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Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists-Portland General Organizing Group Meeting

Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists-Portland General Organizing Group Meeting
Thursday, July 17th 7pm
For the place of the meeting and a copy of the proposed aims and principles please email  pdxgog@ziplip.com with a brief introduction of yourself and your interest in FNAC.

This meeting is for all anarchist communists seriously interested in being a
part of building a North West Federation. We will be discussing issues
pertaining to the Portland General Organizing Group and the Federations
proposed aims and principles. You should come prepaired to discuss the aims
and principles, with criticisms and proposed changes. The aims and
principles are being discussed throughout the NW and changes to them will be
made at the founding confrence in early fall.


The Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists is an organization of
revolutionaries who come from different movements of resistance and identify
with the communist tradition within anarchism. The federation focuses on
theoretical development, anarchist propaganda, and organization in the
struggle of the working class, whether autonomously or by direct involvement
in social movements.
Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists-Portland General Organizing
Group Meeting
Thursday, July 17th 7pm
For the place of the meeting please email  pdxgog@ziplip.com with a brief
introduction of yourself and your interest in FNAC.

This meeting is for all anarchist communists seriously interested in being a
part of building a North West Federation. We will be discussing issues
pertaining to the Portland General Organizing Group and the Federations
proposed aims and principles. You should come prepaired to discuss the aims
and principles, with criticisms and proposed changes. The aims and
principles are being discussed throughout the NW and changes to them will be
made at the founding confrence in early fall.

PORTLAND GENERAL ORGANIZING GROUP

The General Organizing Group is intended to bring together all anarchist
communists in the Portland area for discussion an action around the
formation of the Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists (FNAC). The
purpose of G.O.G.s (which are being organized throughout the Northwest, is
to build local collectives, discuss federation business, provide local
mutual aid and solidarity, and generally build the regional federation. The
Founding Conference for FNAC is tentatively to be held in Portland late
summer early fall.

The GOG will be a tool for the exchange of ideas and information, collective
action, and the building of a revolutionary anarcho-communist federation,
which in turn will help build an anarcho-communist revolution.

The Federation of Northwest Anarchist Communists is an organization of
revolutionaries who come from different movements of resistance and identify
with the communist tradition within anarchism. The federation focuses on
theoretical development, anarchist propaganda, and organization in the
struggle of the working class, whether autonomously or by direct involvement
in social movements.

FNAC is still in its organizing phase right now. A discussion list has been
in existence for a year now, and a founding conference is tentatively set
for early fall. To subscribe to the discussion list contact :  fnac@risup.ca
We are fighting you 13.Jul.2003 07:38

JJ

Go ahead and have your meeting and enjoy each other. But remember for every one of you there are thousands of us fighting you with every breath we take. Your beliefs are rotten to the core and have no place in a democratic society. You will spend eternity in hell unless you see the error of your ways.

Already there, JJ 13.Jul.2003 08:06

esparanza

I am already spending what feels like an eternity in the hell we have created here on earth. If fighting for what is right for the masses (yes, the workers are the MAJORITY) is going to land me an eternity in the fairy land you call hell, then bring it on. I don't think I'm rotten to the core, I think the democratic system is rotten to the core. The fact that I think we can tear it down, makes me a romantic idealist. I wasn't going to go the the meeting (not being a anarcho-communist), but you have changed my mind, JJ. Thanx.

What do Anarchists and Communists Have In Common? 13.Jul.2003 14:52

^^

Communism would seem to be the opposite of Anarchy. In communist nations, what we have seen are strong, centralized governments made up of people with strong familial, or political (mostly both) ties to the Communist Party. Leadership is not open to the "people", it has been open to those willing and able to move on up through the Communist apparatus.

Anarchism, I thought, espouses local, decentralized power of autonomous, self-governing groups loosely federated.

If you think that aligning yourselves with the communists will lead to liberation, think again! Communism has piggybacked on top of populist movements, (October Revolution/February Revolution, to name one example), and once "the people" are in power, the loss of the most basic civil freedoms prevails. If you think you are in "hell" now, imagine if you saw your neighbors being disappeared for what they say in their own homes, things you don't think twice about saying on a public website. Imagine your friendly communist people's government starving you and you family and friends to death in order to prove that the government's agricultural programs work. This happened in the Soviet Union. People lived like this for nearly 70 years! In Cuba, that communist liberator Fidel Castro currently tortures homosexuals, artists and writers. Ahh, the rule of the people!

truth 13.Jul.2003 16:01

i know

Freedom without communism is privilege and injustice, communism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

hmm... 13.Jul.2003 16:24

Karl Marx

It is true that there is not a country (at least that i know of) where communism has succeeded. That's usually because those in power pay more attention to their own ego than to the writing of Karl Marx or other non-marxist communists. But in Marx's view, with the theory of triadic history, the end result of communism would make, to quote, "the state whither away". So i would say that socialism's end result theoretically (i know i spelled that all wrong- brain isn't working today) would be anarchy. Just my idea though, i don't know if that's what this group believes.

Why has communism failed? 13.Jul.2003 16:58

^^

Think about it: Why exactly has communism never worked?
Why have communist governments consistently betrayed their initial promise of of populist liberation?
These governments have not just been failures; Stalin, Mao, Castro, et.al., are among the most murderous thugs in history.
Murderers of millions.
Tortured millions more.
Nowhere has a communist leader w/o "egotism" ever existed.
Marx was wrong.
The promise of a workers paradise through communism is a lie.

Defenition 13.Jul.2003 17:28

superhombre

This is not an Anarchist/Communist group it's an Anarcho-communist group. Anarcho-communism has a communist economic system (as in worker controlled work places and the absence of money), but without a government. "Anarchism, I thought, espouses local, decentralized power of automonmous, self-governing groups loosely federated". That's what communism meant before dictators like Stalin and Mao appropriated the term to desribe their monopolist authoritarian dictatorships. During the Spanish Civil War the nation of Catalonia had a Anarcho-communist economic system (or at least as close as there's ever been). That is what meant by Anarchist communist.

As for the name FNAC, I think it would be better to use the term Cascadia instead of Northwest, because any possible goups from BC aren't from the Northwest, they're from southwestern Canada, and it doesn't legitimize the US or Canadian governments.

That Reminds Me ... 13.Jul.2003 21:08

^^

In Homage to Catalonia, George Orwell gives an account of what he saw fighting Franco during the Spanish Civil War. Incidentally, part of the reason why Franco was able to gain power was because of fighting among anarchists and communists. Orwell doesn't spare anybody in this memoir of the war.

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0156421178/102-0553856-0877709?vi=glance

cascadia, not 'northwest' 13.Jul.2003 22:25

i love a ruckus

right on to superhombre: the name of the federation should reflect our bioregion, cascadia, not the artificial political boundaries established for us by our imperialist forefathers. this is elemental ecological thinking, but i'd hazard a guess that the general emphasis of the group, what with the already-bureaucratic language, will be pretty archaic in nature.

even though i'm an anarch of the non-communist variety, it's always good to see new organizing efforts like this.

wait a minute 13.Jul.2003 22:37

-A-

how do i know this isnt some way of fingering activists? you have to email them to find out where the meeting is? maybe Im paranoid.

ixnay on cascadia name 14.Jul.2003 13:27

marshall forloveoflife76@hotmail.com

everybody thinks everything with the name cascadia is connected politically and if the anarcho-communists end up being a giant pain in the ass I don't want to have to deal with that baggage in addition to everything else. ok?

cascadia "brand" 14.Jul.2003 16:19

superhombre

Cascadia is used a lot more than just as a calling card for progressive political groups. I know of a condo project and an insurance company that use the name cascadia, so don't worry about the cascadia "brand name" being soiled because it already is.

Against a national federation- and the politicions communism requires. 14.Jul.2003 19:21

Michaelb

National Sindicalism - or Communism requres a political class dedicated to coordinating the actions of networks of syndicates-
in an electorial sysytem of federation we are given a handfull of corperate thugs that have already commited to betray us to choose from.
In a communist federation we would be given a similar choice- the difference bieng the politicions-"workers representitives" would have marginally less incentitive to concentrate material and social resources in thier hands. There is a scale or size after which a group cannot hear the voices of all it's peoples. Communism denies this basic truth. As a result people get put on trains and sent to frozen death camps- and tortured for bieng homosexuals.

Somebody read OCTAVIO PAZ please..

Good Point 14.Jul.2003 23:14

^^

Communism is inherently anti-anarchy because of the need of a professional class of managers to oversee the integration of the policy in action.

This system attracts careerists, thugs and bullies. The kind of folks who would starve a nation to prove that their agriculture policies work. Who would throw the weak and marginalized in jail while sucking up to the media.

Small, local, independent, self-governing groups to me make more sense.

This article is getting a large number of responses representing a diverse range of views. Seems to me it should be made a feature.

Do you know what anarchist-communism is?? 15.Jul.2003 00:28

anoyed

"National Sindicalism - or Communism requres a political class dedicated to coordinating the actions of networks of syndicates- "-michelb-
in the privlaged anarchist world, we need a bunch of college educated, middle class white boys to define what anarchist communism is. And they do a bad job at that.

"Communism is inherently anti-anarchy because of the need of a professional class of managers to oversee the integration of the policy in action. "
The integration of the 'policy' as you put it ( i would rather call it the ideal) would not be carried out by a bunch of professional manegers. For anarchist-communism (or any anarcho-fill in the blank) to work it has to come from peoples desire for it to exsist. If managers were needed to make it exsist then it would be authoritarian communism, not anarchist communism. We aren't calling ourselfs just communists, we put the anarchist in there for a reason, maybe you should try to figure out why that is. Or, maybe you should just agree with michelb, he seems like he would make a good dictator, what with trying to make people belive something is what it isn't.

Do you people know what anarchist-communism is? or are you just attacking something you know nothing about because you dont agree with it (how can you not agree with it when you do not know what it is?)
the following is from FNAC's proposed aims and principles:
----------------------------
Anarchist Communism

As anarchists we struggle for a society based on direct democracy, freedom, and equality; devoid of oppression, hierarchy and class division. As communists we believe private property, exchange value and markets should be abolished; in their place decentralized communities would control the means of production and distribution, based on the principle of "from each according to ability, to each according to need." Anarchist communism is not a rigid doctrine which attempts to force a single way of life on all people everywhere, but is instead a set of egalitarian principles that would empower individuals and their communities to determine their way of life for themselves. We seek to take part in building an international federation of radically democratic autonomous communities and workplaces.
----------------

Where in that statement do you find any mention of national politicians trying to force a policy on people. That idea contradicts the idea of anarchism, which is inherently anti-statist and decentralized.
Anarchist-Communism is not about soveit russia or cuba, it is about direct democracy, freedom, and equality (of all kinds).
I'm sorry if that doesn't fit into your privlaged, lifestylist monopoly on what anarchism is.
For some historical refrence, look into the spanish anarchists and kropotkin. For some more up to date reading, go to nefac.net or most any other anarchist website in the world (oh, did i forget to mention that anarchist-communism is the foundation of just about every somewhat sucsesful anarchist union, federation, etc. out there??!!).

Before you attempt to criticize something, try to understand it, please. Or else just stop wasting every ones time, we have better things to do than read a bunch of half assed complaints on indymedia.

a pissed off anarchist-communist

Old Time Fantasy 15.Jul.2003 01:43

Remain Calm

"Do you people know what anarchist-communism is? or are you just attacking something you know nothing about because you dont agree with it "

How does anybody know anarchist-communism is? It's an amorphous fantasy that gets passed from generation to generation of college kids. Don't get all huffy about it as if it were some real thing with no loose ends. As Nessie says, it's a utopia for the lazy folk -- let the 3% work and the rest of us can write poems and screw.

And then... 15.Jul.2003 01:54

Someone Who Is Almost There

And then they could always read Alexander Berkman's ABC of Anarchism (originally titled Now and After: The ABC of Communist Anarchism).

So, are your meetings boring?

Anarcho-Communism 15.Jul.2003 11:40

^^

"As anarchists we struggle for a society based on direct democracy, freedom, and equality; devoid of oppression, hierarchy and class division. "

That's what Fidel said.

"as communists we believe private property, exchange value and markets should be abolished; in their place decentralized communities would control the means of production and distribution, based on the principle of "from each according to ability, to each according to need."

So how exactly do you propose "abolishing" private property? Do you think people are just going to volunteer to give up their possessions? Somebody is going to have to enforce the no property rule. The word "enforce" and it's root, "force" being the operative word here. Ask a Ukrainian farmer exactly how their private property was abolished by Stalin.

"We seek to take part in building an international federation of radically democratic autonomous communities and workplaces."

Yes, that's exactly what Stalin told Roosevelt and Churchill at Yalta. He said the satellite nations of Eastern Europe would be self-governing, that Poland would have its own government, yadda yadda.

As I said, communism has a history of piggybacking on top of progressive movements and then once the revolution takes place tapping into the energy of the moment to impose its own agenda on the people. Even here in the U.S., right now, you see communist recruiters showing up at progressive events having nothing to do with communism.

You don't need to read books saying how wonderful either anarchy or communism is. Just look at recent history. History is a fantastic teacher.

Troll Alert 15.Jul.2003 11:50

>>

Troll above.

>> 15.Jul.2003 11:59

^^

If you do not like what I am saying, you are welcome to add your own insights. I would be interested in knowing if what I am saying is untrue.

Or, you can continue to call names and not add anything to the discussion.

C does not equal A-C 15.Jul.2003 18:32

>>

Troll,

Communism is not Anarcho-Communism. Criticizing Anarcho-Communism for the failures of "state capitalism" (what you called "communism") is like criticizing a siemese cat for the fur of a persian. The more you do this the more you make yourself look like an ass.

Wrong Way 15.Jul.2003 19:45

^^

If I had, in fact, been criticizing "anarcho-communism," (assuming such a thing existed), your post might make sense, but if you had read my posts and understood them, you would know that this is not what I was doing.

However, I understand that it might be too much to expect that a person whose only method of rebuttal is name calling and distorting facts might be able to comprehend simple written statements.

Try again.

Dear Fool (was Troll) 15.Jul.2003 23:23

>>

One of your damn posts was titled "Anarcho-Communism". Are you telling me that that post wasn't supposed to be about "Anarcho-Communism"? If so, what's with the title?

As usual, trolls opt for confusion when they're broke. Escape plan number what?

Either You 15.Jul.2003 23:46

^^

didn't read my posts

or didn't understand my posts.

why don't you try again after you've read and digested what my comments -- not just the header over one.

'k?

P.S. Ad-hominen attacks aren't rebuttals. They do make you look silly and uninformed, though. Keep it up! :)

i hate u comunists 29.Feb.2004 15:27

lil anarchist

u have no freakin idea what anarchism is so i suggest u lean u fricks.