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Kucinich Visit to Portland

Presidential hopeful, and US Congressman, Dennis Kucinich visited Portland, Oregon today. Here is my impression. Dennis Kucinich was clearly pumped up and pleasantly surprised, when he appeared before an overflowing crowd today. Just after 11 AM, around 100 people lined the walls in a stuffy, narrow hallway of the Oregon Pioneer Building, as an animated Dennis Kucinich squeezed thru the crowd, shaking hands, and receiving a warm Portland welcome. [ Read More ] [ Audio: KUCINICH IN PORTLAND ]

Barb's report: Dennis Kucinich arrived to a packed conference room and a packed hallway at 11 am this morning. He spoke to the crowd from the perch of a chair about his platform for about half an hour and then answered questions. After about 45 minutes, he suggested that the crowd relocate outside, and he stood on a newspaper box and answered questions for another 25 minutes or so. The crowd was estimated at about 350 people, and Kucinich energized the crowd and challenged each person to be active in his campaign and to make the grass roots difference to put him into the Presidency. There was a lot of optimism and enthusiasm and energy in his address and he gave that same energy to the crowd. The good news is that a Kucinich campaign office will be opening here soon. The web site is www.kucinich.us.

Man's report: I went to meet Mr Kucinich this morning and was NOT dissapointed in the least. It was wonderful to hear a politician talking about the things that are important to me.

Call to Protest Kucinich's visit Why should we support Kucinich? Because he is anti-war? Bullshit. He may not have supported the war on Iraq, but he would still support the wars in Palestine, Colombia, and the economic warfare of global capitalism decimating the world's population. He still supports the systematic racism in this country which keeps people of color oppressed every second of every day. He is a capitalist. He will not solve any of our problems.
Bring 'em on!
Bring 'em on!
Dennis Kucinich was clearly pumped up and pleasantly surprised, when he appeared before an overflowing crowd today. Just after 11 AM, around 100 people lined the walls in a stuffy, narrow hallway of the Oregon Pioneer Building, as an animated Dennis Kucinich squeezed thru the crowd, shaking hands, and receiving a warm Portland welcome.
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Kucinich stood elevated above the crowd, and passionately projected his vision and his platform to the packed meeting room, as well as into the crowded hall. He was frequently boosted by spirited applause as he outlined his plan. He spoke about withdrawal from NAFTA and WTO, environmental renewal and clean energy, health care, slashing the military budget, and the establishment of a Department of Peace. For a more complete list of his top issues, see the Pink Panther comment at-

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/268402.shtml

After his speech, the crowd followed Kucinich out to the parking lot across the street. Kucinich perched himself on top of a newspaper box, under the building afternoon sun, and took questions from the crowd. I do not remember all of the questions that were asked outside. I was occasionally distracted as I scanned the rooftops for snipers. I think that it was outside, however, that Kucinich expressed his intent to REPEAL the Patriot Act, and that he stated his support for women's choice, with respect to abortion. Well, I hate to end on abortion, but that's all for now. I left feeling hopeful, and that is a very welcome feeling these days.

One Strategy 20.Jul.2003 19:37

Den Mark

One strategy regarding Kucinich would be to work like mad for him, because he deserves it, in order to have max impact on democrats (republican-lite), & when they turn on him, as they will, to then vote for a third party, to help it achieve 5%, & wait for the nation to sink even lower, under whoever corporate power chooses among republicrats. The lower we sink, the sooner revolution. I'm up for that.

(A cooler scenario would be for Kucinich to bolt from the party. Then "all" we have to do is mobilize the 50+% of the electorate which does not vote. Hell, we'd only need half of them, to overtake the <25% "commanded" by each of the two vomitous "major" parties.)

Den Mark, Vancouver

Jumbo 20.Jul.2003 22:53

huh?

You know I think the reason most "mainstream" Americans hate and fear leftists is because they make up strategies that include items like "Pretend to endorse candidate and then turn on him at last minute" and "Make sure America goes down the tubes so I get to be generalissimo of the revolution". Put this in your three foot glass pipe and smoke it: Karl Rove is a better Leninist than you.

Well put, Jumbo 20.Jul.2003 23:08

James

And an important point to make. Because without mainstream America, revolutionary-types -- of any degree -- will have no influence. (Or very little, anyway). Everytime a closed-minded Bush supporter reads something like that, it further solidifies their beliefs that all leftists are whackos, and delays any possible form of lefist revolution which may someday come.

Just 15 years ago, gay rights was considered by many an issue exclusive to the extremists. The nation's ideas were changed not by trickery, and not by politicians, but by pop-culture and the day-to-day interactions of people. That's the only way your "revolution" will come.

well said, Den Mark 21.Jul.2003 03:31

Dance

Your "strategy" makes sense.

(Too bad some folks post comments they've dashed off in response to their fantasies rather than to what others have actually written)

jumbo and kind...... 21.Jul.2003 04:54

x

The fact is, it's natural to see swings in US history. Often, the most progressive political movements follow periods of the most extreme inequality, or the most social upheaval (1890s as a good example of the former, and the Great Depression and subsequent New Deal as a good example of the later). All Den Mark was doing when making the "strategy" remark is paying passive observance to what is tried and true historical patterns in the US. While it's not necessarily certain that we will see some "positive" (progressive or whatever) movement coming out of corruption getting worse, it's more likely than seeing "positive" change coming out of today's status quo.

Eggplant 21.Jul.2003 05:02

Anax

>>Then "all" we have to do is mobilize the 50+% of the electorate which does not vote. Hell, we'd only need half of them, to overtake the <25% "commanded" by each of the two vomitous "major" parties.

By that logic, "we" could get a garden vegetable, say an eggplant, elected. Just motivate those 25% of voters who don't give a crap about Demoblicans and Republicrats to vote for a non-entity, a vote of "no-confidence." Hmm, maybe Michael Moore did something like that...?

Learn To Read, Jumbo 21.Jul.2003 06:47

Den Mark

It's cool to comment on what people say here but not cool to comment on what they did NOT say. Jumbo did not bother to "get" that i said that Kucinich's OWN PARTY will turn on him, NOT those who work for him. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Does voting even matter anymore??? 21.Jul.2003 09:27

Orwell's long lost cousin

I am constantly amazed at the number of people both on indy media and in the general public that think voting even matters...

Bush fixed and stole the fucking election last time and who the fuck doesn't think he will do it again????

It doesn't matter how many people vote for anybody...the corporatists Bushies are going to fix it and steal it again, so sending in your ballot is just going through the motions of a ficitional democracy.

So keep your fictional image of a democracy in your mind and you will sleep a lot better at night or whenever you try and sleep.

By the way, I was just in New Orleans on business and that place never sleeps...people wandering around in the streets with drinks in their hands at all hours, women pulling up their shirts for mere beads, and really, really good and spicey food...but it is great to be back home in good ole Orygon!

Whatever 21.Jul.2003 09:53

Jumbo

I hope you don't cry too much over my misquote. But to be sure your strategy still includes: intentionally wasting time, effort and resources on a candidate you know can't win, electing George W. Bush (unless you plan on recruiting 5% of Bush voters) and making the country worse. That means more wars, worse environment, more unemployment, less health care, etc. for four more years. Then hoping that some magic revolution will just appear like it was supposed to in the 60's. And by that I mean 1860's. Read your plan outloud. The first one. The Dems have already turned on Kucinich, there's no third party in any kind of position to take 5% except maybe the Libertarians or the Constitution Party. If Nader runs again there'll be such a pre-emptive backlash, he'll be lucky to pull all of you 1 percenters. I've got a better plan for you, see how you like it:
Stay out of electoral politics, organize a labor union, subscribe to Adbusters, get a medical degree and open up a free clinic and go sit in a tree. If you can do any of those things you'll be doing a lot more for the country (and the proletariat) than your current plan.

subrosa motto of the democrats... 21.Jul.2003 12:12

zek

... bigger cages! longer chains! ...bigger cages! longer chains!

Jumbo you're not as much of a dumbshit as I thought 21.Jul.2003 16:12

kdhjbrgv

"Stay out of electoral politics, organize a labor union, subscribe to Adbusters, get a medical degree and open up a free clinic and go sit in a tree."

Apart from the Adbusters subscription, this seems like good advice. Were you being sarcastic, or did you grow a brain while you head was in your ass?