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does anyone else want to publicly protest the RIAA

im seriously fed up with the RIAA's abuse of copyright laws. Copyrights are there for the CREATOR of the idea/art not the MANAGEMENT and bullshit bourgouise infrastructure that uses archaic (formats and forms of media) to distriubute said art/idea/product. (the current system (/CD's/ physical recordings put out by a label)gives too much power to the industry, whereas the internet gives all (or as close to all as possible) of the power to the individual).
The RIAA has no case, and neither do record stores. So your sales are dropping? maybe its because your music sucks, and theres very little diversity... maybe its cause your prices are too high, or maybe we've reached a new age in communication? First were stone tablets, then paper, wax, vinal, plastic, and now... no physical representation. The recording industry only exists/ed because muscicians needed a way to transmit their music to the masses, and the only way to do this was by recording it onto a medium, and then selling copies of said recording, the RIAA defends the infrastructure that upholds this system (they are also the people that PROFIT in this situation), and now this system is obsolete.... so it looks like the RIAA and their thousands of employees will have to turn their focus somewhere else if they want to keep their livelyhoods, because they really cant fight internet downloading. I mean, sometimes industries just collapse, its like how the train industry wains in comparisson to the airoplane industry... its basically the exact same situation. Its made it possible for muscicians and artists ( and entertainers of all kinds) to skip the middle man, they can put their expression right there and people can pay them directly... We're reaching an age where the music people enjoy will have nothing to do with what a certain industry wants (and hopefully not as much on profit). As it stands right now, the recording industry has to produce acts, so that they will stay on top, instead of letting real people with real expression get their word out.

I seriously doubt that filesharing is the ONLY reason that the "industry" is faltering, i would also attribute it to the rise of indy music (which was most likely aided by the internet), and also the fact that (music and expression) in the mainstream constantly get censored and restricted (leaving only a few points of view to be heard), also the absurdly high prices that the record companies have been able to charge (as they have had a monopoly on the music market).

so what im saying is: fuck the RIAA, i know this isnt really many peoples main priority, but i think it is an important issue. It's all about artistic rights, its all about the freedom of the people being trodden on by the ruling rich....

so for all you people that care about this issue, dont you agree that some form of action would be good?..

im thinking like a dance party.. just because i really really want to do a dance party protest, just pull out a bunch of dumpster/pail instruments and crazy it down, burn some RIAA posters or something... just have a rawkus wild time? all im saying... is have a rowdy dance party in the streets of portland..

tom knowles

and for all those people that question the effectiveness of a dance party... what does a generic protest do? very few take them seriously anymore, and they just scare the meek into voting for safety instead of freedom... im not against regular protests... but i think a dance party would be a good change of pace... or.. OR.. a puppet show that went from corner to corner.. like with a stand that people could pick up and move.. hmmm...

email me if you care..
Boycott? 10.Sep.2003 12:36

think about it before you react

What about calling for a boycott for say 6 months, directly hitting the music industry where it hurts? This is all about greed and if somehow people would stop buying CD music, it would bring the industry to its knees. The hard part is organizing such an effort......................

i'm down 10.Sep.2003 13:27


they stole 2,000 dollars from a 12 year old yesterday. i think public protests would be good, a boycott of all the media companies the RIAA represents and promoting peer to peer networks would all help. also boycotting Comcast and other internet providers who allow the RIAA to spy on people's hard drives is in order. does anyone want to start organizing something?

RIAA stands for...? 10.Sep.2003 13:54


please include one parenthetical that tells us not "in the know" what the RIAA is (or at lest what the letters stand for) im guessing... "recording industry asshole association"??

recording industry association of amurika 10.Sep.2003 15:17


or something like that. they are the lobbying group for all the giant media corporations

gee, acronym-impaired 10.Sep.2003 16:44


When I go to riaa.com I find at the top of the browser "Recording Industry Association of America" and there is an "About Us" link on the page that tells you all about them. Supposing they didn't have a Web page, it is still a simple matter to use Google to search for info. Are you the same poster that complains for every unexplained term or acronym that it should be broken down for people who aren't keeping up on the issues?

That rant said, I'm be thrilled to do something creative opposing the RIAA, but the most effective thing that could be done would be for people simply to not buy from the major labels. Of course, people in general are sheep and they'll just buy buy buy without any thought of what their money is supporting, so how exactly would we reach them to cause a change in music buying habits? That's what I would like to know.

Oregonian 9 / 10 op / ed by Dave Allen 10.Sep.2003 22:18


Music industry moguls have only selves to blame for sagging sales

Dave Allen - 09/10/03

Unless I am mistaken, Mike Francis' Sept. 5 op-ed piece ("Holding out against the forces of music piracy") walks a fine line between what I suspect is irony and satire.

Mike's need to be pure about the music he consumes is a real need felt by millions of people globally. For many millions of computer users spanning all demographics, the downloading of music has become a way of life. The daily admonishments that pour out of the music industry's PR departments and the hundreds of subpoenas arriving in Internet service providers' mailboxes will not help stem the flow of illegal file sharing. The music industry lost the PR battle years ago when it first slapped a lawsuit on Napster.

Here's why the industry is in its precarious position:

1. It's the Internet, stupid! Music industry executives saw the deluge arriving in 1997 but did nothing to stem the tide. Instead of proactively embracing the Internet as a golden marketing opportunity, they did nothing. When they finally realized that millions of shiny discs full of ones and zeros were sitting around in homes just waiting to be copied, they decided that litigation was the best means of defense.

2. Music catalog licensing. When approached by EMusic.com, Listen.com and other legal music downloading companies that wanted to negotiate licenses for the rights to their music catalogs, the music industry executives stonewalled and in some instances refused to take meetings with them. These legitimate companies found themselves in the ridiculous position of winning licensing contracts with, say, Sony or EMI Records but being unable to win agreements with the other three major labels. As general manager of EMusic.com in 1999, I found this activity by the labels to be the single most frustrating part of my job. Even when I joined Intel in late 2000, the landscape had not changed; it was still extremely difficult to talk to the labels about licensing their catalogs.

3. The customer is always right. How many companies in the world today find it prudent to sue their own customers? Music lovers have spoken and they clearly desire the ability to be able to buy and download music. And they want access to all of the music -- not just the 250,000 songs that are available now. They want a simple-to-use, cross-platform downloading service that allows them to purchase all songs by every single artist.

Much has been made of the launch of Apple's iTunes downloading program, which allows you to purchase tracks for 99 cents each or an album for around $9.99. Unfortunately, a cutting-edge company with good marketing does not hide the simple fact that not all the music that music lovers such as Mike Francis want to buy is available. The iTunes service is scratching the surface but is hailed as a triumph by the labels. They trumpeted the fact that more than a million songs were sold in the first week, but I would love to see what those weekly figures look like today. I would be happy to be proven wrong, but after the initial excitement -- if my own experience with iTunes is any barometer -- I suspect that sales have dropped off.

It is also a dubious argument that file-sharing hurts CD sales. Common wisdom suggests that when music lovers are exposed to different kinds of music that they enjoy, they will then purchase a CD. And, of course, file-sharing exposes people to many different kinds of music. Until the music industry understands that their business is shrinking for many different reasons, one being the dull homogeneity of broadcast radio, then they will continue to see their business suffer.

As for Mike and his need to be pure about his music consumption, there is a way. Many artists make MP3s freely available online on Web sites such as mine ( http://www.oebase.com), so Mike, feel free to check them out.

And as a professional musician with a deep catalog of music still in the hands of the major labels, I feel that I can say with confidence that it is the music industry itself, especially here in North America, that is destroying the music industry. Dave Allen is president of Overland Entertainment, a division of Overland Agency Inc. in Portland.

flyer for the riaa 11.Sep.2003 01:42

pirate press

please print and distribute, and correct if necessary. also, if someone could write something for the back, that would be cool too.

Boycott air 11.Sep.2003 10:42


Was having this very conversation with a friend the other day.
It's easy for guys like me to boycott the record industry; I don't generally like what they're pimping and I buy most of my stuff used anyway.
The real trick would be getting people who indiscriminatly gobble up whatever is extruded out of the Mega-Media sphincter to realise they are getting ripped off by the massive mark-up and predatory marketing practices of these weasels.
Bottom line: album sales are down because the economy is on the skids. The recording industry could cut album prices much more than they say they are going to and still make a profit.
And the ironic thing is that these assholes go after poor people who can't afford any legal recourse.
A boycott is definitely in order.
But where some people are concerned, you might as well ask them to consider boycotting air.