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Protest Again tonight at 5 pm

After the morning rally, there will be an additional anti Bush protest at 5pm
It's time to stand up for the future of Oregon and the nation. Join the Oregon Democratic Party at a rally to let President Bush know that he will be held accountable for his failed economic policies.

What: President Bush counter-rally

Where: New Oregon Democratic Party Headquarters
232 NE 9th Avenue
Portland, OR 97232

When: Thursday, August 21, at 5:00 p.m.

For more information, contact the Oregon Democratic Party at 503-224-8200.
I hope the future is beyond your control. 21.Aug.2003 09:42

Patriot Actor

Be specific about which economic policies have so harmed you. Your reduced tax rate?

Why are you so silent on the failed economic policies of the Oregon government? Why didn't you hold Governor Kitzhaber responsible for his decade of failed economic policies that have run this once great state into the economic ground? Governor Kulongoski is about to sign the single biggest tax increase in the history of the state of Oregon - and that comes just months after he was elected in part for his pledge to not raise taxes.

The Democrat party of this country (and state, apparently, too) are so morally bankrupt and politcally baseless that you all can't seem to find anything to argue *for* -- all you do is rally against those who disagree with you and attempt to discredit them without ever being accountable for your own party's actions.

No city, state, or country in the entire history of the civilized world has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Why do you still seem to think it will work for the country, the state, or the city? Start holding your community and state leaders accountable.

Otherwise, your message will continue to be intellectually dishonest and hypocritical.

prepare to have your hopes dashed 21.Aug.2003 09:52

cynic

The future is not beyond anyone's control. As for Bush's policie sthat have harmed us I could list pages, tax cuts, and illegal wars and occupations would probably top that list. Remember the top 1% of income earners are getting over 50% of the tax cuts, those cuts are destroying the economy by giving money to the rich rather than the working class and middle class. If we wanted a healthy economy we would choose to give the bulk of the money to the bulk of the people. But Bush's controllers don't want a healthy economy; they just want more money for them and their donors. And so that's what we've got an unhealthy economy with a lot of rich people amking a lot of money at the expense of everyone else. As for taxing into prosperity, well I would agree that raising taxes is not the issue, cuttin gspending is, and the most obvious and largest cuts that could be made are to eliminate corporate welfare (which should appeal to anyone that believes in the free market) and cutting military spending (which is essentially just another form of corporate welfare these days). But I love how I hear republicans complain that Europeans nations have taxes that are too high and then claim that you can't tax into prosperity when these saThe future is not beyond anyone's control. As for Bush's policies that have harmed us I could list pages, tax cuts, and illegal wars and occupations would probably top that list. Remember the top 1% of income earners are getting over 50% of the tax cuts, those cuts are destroying the economy by giving money to the rich rather than the working class and middle class. If we wanted a healthy economy we would choose to give the bulk of the money to the bulk of the people. But Bush's controllers don't want a healthy economy; they just want more money for them and their donors. And so that's what we've got an unhealthy economy with a lot of rich people making a lot of money at the expense of everyone else. As for taxing into prosperity, well I would agree that raising taxes is not the issue, cutting spending is, and the most obvious and largest cuts that could be made are to eliminate corporate welfare (which should appeal to anyone that believes in the free market) and cutting military spending (which is essentially just another form of corporate welfare these days). But I love how I hear republicans complain that Europeans nations have taxes that are too high and then claim that you can't tax into prosperity when these same countries that have higher taxes are a lot more prosperous (in measures of education, health care, standard of living, poverty, unemployment, etc.). But I will agree, every elected official should be held accountable. Most democrat and republican politicians have no morality, ethics, care for the common good, or anything else that would make them redeemable. Hold them all accountable and then we can accelerate the positive change already occurring.me countries that have higher taxes are a lot more prosperous (in measures of education, health care, standard of living, poverty, unemployment, etc.). But I will agree, every elected official should be held accountable. Most democrat and republican politicians have no morality, ethics, care for the common good, or anything else that would make them redeemable. Hold them all accountable and then we can accelerate the positive change already occurring.

Yay! 21.Aug.2003 10:02

Portlander

Wow, this is GREAT!

I wanted to go to the UofP protest.....but there just seems to be some determined troublemakers. I want to oust a troublemaker - why become one?

I will be at the dem counter-rally! Thanks so much!!

And Here I am.......1 mile from UofP........and I can't even say if it will be possible for me to get out and do some errands....... Thanks anarchists.

No permit? WTF?

Good luck in 2008 21.Aug.2003 10:55

Patriot Actor

The top 1% of this country *pay * more than 50% of the taxes. That never seems to figure in your misguided argument about the "fairness" of tax cuts.

The War on Terror is not an illegal war. You may not like it, but it is not illegal. You may think it bucks the wishes of the world, but it is not illegal.


The countries to which you allude do not have the GNP or the infrastructure that we have. Yeah, Holland is doing just fine with their 4 million people paying exhorbitant tax rates. But no one has the standard of living that is available to those in this country. Universal health care is great until you get sick. No one goes to Holland for the best medical treatment, they come here. When Iran's ayatollah had a sick and dying son, where did he turn? Canada? No, he looked here because we are the best in the world. This is the leader of a regime hell-bent on destroying and discrediting our country and he requested medical treatment from an American doctor. Not a Dutch doctor ... or a French doctor. (I trust you know of people applying en masse to European universities, too? Moreso than the number of foreign nationals applying to US schools?)

Feel free to experiment with the [Return] on your keyboard. Paragraphs are easier to read. And from the repeating nature of your post, you might want to stay away from the copy/paste features for a bit. :)

Think Again (or just plain THINK) 21.Aug.2003 11:05

person

The reason you can't get out to do your errands is because the police that you pay for so handsomely are busy ignoring the BILL of RIGHTS in your name.

I am very sure that there were a lot of people in 1930's Germany who figured that all they had to do was keep a low profile, not make "trouble" (by calling attention to human and civil rights abuses, and by trying to change things for the better).

Guess again.

top 1% argument 21.Aug.2003 14:21

Pondering Portlander

And the top 1% earn how much of the income in the US? I know they have much more than 50% of the wealth, from what I have seen in numerous published reports.

Taxation should be equal to the proportion of wealth you have!

So let's have a free for all? 21.Aug.2003 14:25

onebiguglymother

So.... send all the police home and let the cowards who are afraid to show their face or be interviewed on TV run wild. Is that what you want? Laws but no order? Or no laws at all?

The tax proportion theory 21.Aug.2003 14:54

onebiguglymother

Please explain why. How would you suggest it be calculated?

Yes, Ponder us your "fair" calculation 22.Aug.2003 11:44

Patriot Actor

I'm pondering what makes you think we *don't* have a graduated tax schedule in this country. Taxation IS proportional to income. That's why some people give over 50% of their income to the federal government. I'm guessing that you probably don't give near as much of your income up. Of course, that's not what you meant, is it? You want everyone to have exactly the same amount of money - if anyone accumulates more than you, you want it taken away from them.

I suppose you're posting from your own computer? Must be nice to be able to afford one.

You can strive for change in this country, but let's not go down the socialism road - let's at least try something that hasn't failed over and over again all over the world.