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I'm Ready to Leave, Please Buy Me My Ticket

Put up, or shut up.
During the March 20 protest we heard the fascist exlaiming, "If you don't like this country why don't you leave?". Now we are hearing the same thing again. Back then I made an offer and no one took it seriously, but I'll try again. Yes I do think this country is an imperialist hell hole, and as long as I'm here I will work to bring it down. So you tell me to leave, well have you seen how much a plane ticket cost these days! I can't afford that shit! So if your so dammn patriotic and want me out of the country, buy me a friggin ticket! I'm not joking, put your money where your mouth is, and don't make it for Canada that country is just a mild version of the U.S. . I am fully open to getting a ticket out this place before it gets bombed again. Last time I tried this the leftist thought I was troll making fun of them, so I gave up, this is not the case. I would praise God everyday for the chance to leave this nation and you "patriots" could get rid of one more "punk commie", can't you spare the few thou for that?
nations I would most like to defect to:
North Korea (You'll have to buy the ticket to China and give me the money to buy one for Korea after that, as travel from the U.S. to North Korea is illegal.)
Cuba (again you would have to buy a ticket to Canada, and one to Cuba from there since it is illegal to go straight from the U.S.)
Libya (I'm not sure what the travel restrictions are on that country, but we can work it out.)
Anywhere else, except Canada or Mexico (I'm not picky I'll take a ticket to just about anywhere else)
No 22.Aug.2003 16:30

maxomai

See, we need your slave labor *here* to help keep the corporate mill going. Now be a good consumer and go buy a Corporate Approved Punk Rock Album from Hot Topic. That will assuage your rebellious streak.

get a job 22.Aug.2003 17:12

fed up

If you hate this country so much and wanna get out, why don't you get a job save up your pennies and go? You can get one way to London for like about 450 dollars. Put aside all the money you spend on going out and drinking or whatever you do, and save up!

I'm not happy with what has happened to this country, but if you have lost all hope and really believe there is a perfect place out there that will give you EVERYTHING you've ever wanted, more power to you.

question for 'fed up' 22.Aug.2003 18:07

if so, why?

do YOU have a job? you don't sound happy, or nice.

450 to London? 22.Aug.2003 18:59

Protester

$450 one way to London? Moving is quite the expense...afraid you have to pay a lot more than just the ticket for yourself. Furniture, pets, etc etc...

Republicans Don't Need Your Ass 22.Aug.2003 19:09

Mike

Please go, and we can replace you with an illegal alien who won't make trouble and will work more hours for less pay and no benefits. Thanks but no thanks-and we aren't going to have no 'GUEST WORKER' permits-that would kill the market for cheap illegal labor.

What an idiot! 22.Aug.2003 20:26

nauseated

Travis, you have clearly never seen any of these places you are so eager to move to. You think it is bad here? OMG have you got a surprise waiting! You need to move out of your soft little comfort zone. Do you still live at home with mommie and daddie? Do I detect a little teenage acne ridden rebellion here?

Not Exactly 22.Aug.2003 22:18

Travis

I haven't lived with my parents for 5 years, and I haven't had acne in six , and I still want my ticket. thanx for asking though.

First things first, Travis 22.Aug.2003 22:27

Oz

You missed a step in your haste to leave the US...renunciation of you US citizenship. After all, we sure as hell don't want you coming back. Here's the relevant information, when you complete the process, then we will talk about that ticket.

Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship

A. THE IMMIGRATION & NATIONALITY ACT

Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) is the section of law that governs the ability of a United States citizen to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship. That section of law provides for the loss of nationality by voluntarily performing the following act with the intent to relinquish his or her U.S. nationality:

"(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State" (emphasis added).

B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of section 349(a)(5), Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

C. REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

In the recent case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State, 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (1998), plaintiff was a United States citizen and resident of Puerto Rico, who executed an oath of renunciation before a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon's petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because the plaintiff wanted to retain one of the primary benefits of U.S. citizenship while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen. The Court described the plaintiff as a person, "claiming to renounce all rights and privileges of United States citizenship, [while] Plaintiff wants to continue to exercise one of the fundamental rights of citizenship, namely to travel freely throughout the world and when he wants to, return and reside in the United States." See also Jose Fufi Santori v. United States of America, 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 16299 (1994) for a similar case.

A person who wants to renounce U.S. citizenship cannot decide to retain some of the privileges of citizenship, as this would be logically inconsistent with the concept of citizenship. Thus, such a person can be said to lack a full understanding of renouncing citizenship and/or lack the necessary intent to renounce citizenship, and the Department of State will not approve a loss of citizenship in such instances.

D. DUAL NATIONALITY / STATELESSNESS

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if they were not stateless, they would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). If found ineligible for a visa or the VWPP to come to the U.S., a renunciant, under certain circumstances, could be permanently barred from entering the United States. Nonetheless, renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual back to the United States in some non-citizen status.

E. TAX & MILITARY OBLIGATIONS /NO ESCAPE FROM PROSECUTION

Also, persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should also be aware that the fact that a person has renounced U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations (contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information). In addition, the act of renouncing U.S. citizenship will not allow persons to avoid possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or escape the repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age fourteen under which a child's understanding must be established by substantial evidence.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA, and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before taking this serious and irrevocable action. If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please contact the Director, Office of Policy Review & Interagency Liaison, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520.

so does that mean 22.Aug.2003 22:42

another interested party

Does that mean your willing to buy the ticket Oz? While I'm sure travis would have no problem renouncing his citizenship, I am also quite sure he is not stupid enough to do it until after he has left the country. And if you're buying tickets I know other people who would be interested. And they'd all happily renounce their citizenship once they were safely out of the country. How about it, put your money where your mouth is?

The second he shows proof... 22.Aug.2003 23:02

Oz

The second he can show me proof the oath has been taken and accepted by the State Department and BCIS, I'll arrange a ticket to whereever he wants to go. I have some friends in the Marshal service and BCIS that I bet could arrange a seat on the next deportation flight to his country of choice. That way he could make some friends, er I mean comrades, before he arrives in his new home.
He can apply for asylum in the country of his choice before he takes the oath, once accepted submit the request to swear out the oath to renounce his citizenship and be merrily on his way to a socialist paradise within a few weeks.

As far as doing it after he has left the country, that would be something of a non sequitur, don't you think?

hey ozzie 23.Aug.2003 08:41

mike

shut th fuck up and just buy the ticket

O.K. Great 23.Aug.2003 12:00

Travis travisdandy2000@yahoo.com

Ah, finaly a taker! Of course I'll renounce my citizenship before I go, I've always wondered how to go about doing that, thanks for the great info! I'll get right on it for sure. Please send me your e-mail, oz so I can keep you updated and you can get ready to send that ticket. I knew this would work someday.

GREAT! 23.Aug.2003 15:45

Travis travisdandy@yahoo.com

Ah, finaly a taker. I'll be happy to renounce my citezenship before I go. I've always wondered how to go about doing that, thanx for the great info. Send me your e-mail so I can keep you updated on my progress, and you can get ready to buy the ticket. I knew this would work oneday.

It's a rigged game. Take another look 23.Aug.2003 17:06

open mind

Re-read this section very carefully:

"D. DUAL NATIONALITY / STATELESSNESS

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if they were not stateless, they would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). If found ineligible for a visa or the VWPP to come to the U.S., a could be permanently barred from entering the United States. Nonetheless, renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual back to the United States in some non-citizen status. "

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What this REALLY means is, unless you are accepted by another country as a lawful permanent resident or citizen, you are a stateless individual. That means you have NO RIGHTS anywhere and are, essentially, a prisoner of your country of origin.

Even if you have no intention of returning to the United States, if a country decides to deport you for whatever reason, you will become stateless. They will deport you to the United States because it is your country of origin, and then the U.S. will stick your ass on G U A N T A N A MO, or one of the other many prison labor camps we taxpayers are subsidizing in the United States.

Unfortunately, the only places in the world that probably won't put you back into the clutches of the U.S. are communist states or so-called "rogue" nations such as Cuba and N. Korea, and if the U.S. ever decides to invade them, ex-pats like you will be the first they come looking for.

That's why the fascists love telling you to leave because they know that most people don't have a clue what moving to another country entails and that all U.S.-friendly, capitalist nations make it especially hard for American citizens to become citizens and are more than willing to extradite you back to the U.S. You have more of a chance to become a citizen of another country if you are a poor and desparate refugee from a poor country than a U.S. citizen. Facists know you will most likely end up back in the hands of the U.S. unless you marry a citizen of your chosen country and stay married to them for several years or more OR if you're independently wealthy with huge assets and can support yourself without employment there. But most people who are angry and want to leave on a whim like that are less likely to have their asses covered like that.

Trust me, if there really was an open door policy and all Americans could move freely and become a citizen of ANY country they pleased, the United States would look like East Berlin with a big wall w/ barbed wire surrounding it. But with all these rigged laws, they can keep up the illusion of having freedom of mobility for all Americans. See? They gotcha comin' and goin'!

America needs its slaves but won't ever admit it.

Oz, You Miserable Fuck! 24.Aug.2003 00:50

Toto

Where have you been? Licking your wounds and wallowing in your failure? You poor, poor man. The crumbling of your idoitic world view must be hard to take. It almost seemed within reach didn't it? Oh well. Your friend(s) tell me that you're real good with computers. Maybe you should stick with that.

Come with me 11.Sep.2003 21:07

coconut nightowl3183@yahoo.com

I plan to renounce my citizenship, but i am going to do my homework first, and find a country to live in. Pity I have to do it alone, though. I would welcome anyone who would like to join me.
I, too, would like a ticket to another country, since i don't have a ton of money to throw around, but i will find wherever i can go with what i have. i understand that the US is going to be pissed off i don't like it, and probably not let me back in to see my friends, but that just makes it a f***er. Well, that's the choice of the people who WANT to be citizens.

Big Little T 24.Jul.2004 00:17

Fatherly Advice from a survivor of Genocide

Be aware of those who offer to pay,they who have exploited others and gained, are innately evil.Their inhumane greed is inbred and they would just as soon make you an offer but not dare give you a thing. Think about it, the American Indians whom this wonderfull land was stolen from had thousands of treaties signed and broken.They give nothing except to that which will profit themselves. Life,Liberty and Justice, much less the Bill of Rights means nothing to them. Thus you know of this for this is why you feel the way you do, this is what ails you.You take care and don't take candy from strangers.