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Dean Visiting Portland August 25!
Howard Dean is the rock star of Presidential candidates, and like a rock
star, he is going on tour! The "People-Powered Howard Sleepless Summer Tour"
will be a four day, six-city series of rallies demonstrating the powerful
grassroots support for Governor Dean. He'll be hitting Chicago, New York,
Alexandria, San Antonio, Seattle, and... our fair Rose City! Dean supporters
from Vancouver and all over the state of Oregon will be joining us in
Portland for our biggest event yet. The rally will be at noon on Monday,
August 25. Ashley Henry has already gotten in touch with the Pioneer
Courthouse Square folks, and we hope to have our application approved within
the next few days. Stay tuned!

Monday, August 25 at noon - save the date! Let's show Governor Dean our
largest, most enthusiastic turnout yet! Invite your friends, family,
co-workers, and neighbors - both those who are already Dean supporters, and
those who are undecided but curious. So many people who are on the fence
become ardent Dean supporters after hearing him speak. So bring everybody!
Registration is not required for this rally, but is encouraged so that we
can keep you updated as detailed plans develop. Register for the rally at

If you are interested in volunteering for this event, contact Kelly Whitty
at  kelwhit01@earthlink.net.

Kucinich v Dean 22.Jul.2003 14:13


Kucinich v. Dean

Where broad agreement exists, I've omitted the issue to save space.
I've also omitted issues where one candidate has no stated position I could find,
even though this is a measure of a candidate's relative concern for and familiarity with issues.

The main sources are the candidates' own websites, plus a whole lot of searching via Google.
I can't promise every detail is correct; this is one guy's best effort.

Full disclosure: I have several friends on the Kucinich campaign, and I supported him when this started.
A few months ago, I was even going to join up, but since I'm in the media, decided it was better to be independent.
I was also very interested in Dean for a while, around February and March, until I decided to support Kucinich.
Make of that whatever you will.

Finally, Dean is basically a good guy, and if he's nominated I'll vote for him in a heartbeat.
It's just that it's simply not accurate to refer to him as a progressive candidate.
As he told Salon: "I don't mind being characterized as 'liberal' -- I just don't happen to think it's true."
I'm also not saying that Kucinich's positions are the "right" ones on every issue;
I just personally agree with him on most of them, and I think other progressives will, too.

PS: I had not the slightest idea how many people would visit this page.
According to Memeufacture, a link here from TalkLeft quickly spread all over the liberal blogosphere.
Thanks, cool, great -- but I'm not an expert, just a guy trying to figure this out.
I've tried to correct any mistakes brought to my attention, but I do make them.
Do your own research and thinking.


*Health care plan

Kucinich: Canadian-style single-payer system, extending the successes of Medicare, financed by a tax on employers lower than the current cost of private insurance

Dean: Complex 4-prong plan, extending multiple state and federal programs piecemeal, combined with tax credits and incentives, all of which Dean claims is more likely to become law, but still won't cover everyone

*Death penalty

Kucinich: Opposes
Dean: Favors for "extreme" crimes like terrorism or the killing of a police officer, although critical of Bush administration's "careless" approach to executions

*Roe v. Wade

Kucinich: Pro-life until recently; now the only candidate pledging to make Roe v. Wade a "litmus test" for appointing federal judges

Dean: Pro-choice, but refuses to make Roe v. Wade a litmus test for federal judges

*Kyoto treaty

Kucinich: Supports

Dean: Says we must "take another look," but has "concerns" about some provisions

*Patriot Act

Kucinich: Only presidential candidate who personally voted against it

Dean: Would repeal "parts," but also wants to expand intelligence agencies; praises Russ Feingold as only Senator who opposed the act, ignoring Kucinich's vocal House opposition, falsely implying no other candidate opposed the Patriot Act


Kucinich: Full withdrawal, to replace with fair trade; opposes "fast track" treatment of any future trade legislation; personally marched in Seattle protests

Dean: Notes problems with "free" trade, suggesting the need for inclusion of human rights, environmental, and labor standards in trade agreements -- but still pro-NAFTA

*"Star Wars" ballistic missile system

Kucinich: Would abolish; has sponsored legislation banning weapons from space

Dean: Would cut only 1/8 of the funding, transferring it to international threat-reduction programs

*Pentagon waste

Kucinich: Would cut Pentagon programs which don't even work, like the V-22, F-22, and "Star Wars," and demand accountability for over a $1 trillion in "lost" funds

Dean: Disagrees with any proposed Pentagon cutbacks, and advocates aggressive expansion of intelligence, police, and special forces

*Balanced budget

Kucinich: A long-term goal, but deficits may be necessary in the short run for economic and social investment

Dean: A main priority -- even equating it with social progress: "we cannot have social justice without a sound fiscal foundation" -- describing himself as "to the right of Bush" on the issue

*Gun control

Kucinich: Supports federal gun control legislation, and sponsored a bill calling for child safety devices on all new handguns

Dean: Supports closing the gun show loophole, but opposes other new federal regulation; considers guns a states' rights issue; an "A" rating from NRA most of his career

*Medical marijuana

Kucinich: Supports compassionate use

Dean: Firmly opposed, although promises to abide by a proposed FDA evaluation

*War on drugs

Kucinich: Proposes European-style treatment of addiction as a medical, not criminal problem, with attendant reductions in crime and violence

Dean: Has accepted National Governors Association position: more federal funding for all aspects of the drug war; however, also speaks of drug use as a medical problem, and has called the War on Drugs a failure; website and recent speeches simply do not clarify what policies he would pursue, as far as I can tell

*Gay rights

Kucinich: Believes gay and straight couples should be 100% equal before the law, including Social Security and domestic-partner benefits; supports federal civil union legislation

Dean: Signed a civil union (not gay marriage) bill, but opposes similar national laws as a states' rights issue


Kucinich: Supports investment in solar, wind, ocean, and other clean energy; risked career to prevent a power monopoly in Cleveland, saving taxpayers over $200 million

Dean: Supports investment in alternative energy and energy efficiency; however, has sided with Vermont state utilities on most issues

*Political experience

Kucinich: Has held local, state, and federal office for a total of 17 years. Four-term member of Congress, since 1997. Currently chair of the Progressive Caucus, largest Democratic caucus in Congress.

Dean: Vermont state legislator, 1982-86; Lt. Governor, 1986-91; Governor, 1991-2002. Former chair, National Governors Association.

*Iraq war

Kucinich: Opposed staunchly from the beginning, has never wavered

Dean: Firmly opposed, before, although he told the L.A. Times in January that he would support unilateral action if Iraq had WMDs; softened his rhetoric again in March, once the war began, explaining in conservative South Carolina, "it's hard to criticize the President when you've got troops in the field... we all have got to support the troops;" now again firmly opposed, and highly vocal


Kucinich: Lifelong member of the working class. Grew up so poor that his family lived in a car more than once. Currently a vegan.

Dean: Patrician upbringing. Speaks harshly about negative environmental impact of SUVs. Drives an SUV (a Chevy Suburban).

*Wellstone connections

Kucinich: Wellstone was a proud member of the Progressive Caucus, which Kucinich leads

Dean:Stole the "democratic wing of the democratic party" line from Wellstone after his death


Kucinich: Began campaign late, in part because he was busy organizing anti-war voices in Congress

Dean: Vermont newspapers had to sue to get Dean's 2002 schedule as Governor; Dean spent almost all of the year out the state, and didn't want his constituents to know

Home state
Kucinich: Ohio, 21 electoral votes
Vermont, 3 electoral votes

Dean 22.Jul.2003 16:02


leavin' it.

pathetic 22.Jul.2003 17:09


Gee whiz! With a point-by-point list like that, it just shows you how friggin desperate progressives must be to even dream of voting for a stinker like Dean at this point! As for me, I'd sooner save my pride and vote for a write-in, especially in a country where it's already a proven fact that as likely as not the vote's gonna be rigged anyway... The political establishment might be lying and corrupt, but why should I have to sink to their level of hypocrisy in the privacy of the voting booth, especially if it's not likely to change the outcome anyway? Might as well stick to my principles, until someone can show me a good reason to do otherwise.

THE OUTCOME. 22.Jul.2003 21:08

pResidential Selection 2004

no matter *who* votes for *whom*,

Bu$h will be declared/appointed/prevaricated

as the "winner" . . .

if you think Bush's re-selection is a foregone conclusion ... 23.Jul.2003 04:24


then demand international oversight of the 2004 election.

If you think Bush's re-selection is a foregone conclusion ... 23.Jul.2003 04:47

No Two-Time Dupe

then demand international oversight of the 2004 election!