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Protest Anti-Semitic Wingnut David Icke in Seattle Saturday

The anti-Semitic wingnut David Icke is speaking, trying to recruit people to his paranoid fantasies about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that were the explanatory basis for the Holocaust.
The anti-Semitic wingnut David Icke is speaking, trying to recruit people to his paranoid fantasies about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that were the explanatory basis for the Holocaust.



The anti-Semitic wingnut David Icke is speaking, trying to recruit people to his paranoid fantasies about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that were the explanatory basis for the Holocaust.


Protest Anti-Semitic Hatemonger David Icke  

START DATE: 9/6/2003
START TIME: 10:00 AM
DURATION: 10 hours
LOCATION: Seattle  
LOCATION DETAILS:
Seattle Town Hall1119 8th Ave (at Seneca)    
TOPIC: Politics 
TYPE: Protest/Rally 
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the following antisemitc drivel is from  http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/ultimatelabel.html

"Ernst counselled me to be careful saying: "Tom, you are writing
about the usurious money system which reaps the Financial
Elite multiple millions annually. What you are writing about is
even more sacred than the "holocaust" so be very careful "

"In the "Leaflet handed out by British Greens at Icke's seminars"
which is published by the "Green Party Anti-Racist and
Anti-Fascist Network" it is written: {Almost all of his examples of
the Global Elite - such as Marx, Trotsky, Kissinger and the
Rothschilds (from Icke's book And the Truth Shall Set You Free
pp.40-43, 175-177, 242-244, etc.) are Jewish people.} In fact,
David Icke identifies many non-Jewish people who are working
to implement the secret agenda of the Global Elite. As the
information comes his way the list of Global Elites grows. Any
observer might notice that a disproportionate number of names
of these Global Elites - relative to the Jewish population of the
world - can be traced to bloodlines of Jewish descent.

You are absolutely correct 01.Sep.2003 15:52

^^

You are absolutely correct that this guy should be protested, but don't expect a lot of people from indymedia to show up. Statements routinely appear here blaming the "Zionists" for every possible ill.

Best of luck though!

The protocals are meaningless, Zionists are still murderous thieves 01.Sep.2003 18:30

TheTroll

I have never seen posts here blaming Zionists for every possable ill. There are posts that rightly blame Zionists for the ills that the Zionist's murderous thieving crusade has caused for the palestinians. IF there are people who blame Zionists for every possible ill, don't confuse them with those who are just pointing out the very real destruction of the palestinian's lives and lifes for the Zionist's bloodstained profit.

careful, dear troll 01.Sep.2003 19:05

Foghorn

Zionism is not "one" thing, it is very diverse and there are many different versions of it, so be careful how you use the term - if you read Noam Chomsky's biography it talks about how his family were Socialist Zionists who opposed the creation of Israel and wanted it to stay called Palestine and to be secular and open to both cultures - now that doesn't sound like the Zionists you are talking about does it? Well if not then do a little more research because not all "Zionists" support the treatment of Palestinians in this way nor do they all support Israel as a religious state (which I might remind you was created that way largely because of the United States and the UK who didn't want too many Jews immigrating over here to these bastions of Christendom!)

Zionism opposes authentic Judaism 01.Sep.2003 20:04

GRINGO STARS

Zionists are not Jews, even though they falsely claim to be. Zionists give Jews a bad name worldwide, with their racial supremecism and their genocide against Arabs in Israel. Zionists give lie to anti-semitism everywhere, inspiring every mouth-breathing neo-Nazi by acting the villains.


"The entire existence of the tumei regime [the Zionist "State"] is in opposition to our holy Torah in a manner that has not been precedent... and anyone who possesses even a thought that there is necessity for [the existence of] their "State", this constitutes acquiescence to idol worship without a doubt... and there is no doubt in my mind that we would already be in the period after the Messiah's arrival if not for this tzureh [Zionism] prevalent in the world."
-- Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum

"The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism."
-- Rabbi V. Soloveichik

"Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel, and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel."
-- Rabbi S.D. Schneerson

"[The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means"
-- Rabbi S. R. Hirsch


So are these Rabbis Jew-Haters too?
They are strongly against Zionism.

There are many organisations of Jews against Zionism. To list just a few:

JEWS NOT ZIONISTS
 http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

JEWS UNITED AGAINST ZIONISM
 http://www.natureikarta.org/

JEWS AGAINST ZIONISM
 http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

RABBIS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS
 http://www.rhr.israel.net/overview.shtml

And besides these groups, there are well over a hundred JEWISH groups for a free Palestine. Links found at:
 http://www.eccmei.net/~eccmei/j/orgs.html

Gringo Stars - Zionism is NOT One Thing, It is MANY Things 01.Sep.2003 21:54

Noam

There are many kinds of Zionism, not all of which advocate the occupation of Palestinian territories - see the post above about the socialist Zionism of Chomsky's family for more on that - this is one of the problems with the anti-Zionist rhetoric is that it plays right into the hands of these anti-Semites and their fucked up "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", we have to find a different language for talking about this, maybe just say what you mean, that you oppose Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories or something.

I am quoting orthodox rabbis and grand rabbis... 01.Sep.2003 22:45

GRINGO STARS

...are you saying that they are ignorant of the term "Zionism?"

The Socialist Zionists thought they could build a Socialist society, but failed partially because it was done on stolen land from Arabs of all economic classes. Zionists are pro-Israel, a land which was stolen in its entirety from the Palestinian natives. Socialist Zionists are also pro-Israel. Israel used terror to drive away hundreds of thousands of natives in 1947-8. That was wrong, just as the USA was wrong in their systematic slaughter and terrorisation of Native Americans. Like the USA, Israel was established only after a severe thinning of the native population.

The Mirriam-Webster online dictionary defines ZIONISM as:
"an international movement orig. for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel"

Mind you, this was establishing Israel in the middle of an already very populous land. Israel WAS a Palestinian territory before it was stolen in order to found Israel. Of course, the dmage is done - the Arabs have been killed, maimed and terrorised into giving up their land to the Israelis. That can't be changed now. But these "kinder, gentler" Zionists you refer to are attempting to be sweet and understanding while standing on the bodies of Arabs. israel always was established as a Jewish-ONLY homeland, and the ethnic violence is a direct consequence of that. It is impossible to seperate the ethnic violence that established Israel, and continues to inflict itself upon native Arabs - and Zionism. They are intertwined still.

Have you read anything by this guy? 01.Sep.2003 23:52

Some "Young" Guy

You don't know anything about this guy do you? He is not anti-Semitic. Go to his website and find me some anti-Semitism. Better yet, find me some hate. Over and over again the only plan of action he advocates is Love. He has some far-out ideas about who's really running the show involving aliens from a perpendicular (not parallel mind you) universe that feed on fear and hate. He lays out some very detailed conspiracies but in the end all you've 'learned' is that you will not succeed if you use their methods against them. Now I'm sure plenty of readers on this board will disagree with the guy based on his passive (if changing your world from the inside doesn't qualify as active - but then... what to change? I'm perfect the way I am, right? I can't be any better.) teachings but is that worth protesting? Do you feel threatened by him?
So, is he an anti-Semite for saying, "I strongly believe that a Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of the Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and financed Hitler to power in 1933...." (pp.124-125) In the Robot's Rebellion, David Icke writes: " ...the Rockefeller and Rothschild empires will feature in the story from now on, but I want to stress most emphatically that I will be highlighting certain people and the way in which the empires have been used. I do not wish to suggest that everyone called Rockefeller or Rothschild is involved. Most of them will not know what is going on either..(page 153)?" Is the anti-Semitic part the part where he says that the mass of the Jewish people are not to blame. That they are being manipulated by their leaders? That doesn't happen anywhere does it? Never happens in America. Or is it the suggestion that a Jew could do something bad? Is any ethnic group incapable of doing wrong? Is it anti-Semitic for him to suggest that not all Rockefellers and Rothschilds are involved in these conspiracies?
Is he an anti-Semite because he's been accused of being one and some people felt the need to defend his right to say what he wants? Is Noam Chomsky anti-Semitic for defending a holocaust denier's right to his beliefs? Oops, can of worms.
I also think you're deluding yourself if you think that the label Anti-Semite isn't being thrown around more and more frequently to defame and discredit those who don't agree with the Israeli (not to mention our own) Government's policies.

rezults 02.Sep.2003 07:57

TheTroll

Would Bonny and Clyde, or John Dillinger rather have just stolen money and not kill people for it, like Noam and his folks would rather just steal Palestine rather than get the bad public relations from murdering for the land?

Is It Possible to Think Three-Dimensionally? 02.Sep.2003 11:12

3

Is it possible to oppose both the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and anti-Semites like David Icke who promote tripe like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that were the basis of the Holocaust? I think that it is but I find it disturbing that no one else seems to recognize this, no one else even mentions it, instead you say things like "the protocols are meaningless, the zionists are nazis" which almost seems like you are brushing away the issue that is really at hand here, which is that this guy is trying to whip up an anti-Semitic frenzy and we need to stop him; the two issues do not cancel each other out, they are both to be opposed by every self-respecting activist.

ADL needs to spend money to protect the Jewish people, not plutocrats. 02.Sep.2003 11:52

Dr. Winston O'Boogie

I agree with Some Young Guy's comments. I've actually read a couple of his books and was flabergasted when I watched a program on public TV of these misguided "progressives" who followed him around trying to censor him and defame him for anti-semetic reasons. These guys must think the Jewish people don't have very many problems in the world when they follow around a New Age writer whose book sales aren't ever going to get him main stream and bears no ill will toward Judism or Jews in general. You could make an argument that pointing out a few Jewish plutocrats (along with many many more non-Jewish ones) who may or may not have been involved with some New World Order consipiracies is anti-semetic. But I think that is garbage. The guy takes time to say that the ADL is after him, and express love and solidarity with the Jewish people. He says a few of them are among the bad guys, particularly the Rothschilds (whose financial web the ADL is dependant on), but actually takes the time to say that he thinks these very few people (a few Jewish and many many more non-Jewish) have manipulated Jews, Christians (he suggests Jesus never existed and the new testament was written by Romans in the 2nd or 3rd centuries), and everyone else in an attempt to control the have nots on behalf of the haves. The very fact that so much money is being spent to misguide young well-intentioned "activist" want to be's is in itself suspicious. Is the guy a nut case? You can make that argument fairly easily, although his research is impressive and documented maticulously. I hope he's nuts, and gravitate toward that, but if something he argues in his books sounds crazy, he makes it easy for you by siting his sources and building impressive factual arguments to support his sometimes unbelievable conclusions. People who say he's anti-semetic are wasting time on him when there are numerous anti-semetic elements throughout our federal government (do a little research on where the Bush family fortune comes from). Just because a few plutocrats who happen to be Jewish are threatened by his research and possibly crazy conclusions, doesn't mean that young people wanting to defend a fragile faith from enemies should conform to that. To the misguided well-doers, I say defend the Jewish middle class and poor people instead of the Rothschilds and plutocrats who don't need defending weather this guy is crazy or not.

Smash Nazi Sympathizer David Icke 02.Sep.2003 15:11

Antifa

David Icke is a neofascist Nazi sympathizer who is closely associated with Ernst Zundel and others and should be vehemently opposed by all serious antifascists, just as we also oppose Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands - same struggle, same fight!

Prove it 02.Sep.2003 15:24

Some "Young" Guy

A lot of allegations of anti-Semitism. No one following that up with anything resembling proof. Like the Dr. said, Rothschild and Rockefeller happen to be Jewish but that's not the problem with them. The description "wingnut" may be apt but Anti-Semite just won't hold up to scrutiny. Protesting someone that preaches love is definitely a waste of time. If I didn't have a prior engagement and if I could afford the ticket price I'd be going to his talk so I could see him in person and gain some insight into his views. Protesting a free thinker like Icke who is opposed to fascism in all forms doesn't do anything for the anti-fascist cause.

fuck off nazi 02.Sep.2003 17:32

Hilo

Here are two quotes from his site that "prove it" but it should be obvious to anyone with a brain, considering that he associates with people like Ernst Zundel and embraces the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which is a Nazi forgery.

"Ernst counselled me to be careful saying: "Tom, you are writing
about the usurious money system which reaps the Financial
Elite multiple millions annually. What you are writing about is
even more sacred than the "holocaust" so be very careful "

"In the "Leaflet handed out by British Greens at Icke's seminars"
which is published by the "Green Party Anti-Racist and
Anti-Fascist Network" it is written: {Almost all of his examples of
the Global Elite - such as Marx, Trotsky, Kissinger and the
Rothschilds (from Icke's book And the Truth Shall Set You Free
pp.40-43, 175-177, 242-244, etc.) are Jewish people.} In fact,
David Icke identifies many non-Jewish people who are working
to implement the secret agenda of the Global Elite. As the
information comes his way the list of Global Elites grows. Any
observer might notice that a disproportionate number of names
of these Global Elites - relative to the Jewish population of the
world - can be traced to bloodlines of Jewish descent.

Fuck off Nazi? 02.Sep.2003 18:58

Some "Young" Guy

Those quotes don't tell me anything about his being a Nazi. You haven't read the books. Are you pissed that Marx, Trotsky, Kissinger and the Rothschilds can be blamed for crimes against humanity? Is it their Jewishness that's the problem? No. You're the one bringing up their Jewishness. I suppose that since they're Jewish they're really nice people. Please, take some of the Jews he's pointed out and tell me how great they are. Tell me the non-Jews that he's left out or put on a pedestal. Is it the British Greens' pamphlet that claims that there is a disproportionate number of Jews named relative to the global Jewish population or is that another voice? The quote is confusing but in any case it sounds to me like whoever's calling attention to this are the ones demonizing Jews. Icke draws attention to the Anti Defamation League but read what he has to say about them before you decide that he's anti-Semitic.
Just because a deluded fellow who denies the holocaust warns Icke that he's saying things that will make him a target for censorship and worse doesn't make him the same as that fellow. By this quote we should assume that they are "associates"? Are they best friends? As I asked before, is Chomsky a Nazi because he has defended a holocaust denier's right to his beliefs, even if they're untrue?
If you read Icke's books you'll find that he targets just about everyone in positions of power. He really doesn't give a shit what race or religion they're in. He also tells people that hating anyone is a dead end. You, by telling me or anyone else to "fuck off", are hate mongering. Go ahead and protest him. It'll make you feel better and won't really register with Icke. He actually believes that we create our own realities. I can't say I'm immune from the disabling emotion of hate but this guy is trying to make a difference and I personally think he's got (some) good ideas.

Antifa 03.Sep.2003 00:02

Antifa

Say whatever you want, try to skirt around the bloody fucking obvious, but you cannot deny that he embraces the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which is Nazi hate literature and that he argues that there is a Jewish conspiracy to control the world because that is exactly what he says, follow the link at the top of the page and see for yourself. Every self respecting antifascist opposes David Icke, it is not a controversial subject so stop trolling you prick.

A little article.. 20.Sep.2003 18:42

JK

"I hear some people say that the global conspiracy is simply a Jewish plot against the world. I say those people are profoundly wrong in this view. The mass of the Jewish people are pawns in the global game, just like the mass of the Islamic people, those of Asia and China, the so-called "West", and every other region of this planet.

What we need to understand - and urgently - is that the Illuminati place their operatives in positions of power over all countries, cultures, and faiths and these heirachies manipulate them to a common end. It is on the leadership of these peoples that we need to focus and not condemn an entire population for the actions and attitudes of the few at the top, who are placed there to work to a common end.

It's not "the Jews" anymore than it's "the Americans" or "the British" or "the Muslims". It's the network that manipulates and divides and rules all peoples and just as Jewish people were grotesquely exploited by the Illuminati in Nazi Germany, so they will be again in the current stage of the global agenda.

We need to seek common cause between all exploited and manipulated peoples, of whatever faith or genetic origin. All shall be free or none shall be free. It is time to wake up and grow up - fast.

- David Icke

What Forgery? 29.Jan.2004 23:39

The Uncultured Bacterium

It's usually said the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" was a forgery by the Czarist Secret Police (The Okhrana), commissioned to discredit the large number of Jews engaged in Bolshevism. Unfortunately, there's not a shred of proof of that. 16.5% of the "Protocols" are obvious plagerisms from Maurice Joly's "Dialouge in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" (1864), but that doesn't prove Okhrana involvement. The "Protocols" appeared in Russia as a newspaper serial in 1903, but were never published as a book until the 1920's, (Odd - if it was supposed to be disinformation, why not publish it worldwide?) which is when they became known in the west. A Swiss court ruled they were a forgery in the 1920's, but didn't say who forged them, and the ruling was thrown out on appeal. Some articles appeared in British newspapers in the 1920's with the Okhrana story, but offered no proof. So how is it that the "Protocols" are either forged or fraudulent? The fact of the matter is that nobody has ever proven from whither they came. Does anybody know of any scholarly and credible source (not the usual Zionist propaganda sources) that proves one way or the other whether (1) The Okhrana story is true? (2) That perhaps Joly wrote them (3) Some unknown hand wrote them inspired by Joly's story or (4) - they're true?