? Everyone either lives in a tin hut or is an oil baron? And if you're not a tin hutter, you're a traitor? Kidnapping and rape of anyone except the poor is condoned? Uhhmm, yeah,...whatever troll. You have a great sense of justice, values, and democracy, just like your idol Mr. Chavez.

give ed a break... 30.Sep.2003 22:18

kuwasi

let's give poor ed a rest for a minute and focus instead on some of his biases, which are probably shared by many venezolanos, and probably also a lot of gringos. when i was in venezuela, i made friends with a family of sorts on a street corner in caracas. it consisted of a few 14- to 19-year-old prostitutes, a couple small time dealers, a hot dog cart vendor, several homeless street kids, and the mother of some of the girls who acted as their madam. they were street-smart and knew how to hustle, and took whatever came their way in the way of money, cigarettes, food, etc. it's like this in most of the developing world in my experience, where huge numbers of people exist on the fringes of society, and struggle to feed themselves on a daily basis, without any social safety net, and without family to support them as they grow up. these are exactly the sort of people whom one would expect to jump at any chance to better their conditions through the benefits so often credited to neoliberalism, ethical or not, sustainable or not, democratic and equitable or not.

and yet, these are also the very people who both largely elected chavez, and militantly defended his presidency in the streets after the coup attempt. why is this? for many years, these are the sorts of people who have resisted capitalist 'benevolence' in all its myriad forms: trade agreements, repressive laws to benefit investors, privatization, infrastructure projects, even outright police and military crackdowns on dissent. it's the farmers who see their age-old stewardship of the land shouldered aside so giant industrial outfits can make a short-term profit and leave the earth devastated for future farmers; it's the fisherpeople who see less and less bounty in the oceans and rivers and lakes due to massive pollution, and export-oriented factory trawlers decimating the remaining catch; it's the homeless millions who resent being flooded, exploded, evicted and otherwise displaced from their homes to make way for dams and mines and roads and all the other payouts to those who can afford to grease the decisionmakers; it's the indigenous societies who see daily the extinction of their ancient knowledge and the dismissal of their very existence in a continuation of the genocides of the last 500 years; it's the young and not-yet-cynical who see the bleak future as too insulting an inheritance to accept without a fight... these people have borne the brunt of capitalist globalization and have thus been the ones to fight back first. naturally, without connections to power, their struggles and examples have been largely ignored in the comfortable societies.

but even the middle class in many places is starting to see through the thin rhetoric of the ruling class. the promises are starting to seem hollow after the second or third layoff or pay cut or devaluation of currency. argentina is a classic case- here's the supposed poster child of imf and world bank 'structural adjustment programs' falling apart as the middle class realizes their hard work is not going into their savings but flowing through a gigantic sewer straight into banks in boston and geneva and london. even inside the us, middle class folks are starting to ask questions about the occasional stories on tv that are too disturbing to ignore. who are the decisionmakers, and why don't they live like us? why do so many people outside the us both hate this country, and want desperately to get inside the country? the time is coming (slowly- it's still too easy to be comfortable shopping at the mall, or distracted by the oj simpson saga or viagra or the latest hollywood gangsta rapper) when the middle class in the developed world realizes its common cause with the ruffians and miscreants and undesirables of the world. but this is
some time away; what we are seeing not just in venezuela but all over the world, is an incredibly sophisticated mind-control apparatus working away day and night to get inside people's heads and convince them of the correctness of the way of capital, and of the futility of resistance; not until the media are exposed to the mainstream for collusion with the overt oppressors, will there be real change in this world. the sway they have over people in venezuela is unmistakable- tv stations there openly advocated political views during the coup crisis, and it's not difficult to guess which way they leaned.

in cuba, i saw also the hypnotic trance of american media, coupled with the effects of the choking us embargo, convincing many cubans it would be better to do away with the social structure they fought so valiantly for just a few decades ago. many seem to be blind to what they do have, maybe since what the us lacks is not usually portrayed in films and music. imagine a doctor coming to your house once a week to check on every member of the family, or magnificent resorts built for the exclusive use of members of various trades. these are things we would see as alien here in the us- in the richest, most powerful country on the planet.

whether change comes cataclysmically, or in the patient process of shifting legitimacy
(community-by-community from official, top-down institutions to community-controlled ones), the depth of its success will depend on the groundwork each of us lays down leading up to it. it's only in our interests to learn from these important dramas being played out so far away, and to see that our own well-being is intrinsically connected to that of everyone else on the planet.

www.agp.org


ps- state/ego/direct democracy 01.Oct.2003 00:04

kuwasi

social upheaval inevitably incites all sorts of egotists and power trippers to hawk themselves as saviors of one kind or another, usually leading down the path either of renewal of the status quo, or of an even worse anti-democratic situation. the jury is out on chavez's legacy; there is still too much external influence in venezuelan politics and economy (as in cuba) to determine where blame most squarely lies. but whether chavez himself is an attractive model or not, the phenomenon of the bolivarian circles is much larger than him personally, and cannot be ignored as the creation of some pinko nut. there is genuine large-scale unrest and dissatisfaction across latin america and in most of the world, and the targets of what must now be billions of people are usually institutions based in the developed north, which represent the interests of those few who control the capitalist economic agenda.


sources, people. sources 01.Oct.2003 00:21

bushwhacked galilei_2000@yahoo.com

If you desire to step away from Fox News, (hey, boycotting Fox Tower might be smart),
please PLEASE check out  http://www.gregpalast.com
He's an American journalist who couldn't find a way to get stories published in the US of (censored) A
He has a lot to say.
Also, if you haven't already, change channels from CNN to  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com, a fantastic blog on the everyday politics that will drag you screaming to the streets.
I am a displaced Portlander from Nofeast and I can tell you for real that you people have the clearest voices I know of in America.
People are listening (in Oregon)... educate them. You are priveleged, believe it or not. Most of the country can't BEGIN to see the world the way you do.
I'm sure it's been posted here 1,000 times, but I will post it again... please read:  http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
It's a weblog written by a young woman in Bagdad who speaks perfect English.
Perhaps it's an Iraqi intelligence trick, but I think about 4 sentences will put your mind at ease...
Watch your tax dollars at work!

AZ, USA

Mr. Ed, and American Democracy Hypocrisy 01.Oct.2003 07:32

.

Ed is a standard disinformationalist who will play every cyncial American political card in the book to smear any opposition to the American Empire in Latin America in general or Venzuela in particular. All you have to know about Ed, Militares Democratics, and other anti-Chavez groups in Venezuela is the fact that these people either supported or were behind the American coup attempt against Chavez in April 2002. This is the type of "democracy" that these hypocrites stand for when they have the gall to call themselves "Pro-Democracy" advocates no less.

First, Ed cites some article from the a former Leftist Professor attacking Chavez in the pro-Golpista rag "Militares Democraticos" then turns around and admits that this propaganda sheet is "biased" in a latter post.. This is the same Militares Democratics which, by the way, is still pathetically reapeating all the lies about Saddam Hussein's "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in a desperate ploy to smear Hugo Chavez. The same Militares Democraticos which is so desperate to smear Chavez that it even suggests that Chavez was implicated in 9/11.

Then Ed tries to play the Terrorism Card--ala the Bush Regime--by suggesting that Chavez supports "terrorism" because he is friendly with Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro and Ghaddaffi, . Too bad Ed carefully avoids the fact that Hussein and Castro HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM--despite the lies spewed by the American Media, Dick Cheney, and 70% of the American people who still believe that "Saddam did 9/11." In fact, it is the USA and its Venezulean stooges who are the true terrorists as they have staged one bloody provocation and thinly disguised coup attempt after another, all the while professing concern for "democracy."

Funniest of all, Ed tries to play the increasingly discredited "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Card by suggesting that Chavez secretly helped Saddam with his mythological Weapons of Mass Destruction Program (which has yet to be found, by the way). Perhaps, Ed would like to tell the Bush Regime or David Kay where Saddam's massive arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction are hidden?

Like most American propagandists, Ed will manipulate whatever is America's latest "hot botton" propaganda issue of the moment (Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc...) in order to justify one thing: Imperialist American domination of any nation that has the nerve to resist American capitalist looting of its people.

In the world that Ed, Militares Democraticos, and other anti-Chavez forces live in, staging a coup d'etat against a democratically elected president is an example of Democracy In Action. This is the same Orwellian American logic as that of the Bush Regime which came to power through a stolen and election--and then turns around and preaches about "promoting democracy" around the world.

This is the true content of American Democracy which, as Malcolm X said, is nothing but disguised hypocrisy.

Perhaps Ed should go work for the New York Times, his twisted defintion of democracy and freedom, his Alice in Wonderland style lies, and his self-righteous political hypocrisy would fit in perfectly at the "Newspaper of Record."

in support of chavez 08.Oct.2003 15:47

compadre

it is always a good idea to recieve news with a critical ear, no matter how unbiased the source may seem. I have never travelled to venezuela, but I have travelled extensively to other latin american countries and I can testify to the damaging and culturally destructive effects NAFTA and US hegemony. I dont know what it's like to live in venezuela under the leadership of hugo chavez, but I am in support of any democratically elected leader who works toward the goal of a greater distribution of wealth and the creation of local economies. chavez has every right to tell the US and Spain to butt out. in fact, the US ought to butt out of a lot of other global problems and focus more on increasing domestic unemployment, increasing obesity, our embarrassing public education system, the increasing amounts of imprisoned minorities, the need for reparations, the problem of suburban sprawl, getting bush out of office in 04, and the list goes on and on.......

you got it wrong 05.Jul.2005 08:27

Karlin lard4ass@hotmail.com

You got it all wrong - the TYRANT is Bush.Its him that is doing the assassination attempt of DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders of oil-rich nations.

Chavez is trying to get the oil wealth for his people, instead of for American oilmen. That is unique in the world.

Chavez has the backing for his effrots that rival American forces. Lets hope it never comes to that. The best hope for that is that America backs off of trying to control oilrich nations. Otherwise, it is a clash of America VS Chavez supporters of Russia, China, and little ol' Cuba.

Socialist VS Capitalists coorporate types again. We have been led to believe they are the bad guys - ARE YOU SO SURE NOW? Abuses, invasions, assasinations - no morality there - is that where you want to live?

Simply co-operate, embrace alternative fuels, and life gets better here. The economics of alternatives are at least as CERTAIN as the "dwindling oil economy" that your sons are sacrificing their lives for.

he is righ! 16.Dec.2005 21:00

noah

He is right!

if you haven't seen "The revolution will not be televised" you need to fing it and watch it.