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LIE YOUR ASS OFF?

the truth may be over rated? the pacifist unweaves the lies of the establishment. once done, it wines loudly for a bit and seems content to forget the ramifications of its work and unweave and report another. this seems to go on and on. the truth seems to be a syndrome which imoblizes the anti -establisment. the lie give the establishment its stregnth.
the truth may be over rated?

the pacifist, for example points to the false premises of war. the anti-corporate corruption reporter may point out enron's bogus sceams. the need for public power verses private power. the establishment hands to the public a batch of lies that qualifies its behaviour, the anti-establishment unravals the lies and reports it. once done, it wines loudly for a bit and the public seems content to forget the ramifications of its work. the anti-establishment unweaves and reports another. this seems to go on and on. the truth seems to be a syndrome which immoblizes the anti -establisment. the lie give the establishment its stregnth.

in this manner the left is constantly on defense. if the best defense is offense, we better start lying. perhaps the truth is worth lying for. perhaps the lie is the only power establishment has been allowed to monopolize. it should be put on the defense, so it may be forced to seek the truth.

the unweaving of the lies seems just a progressive stick in the media game. reporting corruption, or unscientific choices of resourse consuption. progressives takes great pride in its notion of truth. perhaps a way to make a living, write a book, run your non-profit-impress your friends.

has the truth stopped a war, prevented genocide?

make a list of the biggest lies you have been told. were any from churh or state? what were there aims? have you seen media reports on lying british folk?
The Reason that the Lies Work-- 15.Sep.2003 22:40

is because of the Media.

Lies have always been told in varying quantities and degrees by powerful individuals or elite groups to mass populations.

the only thing that makes them WORK is the degree of control that the LIARS have over mass media--

and right now, in the United States, that degree of control is pretty damn huge . . . through corporate ownership, and sheer Orwellian repetition combined with bait-and-switch--

e.g. the Democrats suddenly declaring it unimportant that Bu$h used false intelligence information to start Gulf War II  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271888.shtml

(meanwhile the British and Australians still consider it important  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271898.shtml )

so the real problem is not the Lies persay,

but THE MEDIA.
33% of 'mercuns believe that WMDs have been ***FOUND*** in Iraq . . . ?!????
33% of 'mercuns believe that WMDs have been ***FOUND*** in Iraq . . . ?!????

please 15.Sep.2003 22:57

iggi

please, for the love of Dog, don't use all caps...there's a button on your keyboard that says "Caps Lock," please push it before you comment...

thanks in advance.

Lies? 16.Sep.2003 09:45

Chardman

I, like a lot of people, came to the depressing realization that as far as consensual reality is concerned, a lie isn't really a lie if enough people believe in it.
The controllers of reality think their also doing US a great service, as well as their masters, in simplifying the world for us. Otherwise we are just stumbling around in the dark.
Most folks would rather have their reality processed and chunked up into bite-sized chunks. No muss, no fuss. Not a speck of cereal.

The Question at Hand? 16.Sep.2003 13:07

dude

what lies are liable and which are not? Whom and to what can the vial of lies can be poured upon?
What is the civil/criminal line?

don't tempt me, Frodo! 17.Sep.2003 09:47

understand, Frodo...

"WE BETTER START LYING. PERHAPS THE TRUTH IS WORTH LYING FOR"

I would use the Lie out of a desire to do Good... but through me, it would wield a power too slimy and Republican to imagine...

to be a ring bearer is to be alone.. 17.Sep.2003 12:37

dude

to be a ring bearer is to be alone...now to choose the best leagal path with the time at hand.