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Beware of FReepers

Creepy "FReepers" Target Activists
Disturbing The Peace: Creepy "FReepers" Target Activists
by Michael Niman
 http://www.corporations-suck.com/CKs/Niman/DisturbingThePeace.shtml

The Cayuga Coalition for Peace meeting had just gotten under way at an Auburn, New York church earlier this month when a tall stocky smile-less middle-aged man quietly entered the building. Refusing to join the meeting at a large table in the center of the room, he instead settled into a chair off to the side, took out a pad, and began scribbling notes. Coalition members would later learn he was labeling them as "commy#1" [sic.], "commy#2" [sic.] and so on, recording everything they said and did. They found his notes on the web.

Auburn New York is a small post-industrial city nestled in the heart of New York's Finger Lakes region. It is home to New York's oldest continually operating prison, a maximum security facility that has anchored the city's economy since 1816. A Wal-Mart now thrives just east of a downtown littered with empty buildings. There are a few well paying industrial and prison jobs left in town, but most new jobs are in the low wage service sector. Like many upstate New York cities, Auburn now seems mired in an air of depression.

Beneath the surface, however, lies a colorful history. Auburn once served as a major station on the underground railroad, and was home to Harriet Tubman. In the late 1700s, General Sullivan's army swept through the area in a genocidal wave, wiping out entire Cayuga villages. In the 1800s, the region hosted a plethora of utopian communities. In the early 1900s, the women's suffrage movement took root in neighboring Seneca Falls. America's largest Women's Peace Encampment was there in the 1980s across the road from a now defunct Army base. Given its history of genocide, war, peace, promise, dreams and disappointment, it should come as no surprise that this decaying backwater would now host a thriving and growing peace movement -- one that recently brought an anti-war resolution to the city government and the county legislature.

And it should also come as no surprise that this peace movement would wind up in the crosshairs of a new pro-war movement intent on frightening, harassing and disrupting grassroots anti-war activism.

The stalker eavesdropping on the Cayuga Coalition for Peace turned out to be a postal worker from nearby Port Byron. Within moments he managed to adequately disrupt the coalition's meeting, making himself the center of attention as a mix of angry and frightened attendees debated about how to handle the interloper. Lost was any discussion of the impending war and the upcoming votes on the pending anti-war resolutions.

With the minister asking him to leave the church, the mailman opted to use an old anti-war protest tactic, committing civil disobedience by refusing to move. He later described the coalition members and minister as "godless heathens," who by opposing the war had declared "treason," thus forfeiting all of their property rights. The minister called the police and the meeting ended in chaos -- reconvening later in a private home.

The mailman turned out to be part of a national movement associated with the Fresno, California based "Free Republic" organization. Free Republic, with chapters scattered around the United States, operates primarily as a clearinghouse for individuals involved in protests and direct action against the anti-war, feminist, gay rights, pro-choice and environmental movements. They call these actions, "FReeps," and their targets, "America-hating leftist weasels."

The vast majority of actions in their current campaign, "Operation Infinite FReep," are peaceful protests by citizens exercising their constitutional rights -- usually in the form of small counter-demonstrations at peace rallies. In this sense, the organization and its FReepers represent a rather benign part of this nation's political tapestry. Americans have a right to protest, no matter how repugnant their particular cause.

The Port Byron mailman, however, represents the dark dirty underbelly of the FReeping movement -- a movement dedicated not to the free expression of ideas, but to harassing others who are trying to exercise their constitutional rights. These are the creepy FReepers, and they might be coming to a church basement near you.

After leaving the Auburn meeting, the FReeper rushed home to post a report of his escapades on the Free Republic site. His post was detailed, with various quotes attributed to characters such as "Mr. Peace Minister," "commy [sic.] woman #5," and a police officer he identified as his "1st cousin," who thought he was "acting strange."

The post kicked off a lively on-line discussion, with FReepers from around the US chiming in to congratulate their new comrade on a successful FReep, and to offer ideas for future actions against the Auburn activists, such as using a hidden tape recorder instead of a note pad, and bringing reinforcements before encountering the "godless [church] commies" again.

The obsessive use of the term, "commie," and various related misspellings, is about as accurate as the term "godless," which FReepers repeatedly use to describe clergy and church-based activists who disagree with their views. To the FReepers, anyone opposed to George W. Bush's policies, whether they are Democrats, Conservatives, Greens or Republicans, is a "commie." Hence,the word takes on a new meaning -- having nothing to do with Karl Marx or any related economic theory. It represents, instead, a rather Neanderthal political theory, probably inspired by Bush's "you are either with us or with the terrorists" line. In this case, the Auburn FReeper writes, "Let everyone in our nation stand and be counted. American or communists. No gray areas, no compromise." Such is the depth of political discourse in the "Free Republic."

The blanket use of labels and identifiers such as "commy # 3" to identify human beings serves another purpose -- one more ominous than the simple debasing of political discourse. It strips people of their humanity, reducing them to faceless objects or infidels, thus making it easier to dismiss their ideas and to allow violence to be committed against them. This is an aspect of the same murderous fundamentalism that fueled the terrorist attacks against our nation.

In this light, much of what the Auburn FReeper and his comrades wrote in the hours and days after the Cayuga Peace Coalition meeting is quite disturbing. Egged on by fellow FReepers, the Auburn FReeper posted a late night statement reading, "It is time for confrontation. Treason cannot go unchallenged." Confusing the Cayuga peace activists for the mostly Saudi 9-11 hijackers, he wrote, "They fired the first shot. We will fire the last." Six minutes later he felt compelled to add another post, writing, "Read my previous. I am serious not a nut [sic.]."

Whether he is seriously not a nut, or not a serious nut, or whatever he is trying to say, once thing is certain -- the Auburn FReeper is not an anomaly in the Free Republic organization. The website is moderated, yet his posts remain on line. And with the exception of one conservative constitutionalist who he dismissed as a "commy" [sic.], none of his correspondents challenged his hate-filled and possibly homicidal bile.

Another thread targeted the Women in Black -- the international movement of silent women's protests against war and human rights violations. There, amidst a plethora of misogynist comments, such as, "Those women disgust me," and "I hate their hairy legs," were a few strategies for confronting the non-violent vigils, such as attacking them with giant red, white and blue painted rubber penises. In another thread, a poster suggested riling Kent State anti-war demonstrators with signs reading, "The national guard needs to improve its marksmanship." In yet another thread, a FReeper posted a bizarre poem, writing that "twisted Lib'rals [sic.] must be smacked," while terming ex-President Bill Clinton and sidekick Al Gore as "Commie-Pinko sons of bitches" and "treas'nous [sic.] wretches" who would, "Feel my wrath." FReeper commentary such as this is normal fare while high school students are detained for wearing "Stop Bush" shirts.

Moderators at Free Republic seem to be defining a carefully crafted political discourse. Anti-black racism is more or less a taboo, as are anti-Jewish remarks, but the site is awash in anti-Arab commentary, such as the boast of a flag vendor who refused to sell American flags to Arab-American children, instead chiding them not to "grow up to be suicide bombers."

While the individual FReepers may not be a sophisticated bunch, the Free Republic moderators seem quite adept at what they do. They're careful not to alienate potential support among non-Arab minorities while using anti-Arab hysteria to whip up frenzied opposition to an amorphous movement of "commies." It's the precision of the FReeping message that is particularly alarming, as the organization seems to be coalescing a movement of brown shirts, much like Manuel Noriega's "Dignity Battalions," to whip George Bush's opposition into line -- in the same way El Salvador and Guatemala's death squads effectively stifled popular political opposition in those countries for years. Threats of violence among FReepers are also not a problem -- as long as they serve to keep the riff raff in line. Hence, it shouldn't come as any surprise that peace activists featured on the FReeping site have later been the victims of death threats.

In this light, the Auburn FReeper's online boasts, where he places himself in a National Guard Armory and a VA office, working with on-duty personnel drumming up support for political initiatives to oppose anti-war resolutions, is particularly alarming. He combines contacts with mainstream government officials and representatives from political parties, with a darker terror-based strategy. The Auburn FReeper is not a lone anti-social stalker, but part of a growing national movement -- one that hopes to threaten and stifle the political discourse that is a democracy's life blood.

Fascist Pig, George Bullock, is a FReeper. 30.Aug.2003 05:12

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For more on his criminal activities, see this link:
 http://www.stop-fascism.org/george_bullock.htm


Call these Freepers out for what they are... 30.Aug.2003 05:47

anti-Freeper

American Nazis in everything but name. Confront them with this fact. Tell it to their faces if they start spewing their vitirol.

freepers stay home and wave flags 31.Aug.2003 08:50

Fred

While the real soldiers are overseas being killed.

While freepers are busy attacking peace activists, the real soldiers are being picked off one by one.

Are any freepers supporting the families who want their children brought home?

freepers take pleasure in the deaths of others as long as they're safe at home waving their flag, or disrupting people they know won't hurt them.

Freepers are creepy 31.Aug.2003 14:37

Freepwatch

The website www.Freerepublic.com is the largest and busiest political forum in the world. If you doubt the effectivness of the efforts of the operators of this site, compare how much traffic left wing sites get compared to Freerepublic. This site has been one of the main organizing tools of the GOP party and the extreme right wing movement. It is not to be taken lightly.

The owner of the site, Jim Robinson, is anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-environment, anti-peace and justice, and anti-human rights. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THIS WEBSITE. Activists should make every effort to disrupt activitys on WWW.Freerepublic.com. Register an account there and disrupt until your account is banned. If a few thousand activists did this repeatedly it could make a serious difference in the ability of the GOP party to organize for the 2004 election. Show no mercy.

Freepwatch will be posting information about an upcoming Freeper gathering on the west coast soon. We are encouraging activists who cannot make the WTO protests in Cancun to attend the Freeper gathering and disrupt activitys.

I'm a freeper 01.Sep.2003 17:37

az joe

You seem so afraid of facism which killed between 10-15 million human beings.

How about communism.? It killed over 100 million humans in the last century.

Where is your big protest about that?

I am a veteran and have a degree in political science. It seems to me that you attack the dignity of human beings by calling them names like Nazis and Facists.

How bout trying me out? You will leave with your Leftist tails between your legs.

I believe that most Leftist males are pretty effeminate.

This site violates the law 01.Sep.2003 17:46

az joe

By advocating and assisting others to disrupt the FREE REPUBLIC website, this site is opening itself up to a lawsuit and perhaps criminal charges being brought against it and the operators.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Just a friendly litle warning.

I'm a freeper 01.Sep.2003 18:02

Zionist

Long Live Israel

Heyyyy Freepwatch 01.Sep.2003 18:35

TheSpottedOwl

You sound a little bitter. What's the matter? The groups you hang out with don't throw awesome bbq's like we do?

If we're anti-anything, it's about bloated government trying to stick it to EVERYONE. If you're a taxpayer, they're sticking it to you too. We have a diverse range of opinions among our membership regarding a full spectrum of issues facing America today.

The article that I am responding to is full of outright lies and factual errors. Get your head together.

TheSpottedOwl....Freeping since 2002 (lurking since 1998)

Ps:Have a nice day :)

Another FReeper checking in 01.Sep.2003 19:17

Ronin

Free Republic is not only the biggest and most powerful Internet-based conservative movement in the world, it is also one of (if not) the oldest. This means that we have long ago learned how to counter every possible trick and disguise you "progressive" disruptors come up with using humor and intelligence.

By all means, come to our picnic and visit our forum. If you come and wish to debate intelligently, you will be welcome. If you come intending to disrupt or cause controversy, expect to be countered with the same tools you bring.

We are not only forewarned, we are definitely ready.

Go FR! 01.Sep.2003 19:35

William Creel williamc14@yahoo.com

Go Free Republic, and the commie pigs can bite my @$$!:) Wish I could have attended some of these FReepings.

We FReeped the pants off of Gray Davis 01.Sep.2003 20:00

TheSpottedOwl

William, you should try and attend one sometime. I've only been able to attend a few, but it's well worth it :)

FReepers rock!!!!!

Freepers commenting 01.Sep.2003 20:42

Zotted

There is a thread already on FreeRepublic about the counter-protest and here's an example their violent, menacing behavior. It's a comment by Grand Wizard Jim Robinson: It's their solution to every problem, if you don't get your way beat them up.



To: Bob J

Might think about hard ball this year. Bring your own bat.


115 posted on 09/01/2003 4:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)

Freepin' In Seattle 01.Sep.2003 21:29

SandyInSeattle

Come on, folks, lighten up. If you spend any time at all on our site you will realize that 99% of the comments about this article were made in a lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek manner. We would love for you to join us in debate, but nobody is going to take a baseball bat to you (unless you attack first, of course... the right of self defense and all that.) Seriously, jump on in! The water's fine and we don't bite. The Viking Kitties do, but we only let them out when the situation (or the troll) calls for it.

Pure BS 01.Sep.2003 22:20

Gitmo for Freepers

Sandy you know the chance of any discussion on that forum that involves any progressive viewpoints is 0%. Many attempts have been made to discuss issues with your network of houligans at various protests and it invariably ends in threats from your "activists". Freeper is just another word for violent, close-minded thugs. Your hateful views of gays, immigrants, liberals and anarchists is not excusable. Hence your rally will not go unopposed.

Actually.... 01.Sep.2003 23:20

Blue Scourge

Actually, in my year and a half a www.freerepublic.com I have seen quite a few debates on issues that you might have a stance on. Just don't go in there with a "I'm gonna show them" attitude and you won't get in trouble. Be respectful and what not, the same rule applies to anyone else engaged in a logical debate.

Scourge 01.Sep.2003 23:36

Why bother?

No Scourge any discussion of political ideals counter to the stated goals of Jim Robinson's site are forbidden there. You know that. Maybe the moderators of Freerepublic should have thought about the results of years of insulting social change activists before they encouraged members vilinanizing anti-war activists and anyone with differing opinions. The truth is out there........you people encourage violence, including your leader.

FReepwatch is great - keep it up! 02.Sep.2003 10:43

Concerned American

I am a member of Free Republic. I joined because I felt they needed help.

If you read Free Republic you will realise that the levels of hate, racism, bigotry, aggression and just plain stupidity that appear on there are quite staggering, and clearly un-American. They don't represent the America I live in, and believe in.

We need to fight this stuff. And the best way to fight it is by challenging the "mob-mentality" of this website. Build up a consensus on the site that hate, racism, bigotry and aggression have no place in debate in America. Argue with them - dispassionately, reasonably, but firmly - and then argue with them again, and again, and again.

This is one wing of the fight against the right-wing lies that fill the press and tv. We must stand up against this and reclaim America as the country of real liberty, respect and freedom. Not the anti-America of oppression, hate and bitterness.

Please join Free Republic and help me win this battle.

Oh please.... 02.Sep.2003 12:50

Real Concerned American

"I am a member of Free Republic. I joined because I felt they needed help. "

What's your FR screen name?

"If you read Free Republic you will realise that the levels of hate, racism, bigotry, aggression and just plain stupidity that appear on there are quite staggering,"

Lie. You mean the level of opposing opinions that you liberals dont like are quite staggering. There is no racism or bigotry allowed at FR, no one speaks it, last I heard, "aggression" is not a crimem and the only "stupidity' that eminates from that site are from liberals like you.

If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn't their arguments be easy to deconstruct? Someone who is making a point out of anger, ideology, inflexibility, or resentment would presumably construct a flimsy argument. So why can't the argument itself be dismembered rather than the speaker's personal style or hidden motives? Why the evasions?" -- Ann Coulter, P. 10

"If liberals were prevented from ever again calling Republicans dumb, they would be robbed of half their arguments. To be sure, they would still have "racist," "fascist," "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced arguments in the quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple them." -- Ann Coulter, P. 121

"This is how six-year-olds argue: They call everything "stupid." The left's primary argument is the angry reaction of a helpless child deprived of the ability to mount logical counterarguments. Someday we will turn to the New York Times editorial page and find the Newspaper of Record denouncing President Bush for being a 'penis-head.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 121

"'Stupid' means one thing: "threatening to the interests of the Democratic Party." The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be." -- Ann Coulter, P. 125

"and clearly un-American."

Hatred and bigotry are indeed unamerican.

"They don't represent the America I live in, and believe in. "

No they dont. They represent and believe in the America where freedom rules.

"We need to fight this stuff. And the best way to fight it is by challenging the "mob-mentality" of this website."

Define "mob mentality"

"Build up a consensus on the site that hate, racism, bigotry and aggression have no place in debate in America."

See? Who are you to decide what goes in a DEBATE? A Debate is a first amendment insittution. You dont get to decide what others choose to speak in a debate. Secondly, we do not use racism, bigotry, in a debate (define "aggression"). I suppose its ok to be aggressie in a debate only when the liberal is being aggressive.

"Argue with them - dispassionately, reasonably, but firmly - and then argue with them again, and again, and again."

Bring it on. All liberals are welcome. You'll only lose the debate. I've seen liberals try and try again, only to leave with their tails between their legs.

"This is one wing of the fight against the right-wing lies that fill the press and tv. We must stand up against this and reclaim America as the country of real liberty, respect and freedom. Not the anti-America of oppression, hate and bitterness."

This from within the looking glass.


I don't bother 02.Sep.2003 17:23

used to be a dem

Maybe the reason people don't care for debate is because they've spent several decades observing libralism in progress. I've heard the mantra "we need more spending" only to see education, welfare and the government beauracracy it has spawned eat the working class out of their livelyhoods. I've heard the racebaiters blame whitey for all the problems of minorities, but the welfare system itself is keeping them in public assistance slavery. Don't come to my picnic expecting to debat my views.

To Real Concerned American 02.Sep.2003 18:22

harmony

"There is no racism or bigotry allowed at FR, no one speaks it, ..."

 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947468/posts
Posts # 7 16 17 20 28 42 70 72 76 81 83 84 89

"Hatred and bigotry are indeed unamerican. "

I'm glad we agree on that.

PS to Real Concerned American 02.Sep.2003 18:34

harmony

I just realised that there is potential for a bit of confusion in what I just posted. I am *not* the original poster, Concerned American, with whom you were discussing.

I do, however, also frequent FreeRepublic.

How Can You Label Me? 02.Sep.2003 20:19

SandyInSeattle

I'm always intrigued when people presume to tell me what I know and don't know. I frequent Free Republic every day and it is generally not a hateful forum. Sure we have our kooks, but doesn't every website? You want to see hate, go over to DU. The level of angry, vicious, profane spitefulness over there absolutely boggles my mind. It's impossible to have a civil discourse without being called names and labeled as being fill-in-the-blank-phobic (although they don't know me or know anything about me) if I so much as disagree with what is being said.

But you have your opinion of us, and it's likely not going to change. I feel sorry for you guys, I really do. I'm not being a smartass here, I mean it. It must be difficult to go through life being so angry all the time.

Tolerance on FreeRepublic 02.Sep.2003 20:30

Don't believe a word they say

These people saying anyone with opposing viewpoints can discuss issues with Freepers is hogwash. Anyone who expresses any differing outlooks will quickly have their account banned. The guy who runs Freerepublic runs this cesspool of hate as a for-profit business. He runs online fundraisers and keeps a goodly portion of the money himself. Another thing is the guy used to be a democrat until he decided he was a Republican. I have also heard the GOP party funds Freerepublic so they can further the goals of the party.

Lies, and the lying liars that tell them 02.Sep.2003 23:48

Concerned American

Real Concerned American said "Lie. You mean the level of opposing opinions that you liberals dont like are quite staggering. There is no racism or bigotry allowed at FR, no one speaks it"

My point was not a lie. I have set out below a pretty random selection of bigoted, racist (and frankly, stupid) posts from FreeRepublic in just the last 4 days. It took me about 5 minutes, scouring the site at random to come up with these - I assure you, there are many, many more.

The right-wingers have got into the habit of accusing the left-wing of lying whilst shamelessly peddling untruths themselves. This is where it should stop. Whenever one of these people lies it diminishes our democracy, and it degrades the privilges we all have with our right to Freedom of Speech.

Real Concerned America is a liar. FreeRepublic contains many lying liars like him. We need to make it impossible for these people to operate by exposing their untruths EVERY TIME they spout them. Otherwise they stand as fact, and that's hurting our nation.

A SELECTION OF RACIST AND/ OR BIGOTED POSTS FROM FREEREPUBLIC 8/29/03 thru 9/2/03

"Islam is bigoted and a dork religion. They want to fight the world, and the world should kick their moronic butts at every turn."
"There is a silver lining in all this. If (when) we drop a couple of nucs on Mecca and Medina, we won't be killing any Infidels!"
"France's First Muslim High School Opens : Classes start with Bombmaking 101, The Infidel and You: There's Only Room For One of Us, Disguising Yourself As a Jew and Allah's Other Dirty Tricks, How to Manipulate the U.S. State Department, and more!"
"India has been in battle with thw mass murdering evil islamofascists for 55 years. The only good muslim....."
"I would be heartened if some British civilians turned vigilante, and started painfully disappearing a few of their vocal resident musli scum."
"Of course, I wonder if I would care if they were disposed without gving any information. No, I consider them in the same category as roaches."
"Glad the Muslims are such peacefull and loving people /sarcasm"
"Mr. Mohammed, the son of former Nation of Islam icon Elijah Muhammad, said Sunday during the group's annual convention in Chicago that he was stepping down to work on improving the negative image of Islam in the United States.
I'm no expert, but a mass suicide pact might be the way to go on this one... :)"
"Islam is a highly resistant Meme/ mental virus."
"The French with few exceptions, tossed their Jews into the Nazi death camps to get along. Now they're tossing themselves into an Islamic state in a few decades to get along."
"Squeeling swines and pigs. Oh, they'll eat alive a screaming newborn, but tug them with a stick and they will grunt and squeel like they're being murdered."

CONCERNED AMERICAN IS NOT 03.Sep.2003 09:05

AZ JOE

CONCERNED AMERICAN, you gotta be kidding.

You actually support Islamofacists like Saddam and Bin Laden? If we say that every Islamofacist should be killed we're being racist? You need to check yourself dude.

Whose side are you on anyway? Not America's, that's for sure.

FR 03.Sep.2003 09:50

kimmie7

Might think about hard ball this year. Bring your own bat.

You failed to mention that JimRob was responding to someone's question about the ANNUAL SOFTBALL GAME. And, in the interest of being "open minded" perhaps you should have.


Lies, lies,lies 03.Sep.2003 17:51

Read it in context lying Sandy

That's BS......He was encouraging violence openly on-line and this has been read by many. If there is violence he will be responsible.

not concerned 03.Sep.2003 23:24

unconcerned

There is no racism or bigotry allowed at FR, no one speaks it, ..."

 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947468/posts
Posts # 7 16 17 20 28 42 70 72 76 81 83 84 89


I've read those posts, and I cant find anything bigoted or racist. It just goes to show how overly sensitive one is. Lets face it, liberalism hurls worse epithets at the Christian religion, yet no one calls them bigoted for doing so. If that sort of behavior isnt bigoted, then neither is what you cited. BTW: Islam is a religion, not a race. Speaking out against Islam, may be many things, but it isnt racist by definition.


"My point was not a lie. I have set out below a pretty random selection of bigoted, racist (and frankly, stupid) posts from FreeRepublic in just the last 4 days. It took me about 5 minutes, scouring the site at random to come up with these - I assure you, there are many, many more. "

I see not a single racist post, and bigoted? Nope. It's just a classic example of language you dont like, and labeling it as bigoted.

"The right-wingers have got into the habit of accusing the left-wing of lying whilst shamelessly peddling untruths themselves."

Pot. Kettle. Black.

" This is where it should stop. Whenever one of these people lies it diminishes our democracy, and it degrades the privilges we all have with our right to Freedom of Speech. "


Do you even read what you write? "degrades the privilges we all have with our right to Freedom of Speech. " Excuse me, but freedom of speech is a RIGHT, not a priviledge. And granted, the right may not be perfect, but apparently you spend more time being concerned about their "lies" than those uttered by the left. Yes, as hard as it may be for you to believe, those on your side of hte political aisle, lies. And you dont seem so concerned when they do it. Judging by your words, you dont seek the same truthful standards within your own ranks. Physician, heal thyself.

"Real Concerned America is a liar."

No he;s not. You're a liar for calling him/her a liar.

"FreeRepublic contains many lying liars like him. We need to make it impossible for these people to operate by exposing their untruths EVERY TIME they spout them. Otherwise they stand as fact, and that's hurting our nation. "

A movement, a website (such as Freerepublic), cannot stay for long, or could not become the biggest website on the net if it was based on a bunch of lies. Go head. Try to "Expose" all the "untruths" of theirs all you want. You'll get nowhere because labeling their opinions as untruths just doesnt cut it.

BTW: What is your FR screen name as was asked before, or were you lying about that?


"Read it in context lying Sandy


"That's BS......He was encouraging violence openly on-line and this has been read by many."

Yes, it was read by many. The problem is that your mind is so twisted into seeing violent encouragement where there are none.


Here it is in context:

To: Jim Robinson

I agree Jim, there hasn't been a response to his post yet. However, I would minimize the talk about guns and instead concentrate on our annual softball game.


111 posted on 09/01/2003 4:42 PM PDT by Bob J


To: Bob J

Might think about hard ball this year. Bring your own bat.


115 posted on 09/01/2003 4:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

What part about "annual softball game" didnt you understand?


"If there is violence he will be responsible. "

Translation: If the leftists shows up and commits violence, the freerepublic crowd will be blamed for it even they did nothing to deserve it.

some responses 04.Sep.2003 00:22

free from the republic

"You actually support Islamofacists like Saddam and Bin Laden"
Last I checked Hussein was a moderate Muslim, which was why he and Bin Laden hated each other. Not to mention, if you're looking for those that support Hussein and Bin Laden you need to look no farther than the US government of the past 30 years. The US helped Hussein gain power, and maintain it for 30 years. And the current administration is still doing business with the Bin Laden's who are still doing business with Osama. But hey, huge defense spending increases mean big bucks for those invested heavily in defense like the Bushes, the Bin Ladens, and most of the US and Saudi top ranking government officials.

"Speaking out against Islam, may be many things, but it isnt racist by definition"
Well, it depends on whether the person speaking out makes no distinction between Arabs and Muslims. Most of the freepers I've encountered do not make such a distinction, and hence, are racist.

"A movement, a website (such as Freerepublic), cannot stay for long, or could not become the biggest website on the net if it was based on a bunch of lies"
Sure it can; it just has to be based on a bunch of lies that people want to believe, like those that make them feel better about themselves.
Just read up on the Nazi Brownshirts and read Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism.

"those on your side of hte political aisle"
You're creating a false dichotomy where none exists. Do you actually believe this artificial garbage about "left" and "right"? Libertarians are "right" because they want less government but anarchists are "left" because they want no government? This dichotomy is completely useless to any real discussion of issues. It's utter nonsense. People's beliefs are much more complex than a linear model can allow for. I'm willing to bet that is true for people who visit freerepublic as it is for people who visit indymedia. But it does serve a role to make people feel opposed to others, and while some people prefer that vision of the world, others reject it.

Re: Lies, lies, lies 04.Sep.2003 18:58

SandyInSeattle

Quote from you: "Read it in context lying Sandy"

Forgive me if I sound dense, but I want to clarify. Are you calling me a liar?

Calling a liar a liar 04.Sep.2003 21:35

Disgusted by Neo-Cons

Yes you got that right Sandy-you were called a liar for even trying to claim Jim Robinson, owner/operator of Freerepublic, was not trying to whip up violent sentiments with his comments. All the related comments were also doing the same. Not one person called for no violence. You know and we know two that the people who frequent that website have violent tendencys. Clearly Robinson was encouraging violent behavior, to claim otherwise shows you to be an idiot.

Another Freeper gathering 04.Sep.2003 23:09

Zinger

There is another Freeper gathering happening: This one is closer for Seattle/PDX activists to attend.



Washington FReeper PICNIC! If you live in Western Washington or will be on the coast, the Puget Sound Chapter of FRee Republic will be having our FReeper Family Fun Picnic on Saterday September 20th

Saturday - September 20, 2003
Sunnyside Park in Steilacoom, WA
11:00 am until we want to leave ;)
Bring meat to BBQ
Bring cutlery, napkins, drinks
Bring a side dish to share (appetizer, salad, or dessert)

Thanks for Proving My Point! 05.Sep.2003 18:06

SandyInSeattle

Thanks, folks, for the clarification. I expressed my belief, you called me a liar, there you are. You proved better than I could that personal attack is the only response you have to someone disagreeing with you.

My work here is done. Back to FR... ta ta!

Lil freepers 08.Sep.2003 09:30

Peshoo

haha, check these freepers out

what a coincidence (not!) that the largest conservative site on the web is run by a known con artist, RimJob.

To unconcerned 10.Sep.2003 20:07

harmony

harmony said:
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947468/posts
Posts # 7 16 17 20 28 42 70 72 76 81 83 84 89

unconcerned said:
"I've read those posts, and I cant find anything bigoted or racist."

That, Unconcerned, is more disturbing than the existence of the posts themselves.

Here's some more for you:
 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/979945/posts?page=4
Pick any post, pretty much.

unconcerned said: "It just goes to show how overly sensitive one is."

Racism, intolerance, and cultural/religious ignorance, are responsible for more suffering and death than any other force for evil. Behind just about any war and bloodshed, these three motivators can be found. Given their capacity, I don't think it's possible to overreact to them, especially when citizens of the most powerful military on the face of the Earth are touting them so brazenly, and accepting them in their midst so complacently.

unconcerned said: "Lets face it, liberalism hurls worse epithets at the Christian religion, yet no one calls them bigoted for doing so."

That no one pulls up anti-Christian sentiment up is a false premise, and
you know it ...

unconcerned said: "If that sort of behavior isnt bigoted, then neither is what you cited."

... and so it follows that the above is utter nonsense.

unconcerned said: "Islam is a religion, not a race. Speaking out against Islam, may be many things, but it isnt racist by definition."

You are quibbling. That's irritating. However, I'll indulge you and ask, of these `many things' that are not racism, how many of them are `unAmerican'? How many of these are you proud to have on the FreeRepublic site, as a fellow FreePers?

I don't think that you can deny that you have your `kooks', as SandyInSeattle put it. What disturbs me is that they flourish unchecked, and that people like you can't identify them for the kooks that they obviously are. What is disturbing is that you'll no doubt reply to defend them, to implicitly condone them, rather than condemn them. Is that behaviour indicative of FreeRepublic, and the conservative movement in general? That's the real question.

Finally, for your collective amusement, I'll leave you with my personal favourite post, #83:

"I have to admit that my scanty research on Islam is comprised of watching TV for 12 hours on 9-11-01."

From a freeper: PLEASE SHOW UP 11.Sep.2003 12:07

RepWV

Please show up at any of our events. We own and carry lots of guns. If you fuck with us, we will fuck with you.

You have been warned.

Amazed at their site 10.Aug.2004 10:07

Adam Daniel

Hello

I am a conservative, a REAL conservative. The kind that used to be common prior to the takeover of the GOP by the religous right and the 'dittohead'ization of the right by the various disingenous talking heads.

I made one post to FR debating the accuracy of the swift boat vets and had my account pulled. One post......

sorry but any organization that prevents the debate of current events does nobody a service.

Man I wish McCain had won that primary.

I just wanted to share my experience of FR - they in my limited experience dont want any form of debate unless it is of the 'yes you are so right' variety.

Its conservatives like that (not that they are) that give conservatives like me a bad name.