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Is Dean the Blackest White Candidate We Can Find?

It's a given that black candidates are unelectable. So who's the most black-friendly white candidate the Democrats have to offer?
Byting News: Is Dean the Blackest White Candidate We Can Find?
By Tanu T. Henry, Africana.com, September 15, 2003

The past several months of Democratic campaigning were a frustrating spectacle, as most of the putative frontrunners attempted to sound "presidential" while steering clear of any direct criticism of President George W. Bush's increasingly disastrous international and domestic policies. Reticence on the parts of Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt et al. backfired though, having the unintended consequence of clearing the way for a vocal outsider candidate to move to the front of the pack; the last few weeks have seen the insiders chasing a new frontrunner: Vermont Governor Howard Dean.

At last week's Congressional Black Caucus-hosted debate all nine democratic candidates finally unleashed their inner outsider, speaking in a nearly united voice of criticism against Bush's bumbling of the economy and Iraq. Enlivened, perhaps, by the outsider-ish setting (Morgan State's never been googled this much in its history), the candidates expressed varying points of views on issues from universal healthcare to improved education and, finally, provided what the democratic party needs most: a blast of humor.

Through it all, Dean played it pitch-perfect, ranging from plainspoken sincerity to taunting schoolboy wit. He parried Ed Gordon's question about his ability to connect with black voters with a nice barb ( http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec03/debate_9-10.html) -- "Well, if the percentage of minorities that's in your state has anything to do with how you can connect with African American voters, then Trent Lott would be Martin Luther King."

He even, as Slate's William Saletan pointed out ( http://slate.msn.com/id/2088124/), turned Joe Lieberman's patented moral disapproval bit against him ("I'm disappointed, Joe," he said, pulling a long face when Lieberman questioned his commitment to Israel).

Thursday, Dean asked former NATO commander and, Wesley Clark, the guy Democrats all over strongly believe could be Bush's toughest challenge, to be his running mate. With Dean's irreverence and Clark's military credentials, the two would form a formidable tag team, maybe even one capable of winning election come November 2004. ( http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=123EF57E-EFAD-4C18-A0FE19D4A3011F76)

It's quite easy to predict the political vector of a Dean political argument during any debate. But the backlash has begun. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles) First, his overstated claim in the last debate that he is the only white candidate who can talk frankly about race in front of white audiences made his fellow (white) democrats yelp in protest.

"Governor Dean is trying to use positioning on race as a means of defining himself against his Democratic colleagues," said Jennifer Palmieri, John Edwards's spokeswoman. ( http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/11/rivals_dispute_dean_on_race_issue_claim/) "[Race] shouldn't be used as a political football."

And then House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi criticized Dean in a public letter for advocating that the United States take a neutral position in negotiations between Israel and Palestine. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20030911-0146-dean-israel.html) "On the contrary, in these difficult times we must reaffirm our unyielding commitment to Israel's survival and raise our voices against all forms of terrorism and incitement," wrote Pelosi. While Pelosi's concerns about the state of Israel are understandable, Dean's insistence that only impartiality can make the United States a "credible" go-between in the Middle East conflict follows a smarter line of reasoning.

And what of the Democratic field's actual black candidates? Al Sharpton -- the Democrat's necessary extreme left bandleader -- fired stinging witticisms that made the wisecracks of Bob Graham ("Osama Been Forgotten") and the rhyming two-liners of Dick Gephardt ("Like father, like son, one term and he's gone") seem like political horseplay.

Don't come to our debate and disrupt it, Sharpton demanded of supporters of Libertarian presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche, who heckled candidates while they tried to answer questions. Sharpton even threatened to have members of his National Action Network tame the protesters, a comment that drew criticisms from conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, the next day for its "thuggery" and lack of presidential tact. ( http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091003/content/stop_the_tape_2.guest.html)

Dennis Kucinich and Carol Mosely Braun win applause for their charm and convincing sincerity. Kucinich votes his conscience in congress as in his opposition to the war in Iraq. And he's bound to be popular among poor and minority voters for surviving and overcoming enough financial and familial setbacks to rival any poor inner city black or Hispanic kid while he was growing up. Braun, for her part, wins with moving and inspiring rhetoric about her dad's devoted military service overseas even when segregation was legal at home. But both candidates should save us some time, themselves some money, and the DNC some platform space and drop out. It's clear that their honesty and intelligence won't win them the race.

For now, Dean comfortably leads the in the polls. Kerry is the clear second choice followed closely by Edwards, Gephardt and Graham. The process of elimination over the next few months will be exciting to watch -- reality TV at its realest. But it will also interesting to see how the lively and embracive discussion of race and civil rights tones down once the democratic choice begins to debate George Bush.

About the Author: Tanu T. Henry is staff writer at Africana

homepage: homepage: http://www.africana.com/articles/byting/bw20030915dean.asp

Idiotic article 16.Sep.2003 15:58

Fred

"But both candidates (Kucinich & Braun) should save us some time, themselves some money, and the DNC some platform space and drop out. "

Or Dean should save us all from HIMSELF and drop out.

Screw any writer who makes blanket statements like this.

It's a right-wing comment akin to corporate media's - 'Only our people can run, yours can't. Oh, and BTW, we did the polling too, so we control who can and can't be a part of OUR game.'

Hardly a statement having anything to do with democracy, rather a statement exposing that the writer wants an NFL game, rather than to elect a person to represent the nation.

Racist comment 16.Sep.2003 16:02

Fred

One more thing . . .

"While Pelosi's concerns about the state of Israel are understandable, "

Wow, and this is from a publication called Africana??? Pelosi calls for outright bias against Palestinians - Arabs - by her rejection of anything 'evenhanded.' It's a racist statement in an apartheid situation.

How understandlable to a black person is that??

Out of Africa 16.Sep.2003 17:11

original man

Fred,
You seem to be hell-bent for Israeli blood, so quite naturally any stance less strident than yours will seem "evil" to you. I believe your world view is just too narrow to appreciate a diversity of opinion that is neither "black" nor "white".

You Said It, Fred! 16.Sep.2003 17:53

Fred Fan

What a spun out article. This is along the same vein as 'is Dean too left wing to be president?'

Is there any way that Bush can become president next year? It is hard to imagine that Bush will have any campaign platform to promote, other than the biggest smoke-and-mirror act ever seen. Other than a MASSIVE election fraud, or the orchestration of another "terrorist" attack, Chimpy has negligable chances of ever winning a presidential election against ANYBODY.

As far as Israel goes, the greatest enemy of the Israeli people is their own government. If I thought that the Israeli people on the whole, had the same demented views as their leaders, I wouldn't support one penny being spent to defend them. Targetted murders with no due process, a spanking new prison wall around a sovergn nation; Hitler would be envious of Sharon's tactics and support.

The Lukid are a gang of murderous thugs who are influencing US policies in extremely dangerous ways. To the Hague with them!

Hacks attack Dean 16.Sep.2003 18:15

Defeat BUSH

"Bush's best chance for re-election probably has
less to do with big-tent Republicanism than it
does with the dwarf toss under way in the
Democratic Party. Dean's ahead in the key states
of Iowa and New Hampshire, which means
someone will be dispatched to take him down
ASAP. As in 1988, when Gore was dispatched to
New York to waste Jesse Jackson (pictured then,
as Dean is today, as a demagogic populist), the
job falls to the tired nags in the stables of the
Democratic Leadership Council.

"The idea is pretty simple: Joe Lieberman takes
down Dean, thereby opening space for John
Edwards to march in. Edwards is and has always
been the DLC's sleeper candidate, the man who
can save the nation from the mad lefty freaks in
the Northeast.


original man 16.Sep.2003 18:28

Fred

Nice try. But you'll have to do better than this. Let's take this point by point.

"You seem to be hell-bent for Israeli blood,"

Really? So anyone supporting Palestinians wants 'Israeli blood'? Hardly. You're trying to say I'm supporting things which I do not.

I support the rights of the Palestinians as equal peoples with the Israelis. I've never said I support Hamas bombings of civilians. I do, however, support the right to armed resistance against a military by any peoples who are being occupied against their will. Hamas targets civilians. I do not support that and have never stated that I do. The US Congress, however, does not support equal rights. They support militarizing one side to the teeth. They've also helped to bring about a US veto of numerous resolutions in the UN which seek to even the scales, or even simply to investigate. Remember, no investigation of Jenin by the UN was even allowed by Israel and the US. Now Israel is calling for the MURDER of a head of state. And you're saying *I'm* out for blood? Please.


"so quite naturally any stance less strident than yours will seem "evil" to you."

Evil? Not a word I often use, nor did I use it here. You're sounding like a Zionist to me. Zionists often try to paint people as saying things that they didn't, as you are here.


"I believe your world view is just too narrow to appreciate a diversity of opinion that is neither "black" nor "white"."

Well, you got me there. I have no idea how this statement fits in with anything above. Feel free to elaborate on how my views are too narrow. I'm guessing you'll pull out some Zionist obfuscation arguments, if that's where you're coming from, but I'll wait and see what they actually are.

Not unelectable 16.Sep.2003 20:19

anonymous

I don't believe Black candidates are unelectable. The two running are unelectåble, but someone like Colin Powell has a chance.

It ain't easy for anyone to become president, less likely that an African American will do so, but... most people don't have a chance anyway, no matter what their race. Your best bet is to have a daddy who was president, and who has lots of friends with lots of money, who want more than anything else to keep that money, oh and take your money too.

Fred - other than Dean and Isreal, you don't write about much else 16.Sep.2003 22:05

original man

Fred's statments, rhetoric or fact?
----------------------------
"Dean's brother was probably CIA and was killed for it."
-- August 25, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

"WP is figuring out that Dean is to the right of Bush on some issues, and people need to realize the insanity of what he is proposing. Ten years of US and Israeli occupation and profit off the Iraqis and the Palestinians, and no doubt soon the Iranians and Syrians. Is THIS what Americans want? Even Bush isn't proposing this."
-- August 26, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270786.shtml

"Dean on the campaign trail - doctor of death, empire builder, AIPAC sell-out"
-- August 27, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

"How much would it cost me to pay for more guaranteed murders of brown people for oil, so I can be a Deanie?"
-- August 27, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270786.shtml

"Evil? Not a word I often use, nor did I use it here. You're sounding like a Zionist to me. Zionists often try to paint people as saying things that they didn't, as you are here."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml


Where does Fred stand in relation to Dean?
----------------------------
Fred: "I support the rights of the Palestinians as equal peoples with the Israelis. I've never said I support Hamas bombings of civilians. I do, however, support the right to armed resistance against a military by any peoples who are being occupied against their will. Hamas targets civilians."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml

Dean: "there is a war going on in the Middle East, and members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and therefore, it seems to me, that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make war."
Dean: "Of course, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and it must be defeated and its members defeated for seeking to thwart peace and to kill innocent men, women and children"
-- September 12 & 15, 2003 -  http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/september/0915_dean_palestinian_position.shtml


Fred: "The US Congress, however, does not support equal rights. They support militarizing one side to the teeth. They've also helped to bring about a US veto of numerous resolutions in the UN which seek to even the scales, or even simply to investigate. Remember, no investigation of Jenin by the UN was even allowed by Israel and the US. Now Israel is calling for the MURDER of a head of state. And you're saying *I'm* out for blood?"
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml

Dean: (from the Arab American Institute) "Last week, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean told supporters in New Mexico "it's not our [the United States] place to take sides" in the Palestinian and Israeli conflict. Since, Dean has been harshly criticized by two of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Responding to their criticism, Dean stated, "Israel has always been a longtime ally with a special relationship with the United States, but if we are going to bargain by being in the middle of the negotiations then we are going to have to take an evenhanded role."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://capwiz.com/arab/issues/alert/?alertid=3354636&type=CU


Fred: "Dean sees the Palestinians as 'terrorists,' not occupied resistors, and so a fundamantal flaw is exposed - Dean seems to have no idea of what happens when a country or a people is occupied and forced to take on the values of another culture ... What can we expect when Dean is clinging so blantantly and biasedly to the most right wing faction of the Middle East situation - BEFORE the elections have even happened"
-- August 23, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

Dean: (Dean has urged President George W. Bush to send former President Bill Clinton into the region to broker a peace between the two sides and has said that he holds the same position Clinton has concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.) "Instead of engaging in petty political gamesmanship, I call on Senators Lieberman and Kerry to lay out exactly how -- if they do not wish to play the role of honest broker at the negotiating table -- they could ever carry on the legacy of Bill Clinton and Yitzhak Rabin as peacemakers and to explain what they would do to recreate the hope and the promise of the peace process of ten years ago"
-- September 15, 2003 -  http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/september/0915_dean_palestinian_position.shtml

Vote Green 16.Sep.2003 22:14

Fred

"Edwards is and has always
been the DLC's sleeper candidate, the man who
can save the nation from the mad lefty freaks in
the Northeast."

This is sad - there's a lot more mad lefty freaks than those in the North-fing-east. The Villiage Voice can do better than that. Besides, all the freaky people make the beauty in the world. Corporate press and the DLC do not decide the fate of the world, unless we let them.

Fred, you need help 16.Sep.2003 22:32

original man

Fred, the Village Voice condemned the DLC for not accepting the "freaky" Northeasterners who are supporting Dean. The Village Voice then speculated that the "tired nags" of the DLC would find some way to rid themselves of Dean and his freaky supporters. But you tried to suggest that the it was Village Voice - a liberal New York paper that you described as "Corporate Press" - as the one who bad-mouthed the "freaks" and supported Edwards.

"As in 1988, when Gore was dispatched to New York to waste Jesse Jackson (pictured then, as Dean is today, as a demagogic populist), the job falls to the tired nags in the stables of the
Democratic Leadership Council. The idea is pretty simple: Joe Lieberman takes down Dean, thereby opening space for John Edwards to march in."

I thought you said only Zionists twist words around, but you do it too -- does that make you a Zionist?

Dean may not be the blackest.... 16.Sep.2003 23:56

Karl Rove

....but he certainly IS the WEAKEST!!!

Let's hear it for Democracy and to hell with oligopoly! 17.Sep.2003 02:20

Dance

It offends me that the author of this article writes about politics when he's apparently so ignorant about the presidential campaign process. (Either that, or, as Fred says, he's just biased and believes no one but his candidates should participate or be heard from.)

HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of hours of air time are spent over the course of a presidential campaign. MILLIONS of dollars are spent. The eventuality of this is NOT MERELY the election of a president and vice president for four years. Much of this money and verbage is focused on issues. At best, a campaign is an educational and conversational process among millions of Americans. While only one set of candidates ultimately win the power of the executive branch for 4 years, it's essential that all citizens and all viewpoints get a hearing in this process. That's where some semblance of democracy actually occurs. It's during the primary campaigns that we most get to influence what issues will be discussed in the campaign and what positions will be adopted as policies over the next 4 years.

What we DON'T NEED is all the time and money of a national campaign that lasts more than a year to be a forum only for the established voices speaking their narrow view of the status quo.

Broken Record 17.Sep.2003 02:43

I repeat

I know politics are like sports. Betting on your team is fun. Old habits die very slowly.

Remember the Diebold touchscreen voting scam?

Hate to spoil all the fun but we don't really have elections anymore, do we?

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270902.shtml
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271049.shtml
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271194.shtml
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271736.shtml

weren't they rigged last time? 17.Sep.2003 06:13

bushtille day

Broken Record: "Remember the Diebold touchscreen voting scam?

Hate to spoil all the fun but we don't really have elections anymore, do we?"

Weren't they rigged last time... ? And Bush barely won by a hair in spite of it... I don't think the wingnuts on the far right want even Bush anymore, he is all used up. He's not going to get away with the same stuff again I don't think, he may even have to spend the next four sitting there being quiet like he is now... or once he doesn't have to reckon with re-election, he may end his episode of being bored and having all America for his toy, by taking out half the world in a blaze of glory... one of the two... but wouldn't it be ironic if the far right used rigged elections to get rid of their disposable puppet Bush rather than have him in again now that he's heavily tarnished? I even think it's likely, the scheming responsible for the last several nightmarish years is older and bigger than Bush's pResidency.

Fred: "Is there any way that Bush can become president next year? It is hard to imagine that Bush will have any campaign platform to promote, other than the biggest smoke-and-mirror act ever seen."

Yeah, by the vote for "anyone but Bush" getting divided too thin between the kind of guy we really want (Kucinich) and a whole slug of clowns who never will be "man enough" to do America a favor and just step aside. Dean may not beat Bush (he sure can beat around the bush), but he might even end up helping pave the way for the Bush re-election... besides how much Dean has his own foot in his mouth, I don't even think I like him just for running at a time like this...

But dang... if Bush is disposable and aa lot of the shine is likely to wear off Dean before this is over... Kucinich could still win, and this is not counting that by the time the rest of the cardboard cut-outs all try to see who can make the biggest ass of themselves by trying to shamelessly homogenize themselves into one another just to try to snag a couple extra votes, Dennis may just start looking good to a lot more people...

I just don't get a lot of people in the meantime though... you'd think it is a freaking horserace... "I'm voting for the one who can win"... not a presidential race, where the more someone really tries to stand up for you, the more likely they are to need you to stand up for them...

American Democracy is a Fucking Lie to Begin With 17.Sep.2003 06:32

Fuck the Republicrats

You people still don't get it yet, do you?

It doesn't make a damn difference whom you support. Democrap or Republican. Lying Liberal or Con-men Conservatives.

America is not a democracy to begin with. America is bloody and ruthless Empire ruled by an Oligarchy with difference factions (Democrat vs. Republican, Liberal vs. Conservative). But through it all, they are all murderous scum. Every last one.

Fuck them all.

Original Man 17.Sep.2003 11:18

Fred

"Fred, the Village Voice condemned the DLC for not accepting the "freaky" Northeasterners who are supporting Dean. The Village Voice then speculated that the "tired nags" of the DLC would find some way to rid themselves of Dean and his freaky supporters. But you tried to suggest that the it was Village Voice - a liberal New York paper that you described as "Corporate Press" - as the one who bad-mouthed the "freaks" and supported Edwards."

I don't see the VV as corporate press and never said they were. They simply can do better writing than this. They have no need to protect the likes of Dean. My point about freaks was that there are many more than just in the Northeast. We're everywhere. Yes, the DLC will try to rid themselves of Dean. That doesn't make Dean someone we should support just because the DLC wants to get rid of him.

"I thought you said only Zionists twist words around, but you do it too -- does that make you a Zionist?"

I never said 'only Zionists twist words around.' You did. I say that Zionists often do try to twist words. They aren't the only ones. But show me some who do not. You pretty much *have to* in order to validate the postion that a religious state (interested in executing local leaders and following no international law policies) is somehow a legitimate Democracy.

yeah.... 17.Sep.2003 11:23

yeah guy

>they are all murderous scum

but they're *our* murderous scum.

So what? 17.Sep.2003 11:37

Fred

"Fred - other than Dean and Isreal, you don't write about much else"

So what? BFD. I also write a lot on the voting machine scam.

"Fred's statments, rhetoric or fact?"

Most likely, a little of both. No one speaks non-stop facts.

"Dean's brother was probably CIA and was killed for it."
-- August 25, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

Take a look at the article. It says that Dean's brother may have been CIA, but that the family doesn't know and the CIA won't say. This isn't rhetoric, it's observation - anyone who went to Laos in the 1970s and got killed there has something going on. You'd have to have been insane to go there at that time without any awareness of how dangerous it was. Even people I know in the 1980s had touble getting in and out.

"WP is figuring out that Dean is to the right of Bush on some issues, and people need to realize the insanity of what he is proposing. Ten years of US and Israeli occupation and profit off the Iraqis and the Palestinians, and no doubt soon the Iranians and Syrians. Is THIS what Americans want? Even Bush isn't proposing this."
-- August 26, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270786.shtml

Yes, and your point?

"Dean on the campaign trail - doctor of death, empire builder, AIPAC sell-out"
-- August 27, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

I'd say so myself.

"How much would it cost me to pay for more guaranteed murders of brown people for oil, so I can be a Deanie?"
-- August 27, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270786.shtml

Dean wants an Iraq occupation, hence, more and more murders.

"Evil? Not a word I often use, nor did I use it here. You're sounding like a Zionist to me. Zionists often try to paint people as saying things that they didn't, as you are here."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml

Yep, that does it.


"Where does Fred stand in relation to Dean?"

The real question is, where does Dean stand in relation to Dean (1 day ago)?
----------------------------
Fred: "I support the rights of the Palestinians as equal peoples with the Israelis. I've never said I support Hamas bombings of civilians. I do, however, support the right to armed resistance against a military by any peoples who are being occupied against their will. Hamas targets civilians."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml

Dean: "there is a war going on in the Middle East, and members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and therefore, it seems to me, that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make war."
Dean: "Of course, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and it must be defeated and its members defeated for seeking to thwart peace and to kill innocent men, women and children"
-- September 12 & 15, 2003 -  http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/september/0915_dean_palestinian_position.shtml

I never said Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are an extreme and violent faction of a people who are oppressed. They exist for a reason. Israel helped to create them. The real terrorists are Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Sharon, etc. I never said Hamas must be defeated. Hamas will fade out when the violence against the Palestinians ceases.

Fred: "The US Congress, however, does not support equal rights. They support militarizing one side to the teeth. They've also helped to bring about a US veto of numerous resolutions in the UN which seek to even the scales, or even simply to investigate. Remember, no investigation of Jenin by the UN was even allowed by Israel and the US. Now Israel is calling for the MURDER of a head of state. And you're saying *I'm* out for blood?"
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271938.shtml

Dean: (from the Arab American Institute) "Last week, former Vermont Governor Howard Dean told supporters in New Mexico "it's not our [the United States] place to take sides" in the Palestinian and Israeli conflict. Since, Dean has been harshly criticized by two of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Responding to their criticism, Dean stated, "Israel has always been a longtime ally with a special relationship with the United States, but if we are going to bargain by being in the middle of the negotiations then we are going to have to take an evenhanded role."
-- September 16, 2003 -  http://capwiz.com/arab/issues/alert/?alertid=3354636&type=CU

Then Dean backed down, asserted that he agreed with the 'special relationship' that the US has with Israel, and Pelosi sided with him. I have yet to see the letter. But the phrase 'special relationship' is key.

Fred: "Dean sees the Palestinians as 'terrorists,' not occupied resistors, and so a fundamantal flaw is exposed - Dean seems to have no idea of what happens when a country or a people is occupied and forced to take on the values of another culture ... What can we expect when Dean is clinging so blantantly and biasedly to the most right wing faction of the Middle East situation - BEFORE the elections have even happened"
-- August 23, 2003 -  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270574.shtml

Dean: (Dean has urged President George W. Bush to send former President Bill Clinton into the region to broker a peace between the two sides and has said that he holds the same position Clinton has concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.) "Instead of engaging in petty political gamesmanship, I call on Senators Lieberman and Kerry to lay out exactly how -- if they do not wish to play the role of honest broker at the negotiating table -- they could ever carry on the legacy of Bill Clinton and Yitzhak Rabin as peacemakers and to explain what they would do to recreate the hope and the promise of the peace process of ten years ago"
-- September 15, 2003 -  http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/september/0915_dean_palestinian_position.shtml

Dean's position changes from week to week. Here's his earlier statement:

". . . when it came to Israel and Palestine - the former Vermont governor declared that, while the United States should become more engaged, he did not have any fundamental objections with President George W. Bush's policies. Dean called for an end to Palestinian violence against Israeli civilians, but he did not call for a cessation of Israeli violence against Palestinian civilians. Similarly, there was no call for an end of the Israeli occupation, for Israeli compliance with UN Security Council resolutions, or a withdrawal from Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied territories or even a freeze on the construction of new settlements."

"When asked by the Jewish newspaper Forward late last year as to whether he supported APN's perspective, Governor Dean replied 'No, my view is closer to AIPAC's view.'"
 http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0226-04.htm

A Pragmatic Centrist attacked by Left and Right 17.Sep.2003 12:31

Don Hazen

A recent Zogby poll shows Dean has taken a commanding leading in the New Hampshire primary, where 38 percent support Dean, with Massachusetts Senator John Kerry next at 17 percent. Six months ago Kerry was beating Dean by a 26 to 13 percent margin. Dean's ahead of Gephardt in Iowa polls, provoking the other Democratic political candidates to criticize him at every turn, while members mainstream media, like Newsweek's Howard Fineman, seem desperate to slow him down.

Dean's rise from an obscure candidate from one of the nation's smallest states to Democratic frontrunner has not come without controversy over Dean's policies, ranging from health care to gun control to Israel. On the one hand, many progressives around the country have been particularly galled to hear the media and other politicos label Dean as a progressive when they see him as a pragmatic centrist. For them, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich is the real progressive in the race (although Al Sharpton's positions certainly would qualify him as well).

It is obvious, by many measures, that Dean fails most progressive litmus tests. Yet his supporters, many of them progressive, appear not to mind, since he appears willing to "talk truth to power" in key areas, particularly how Bush and Co. have lied to the country in providing reasons to invade Iraq. Ironically it appears to be a strategy of both the conservative Democratic Leadership Council and the Republicans to try to paint Dean as too left to be elected, apparently to slow him down or marginalize him, which makes the left indignant, since they don't see him that way.



Backhanded Compliment 17.Sep.2003 13:45

Burning Bush

The Age of Preemption
By Lowell Ponte
FrontPageMagazine.com - September 11, 2003

...No wonder Democratic strategists are in a near panic over the coming 2004 elections and the further erosion of power their party faces in every part of the Federal Government.

But instead of rushing back towards the American centrist mainstream, Democrats are continuing their suicidal march farther and farther to the loony Left. We can hear their candidates like Gov. Howard Dean and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D.-Ohio) chanting "Left...Left...Left foot...Left." In the distance we can see some of them already falling off the outer edge of the political spectrum, victims of their own ideological doppler Red Shift...


Where's Charlie when we need him? 17.Sep.2003 20:58

Fred

"...No wonder Democratic strategists are in a near panic over the coming 2004 elections"

Yes, if only Charlie Manson could be pardoned and actually released . . . he'd soar in the polls . . . the Democraps could latch on and be taken to the top . . .

Published September 15. 2003 5:48PM
Lawmakers unsure about plan to release prisoners
By BOB JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer
Legislators were cautious Monday when asked about Gov. Bob Riley's proposal to release an extra 5,000 to 6,000 nonviolent prisoners on parole as a way to cut spending and ease prison overcrowding. "It scares me to death," said Rep. Ken Guin, D-Carbon Hill, the majority leader in the House. "The justification is that they are all eligible for parole. So are Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan, but that doesn't mean I want them on the street."
 http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030915/APN/309150925&cachetime=5

He wouldn't be on the street, anyway, he'd be in office . . .now why doesn't this Democrap Rep see the value in Charlie Manson as a presidential candidate? Why? Because he isn't a STRATEGIST. He's only a pawn.

That's right, it's not like people simply vote for who they agree with on issues, it's which candidate the Democrap strategists can con everyone into believing is on their side. And Charlie Manson aside, no doubt *someone* will be lauching a terror attack before Nov 04 . . . or would it be too heavy handed to happen exactly on 9-11-04? And maybe even in NYC. Well whatever. The point is, deflect and control the masses of sheeple in as many ways as possible.

Republicon, Democrap . . . who cares! The real players, the real men, are the political STRATEGISTS! Pretty soon they'll be on the covers of all the glossy corporate press like Hollywood models and actors. I can't wait to see how they work, their style, their cons, their scheming, the backroom deals and the lies - any concern is easily deflected with a snort and a look of disdain, "All politics works this way, you have to lie and cheat, there's simply no other way" - and to just know that they are our men behind the curtain . . . We can only dream of what they'll come up with next . . . maybe Charlie, but maybe someone else. Kissinger? Oh, he's not born here.

hmmmm..... 17.Sep.2003 21:12

about-to-be-censored guy

i see someone hasn't been taking his meds.

Clearing the record 23.Sep.2003 19:58

Dahliamxpx dahliamxpx@yahoo.com

Just for the record, LaRouche has never run as a Libertarian...he's an FDR-style Democrat, with the only realistic solution to the economic crisis facing the world-and if you all want to run off on a tangent about Isreal, try bringing Israel and Palestine a stable economic infrastructure, and get the two twin fascists, Sharon and Cheney out of the way. Then see how much trouble there is...my guess-not much. Oh and by the way, before you all run your fingers to the keyboards to quote Chip Berlay, actually go to the trouble to go to the source. As much as I see those of you on this thread like to throw slanders of all sorts around, this time, actually go to the source. I know it sounds scary, but you might like what you read...
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