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Kucinich v Dean

Where broad agreement exists, I've omitted the issue to save space.
I've also omitted issues where one candidate has no stated position I could find,
even though this is a measure of a candidate's relative concern for and familiarity with issues.
Kucinich v. Dean

Where broad agreement exists, I've omitted the issue to save space.
I've also omitted issues where one candidate has no stated position I could find,
even though this is a measure of a candidate's relative concern for and familiarity with issues.

The main sources are the candidates' own websites, plus a whole lot of searching via Google.
I can't promise every detail is correct; this is one guy's best effort.

Full disclosure: I have several friends on the Kucinich campaign, and I supported him when this started.
A few months ago, I was even going to join up, but since I'm in the media, decided it was better to be independent. I was also very interested in Dean for a while, around February and March, until I decided to support Kucinich. Make of that whatever you will.

Finally, Dean is basically a good guy, and if he's nominated I'll vote for him in a heartbeat.
It's just that it's simply not accurate to refer to him as a progressive candidate.
As he told Salon: "I don't mind being characterized as 'liberal' -- I just don't happen to think it's true."
I'm also not saying that Kucinich's positions are the "right" ones on every issue;
I just personally agree with him on most of them, and I think other progressives will, too.

PS: I had not the slightest idea how many people would visit my page.
According to Memeufacture, a link here from TalkLeft quickly spread all over the liberal blogosphere.
Thanks, cool, great -- but I'm not an expert, just a guy trying to figure this out.
I've tried to correct any mistakes brought to my attention, but I do make them.
Do your own research and thinking.

Issues

*Health care plan

Kucinich: Canadian-style single-payer system, extending the successes of Medicare, financed by a tax on employers lower than the current cost of private insurance

Dean: Complex 4-prong plan, extending multiple state and federal programs piecemeal, combined with tax credits and incentives, all of which Dean claims is more likely to become law, but still won't cover everyone

*Death penalty

Kucinich: Opposes
Dean: Favors for "extreme" crimes like terrorism or the killing of a police officer, although critical of Bush administration's "careless" approach to executions

*Roe v. Wade

Kucinich: Pro-life until recently; now the only candidate pledging to make Roe v. Wade a "litmus test" for appointing federal judges

Dean: Pro-choice, but refuses to make Roe v. Wade a litmus test for federal judges

*Kyoto treaty

Kucinich: Supports

Dean: Says we must "take another look," but has "concerns" about some provisions

*Patriot Act

Kucinich: Only presidential candidate who personally voted against it

Dean: Would repeal "parts," but also wants to expand intelligence agencies; praises Russ Feingold as only Senator who opposed the act, ignoring Kucinich's vocal House opposition, falsely implying no other candidate opposed the Patriot Act

*NAFTA/WTO

Kucinich: Full withdrawal, to replace with fair trade; opposes "fast track" treatment of any future trade legislation; personally marched in Seattle protests

Dean: Notes problems with "free" trade, suggesting the need for inclusion of human rights, environmental, and labor standards in trade agreements -- but still pro-NAFTA

*"Star Wars" ballistic missile system

Kucinich: Would abolish; has sponsored legislation banning weapons from space

Dean: Would cut only 1/8 of the funding, transferring it to international threat-reduction programs

*Pentagon waste

Kucinich: Would cut Pentagon programs which don't even work, like the V-22, F-22, and "Star Wars," and demand accountability for over a $1 trillion in "lost" funds

Dean: Disagrees with any proposed Pentagon cutbacks, and advocates aggressive expansion of intelligence, police, and special forces

*Balanced budget

Kucinich: A long-term goal, but deficits may be necessary in the short run for economic and social investment

Dean: A main priority -- even equating it with social progress: "we cannot have social justice without a sound fiscal foundation" -- describing himself as "to the right of Bush" on the issue

*Gun control

Kucinich: Supports federal gun control legislation, and sponsored a bill calling for child safety devices on all new handguns

Dean: Supports closing the gun show loophole, but opposes other new federal regulation; considers guns a states' rights issue; an "A" rating from NRA most of his career

*Medical marijuana

Kucinich: Supports compassionate use

Dean: Firmly opposed, although promises to abide by a proposed FDA evaluation

*War on drugs

Kucinich: Proposes European-style treatment of addiction as a medical, not criminal problem, with attendant reductions in crime and violence

Dean: Has accepted National Governors Association position: more federal funding for all aspects of the drug war; however, also speaks of drug use as a medical problem, and has called the War on Drugs a failure; website and recent speeches simply do not clarify what policies he would pursue, as far as I can tell

*Gay rights

Kucinich: Believes gay and straight couples should be 100% equal before the law, including Social Security and domestic-partner benefits; supports federal civil union legislation

Dean: Signed a civil union (not gay marriage) bill, but opposes similar national laws as a states' rights issue

*Energy

Kucinich: Supports investment in solar, wind, ocean, and other clean energy; risked career to prevent a power monopoly in Cleveland, saving taxpayers over $200 million

Dean: Supports investment in alternative energy and energy efficiency; however, has sided with Vermont state utilities on most issues

*Political experience

Kucinich: Has held local, state, and federal office for a total of 17 years. Four-term member of Congress, since 1997. Currently chair of the Progressive Caucus, largest Democratic caucus in Congress.

Dean: Vermont state legislator, 1982-86; Lt. Governor, 1986-91; Governor, 1991-2002. Former chair, National Governors Association.

*Iraq war

Kucinich: Opposed staunchly from the beginning, has never wavered

Dean: Firmly opposed, before, although he told the L.A. Times in January that he would support unilateral action if Iraq had WMDs; softened his rhetoric again in March, once the war began, explaining in conservative South Carolina, "it's hard to criticize the President when you've got troops in the field... we all have got to support the troops;" now again firmly opposed, and highly vocal

*Personal

Kucinich: Lifelong member of the working class. Grew up so poor that his family lived in a car more than once. Currently a vegan.

Dean: Patrician upbringing. Speaks harshly about negative environmental impact of SUVs. Drives an SUV (a Chevy Suburban).

*Wellstone connections

Kucinich: Wellstone was a proud member of the Progressive Caucus, which Kucinich leads

Dean:Stole the "democratic wing of the democratic party" line from Wellstone after his death

*Ambition

Kucinich: Began campaign late, in part because he was busy organizing anti-war voices in Congress

Dean: Vermont newspapers had to sue to get Dean's 2002 schedule as Governor; Dean spent almost all of the year out the state, and didn't want his constituents to know

Home state
Kucinich: Ohio, 21 electoral votes
Vermont, 3 electoral votes

homepage: homepage: http://www.bobharris.com/kucinichdean.html


Sensible Compromise - Howard Dean 22.Jul.2003 17:12

Sophie Pontellier

Representative Ron Paul of Texas (Republican-Libertarian) asks: "How could liberals be satisfied? They are pleased with the centralization of education and medical programs in Washington and support many of the administration's proposals."

I'm a liberal, and I don't support a damn thing this administration has done -- not a damn thing.
Preemptive wars? No.
Privatization of federal services? No.
Affronts to civil liberties? No.
Huge media conglomerates? No.
Fiscally insane tax cuts? No.
Bloated deficits? No.
This "assault weapons" ban?

Having respect for the Constitution and all of its Amendments, I can no more support infringement on free speech as those against the right to bear arms. And privacy and abortion issues -- it just goes on and on. There are more people on your side than you realize.

This next election is important. Those that feel the way you do -- if we can bear sensible compromise -- might look into the candidacy of Howard Dean. He has a libertarian streak which suits me; maybe it'll suit others, as well. We may be an odd or unlikely medley of folks, but with the interests of America foremost, here we are.


utter nonsense 22.Jul.2003 17:45

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I'd rather vote for Bush than Bush-lite.

Dean - the Doctor who Supports State Sponsored Murder 23.Jul.2003 09:22

Fred

Guess his oath doesn't matter much. It's like the doctors who get assigned to inject the prisoners when they're being murdered by the state - their oath doesn't really count.

Dean's position on the death penalty is a perfect example of his absurd platform - I'll just say whatever it takes to fool *everyone* into thinking I'm the right guy for them! I don't actually support any values - certainly my party doesn't - so why pretend?

Even considering it was okay for the state to murder people, under Dean, you'd be murdered for shooting a police officer, but not an infant, not the wife of the police officer, not you or I. Who decides what the extreme cases are? White fearful America that Dean is trying to get as his voters.

There's nothing to this man except deceit.