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hiv/aids killed by coconut oil

lauric acid, the major fatty acid in coconut oil can disrupt the lipid envelop of hiv
Can coconut oil reduce the viral load of HIV-AIDS patients? "Initial trials have confirmed that coconut oil does have an anti-viral effect and can beneficially reduce the viral load of HIV patients", University of the Philippines' Emeritus professor of pharmocology Dr. Conrato S Dayrit said.

A minimum of 50 ml of coconut oil would contain 20 to 25 grams of lauric acid, which indicates that the oil is metabolized in the body to release monolaurin which is an antibiotic and an antiviral agent. Among the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has the maximum antiviral activity, he said. Based on this research, the first clinical trial using monolaurin as monotherapy on some of the HIV patients was conducted recently. Dr. Dayrit's conclusions after the study: "This initial trial confirmed the anecdotal reports that coconut oil does have an anti-viral effect and can beneficially reduce the viral load of HIV patients. The positive anti-viral action was seen not only with the monoglyceride of lauric acid but with coconut oil itself. This indicates that coconut oil is metabolized to monoglyceride forms of C-8, C-10, C- 12 to which it must owe its anti-pathogenic activity."

The entire results of Dr. Dayrit's study can be found here in PDF format.

On July 19, 1995, Dr. Mary Enig, noted biochemist and nutritionist, was quoted in an article published in The HINDU, India¡¯s National Newspaper as stating that coconut oil is converted by the body into ¡°Monolaurin¡± a fatty acid with anti-viral properties that might be useful in the treatment of AIDS. The staff reporter for The HINDU wrote about Enig¡¯s presentation at a press conference in Kochi and wrote the following:

¡°There was an instance in the US in which an infant tested HIV positive had become HIV negative. That it was fed with an infant formula with a high coconut oil content gains significance in this context and at present an effort was on to find out how the 'viral load' of an HIV infected baby came down when fed a diet that helped in the generation of Monolaurin in the body.¡±

The reporter commented on Enig¡¯s observations that ¡°Monolaurin helped in inactivating other viruses such as measles, herpes, vesicular stomatitis and Cytomegalovirus (CMV) and that research undertaken so far on coconut oil also indicated that it offered a certain measure of protection against cancer-inducing substances."

Enig stated in an article published in the Indian Coconut Journal, Sept., 1995 that Monolaurin, of which the precursor is lauric acid, disrupted the lipid membranes of envelope viruses and also inactivated bacteria, yeast and fungi. She wrote: ¡°Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater antiviral activity than either caprylic acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14). The action attributed to Monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids ..in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope.¡±

Dr. Mary Enig has also written a book entitled "Nutrients and Foods in AIDS," and one of the chapters is published on her website here.

In a July 1997 newsletter entitled "Keep Hope Alive" an interview with Chris Dafoe was recorded. Chris Dafoe of Cloverdale, IN who, based on his lab numbers, thought the end was near in September, 1996. His HIV viral load was over 600,000, CD4 count was 10 and CD8 at 300. He prepaid his funeral and decided to take his last vacation in the jungles of South America with an Indian tribe in the Republic of Surinam. Around October 14, 1996, he began eating daily a dish of cooked coconut which was prepared by the local Indians. By Dec. 27th, 1996, a mere 2 and 1/2 months later, his viral load was at non-detectable levels and he had gained 32 lbs and was feeling great. He had some other people he knew with HIV try using coconuts in their diet, and they experienced the same results. The entire interview is recorded here.

Recently the PATA International-Potato and Products Aid Alliance To Africa committed to purchase and send several hundred container loads of Tropical Traditions Virgin Coconut Oil to Africa for distribution among HIV - AIDS sufferers. They state:

"AIDS is the modern day Black Plague. Millions have all ready died from this disease, leaving behind millions of orphans. Millions more will follow in death, unless a low cost way of controlling this illness is found quickly.

Several long term world studies sponsored by various health organizations have found that the high content of lauric acid in unrefined coconut oil can prolong the lives of AIDS patients by dissolving the covering of the virus itself. This same action has been found effective against other infectious, tropical based diseases as well."

If the results from the smaller studies duplicate themselves in the clinics in Africa, PATA intends to extend the distribution of Virgin Coconut oil in Africa.

 http://www.coconut-info.com/aids.htm

MARY ENIG Ph.D. ON NATURAL COCONUT OIL FOR AIDS and OTHER VIRAL INFECTIONS
On July 19, 1995, Enig was quoted in an article published in The HINDU, India¡¯s National Newspaper as stating that coconut oil is converted by the body into ¡°Monolaurin¡± a fatty acid with anti-viral properties that might be useful in the treatment of AIDS. The staff reporter for The HINDU wrote about Enig¡¯s presentation at a press conference in Kochi and wrote the following:

¡°There was an instance in the US in which an infant tested HIV positive had become HIV negative. That it was fed with an infant formula with a high coconut oil content gains significance in this context and at present an effort was on to find out how the ¡°viral load¡± of an HIV infected baby came down when fed a diet that helped in the generation of Monolaurin in the body.¡±

The reporter commented on Enig¡¯s observations that ¡°Monolaurin helped in inactivating other viruses such as measles, herpes, vesicular stomatitis and Cytomegalovirus (CMV) and that research undertaken so far on coconut oil also indicated that it offered a certain measure of protection against cancer-inducing substances. "

In another article published in the Indian Coconut Journal, Sept., 1995, Dr. Enig stated:

¡°Recognition of the antimicrobial activity of the monoglyceride of lauric acid (Monolaurin) has been reported since 1966. The seminal work can be credited to Jon Kabara. This early research was directed at the virucidal effects because of possible problems related to food preservation. Some of the early work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) that showed virucidal effects of Monolaurin on enveloped RNA and DNA viruses was done in conjunction with the Center for Disease Control of the US Public Health Service with selected prototypes or recognized strains of enveloped viruses. The envelope of these viruses is a lipid membrane.¡±

Enig stated in her article that Monolaurin, of which the precursor is lauric acid, disrupted the lipid membranes of envelope viruses and also inactivated bacteria, yeast and fungi. She wrote:¡°Of the saturated fatty acids, lauric acid has greater antiviral activity than either caprylic acid (C-10) or myristic acid (C-14). The action attributed to Monolaurin is that of solubilizing the lipids ..in the envelope of the virus causing the disintegration of the virus envelope.¡± In India, coconut oil is fed to calves to treat Cryptosporidium as reported by Lark Lands Ph.D. in her upcoming book ¡°Positively Well¡± (1).

While HHV-6A was not mentioned by Enig, HHV-6A is an enveloped virus and would be expected to disintegrate in the presence of lauric acid and/or Monolaurin. Some of the pathogens reported by Enig to be inactivated by Monolaurin include HIV, measles, vercular stomatitis virus (VSV), herpes simplex virus (HSV-1), visna, cytomegalovirus (CMV), Influenza virus, Pneumonovirus, Syncytial virus and Rubeola. Some bacteria inactivated by Monolaurin include listeria, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus agalactiae, Groups A, B, F and G streptococci, Gram-positive organisms; and gram-negative organisms, if treated with chelator.

Enig reported that only one infant formula ¡°Impact¡± contains lauric acid while the more widely promoted formulas like ¡°Ensure¡± do not contain lauric acid and often contain some hydrogenated fats (trans fatty acids). A modified ester of lauric acid, Monolaurin (available in capsules), is sold in health food stores and is manufactured by Ecological Formulas, Concord, CA.

ENIG ON A THERAPEUTIC DOSE
Based on her calculations on the amount of lauric acid found in human Mother¡¯s milk, Dr. Enig suggests a rich lauric acid diet would contain about 24 grams of lauric acid daily for the average adult. This amount could be found in about 3.5 tablespoons of coconut oil or 10 ounces of ¡°Pure Coconut Milk.¡± Coconut Milk is made in Sri Lanka and imported into the United States. It can be found in health food stores and in local grocery stores in the International Foods section or in specialty grocery stores that sell products imported from Thailand, the Philippines or East India. About 7 ounces of raw coconut daily would contain 24 grams of lauric acid. 24 grams of lauric acid is the therapeutic daily dose for adults suggested by Mary Enig based on her research of the lauric acid content of mother¡¯s milk. (1)

1. Positively Well, by Lark Lands Ph.D. Her new book discusses lauric acid and suggests many treatment options for persons with AIDS or CFIDS and may be ordered by calling 905-672-7470 or 800-542-8102

SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON THE ANTI-VIRAL EFFECTS OF LAURIC ACID
Mary Enig cites 24 references in her 7 page article on ¡°Lauric Acid for HIV-infected Individuals,¡± a few of which are as follows:

1. Issacs, C.E. et al. Inactivation of enveloped viruses in human bodily fluids by purified lipids. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 1994;724:457-464.

2. Kabara, J.J. Antimicrobial agents derived from fatty acids. Journal of the American Oil Chemists Society 1984;61:397-403.

3. Hierholzer, J.C. and Kabara J.J. In vitro effects on Monolaurin compounds on enveloped RNA and DNA viruses. Journal of Food Safety 1982;4:1-12.

4. Wang, L.L. and Johnson, E.A. Inhibition of Listeria monocytogenes by fatty acids and monoglycerides. Appli Environ Microbiol 1992; 58:624-629.

5. Issacs, C.E. et al. Membrane-disruptive effect of human milk: inactivation of enveloped viruses. Journal of Infectious Diseases 1986;154:966-971.

6. Anti-viral effects of monolaruin. JAQA 1987;2:4-6 7. Issacs C.E. et al. Antiviral and antibacterial lipids in human milk and infant formula feeds. Archives of Disease in Childhood 1990;65:861-864.

Note: Enig¡¯s article in the Indian Coconut Journal has 41 reference cites. To obtain a complete set of both articles she wrote, see our order form on the last page of this newsletter.

RETURN FROM THE JUNGLE
An Interview with Chris Dafoe
May 15, 1997:

In our last newsletter, I reported on a PWA, Chris D. of Cloverdale, IN who, based on his lab numbers, thought the end was near in September, 1996. His HIV viral load was over 600,000, CD4 count was 10 and CD8 at 300. He prepaid his funeral and decided to take his last vacation in the jungles of South America with an Indian tribe in the Republic of Surinam. Around October 14, 1996, he began eating daily a dish of cooked coconut which was prepared by the local Indians. By Dec. 27th, 1996, a mere 2 and 1/2 months later, his viral load was at non-detectable levels and he had gained 32 lbs and was feeling great. Since he continued the cooked coconut for breakfast every day after he returned, both he and I agreed that something in the coconut must have inactivated the AIDS virus(s) (HIV and HHV-6A). In last my phone conversation with him in January, 1997, Chris indicated that he planned to return soon to Surinam and would be there for a few months. I did not hear from him again until April 28th, 1997.

Mark: Welcome back. How are you doing?

Chris: I feel great. I have more energy that ever. I had one setback when I got shingles and had to take a prescription drug. At the time I had the shingles, my viral load increased to 5000. Since then it has dropped back to non-detectable levels.

Mark: Have you had other lab results?

Chris: My total White Blood Count (WBC) increased from 1.7 to 3.0. My RBC and HGB both have increased. My triglycerides have come down from 760 to 547. My platelets are up from 228 to 235. CD4¡¯s are up from 10 to 60. CD8¡¯s increased from 300 to 375.

Mark: Do you know of anyone else who tried the coconut treatment?

Chris: Yes, a friend with a viral load of 900,000 ate 1/2 a cooked coconut a day. After 4 weeks, his viral load dropped to around 350,000. After the second month, his viral load remained the same and his doctor added Crixivan to his protocol. He did not use AZT or 3TC. After 4 weeks, his viral load dropped to non-detectable levels.

Mark: Coconuts and Crixivan?

Chris: Yes.

Mark: Was your friend¡¯s diet the same as yours?

Chris: No. He ate red meats, hamburgers, pizza, french fries, the typical American diet.

Mark: What do you eat?

Chris: I do not eat fried foods, baked foods, red meat, hamburgers, lunch meat, french fries, pizza or bread or any products made from wheat (pasta, spaghetti). I eat raw and steamed vegetables, fruit, legumes and rice, some broiled fish and a little chicken.

Mark: It sounds like your diet is low in fat, gluten-free (no wheat products) and also free from hydrogenated fats and trans fatty acids.

Chris: That would be correct.

Mark: Did you find out why the Indians in Surinam eat cooked coconut every morning?

Chris: The Indian Chief told me that they use the coconut as the basis for all their medicines. They also use the milk from the inside of the coconut and also use other plants and herbs from the jungle to make these medicines. They eat cooked coconut every morning to help prevent illness.

Mark: How have you been making the coconut porridge every morning?

Chris: After I crack open the coconut, I peel the thin brown layer off the white meat and place 1/2 of the coconut meat in a microwave oven for 2 and 1/2 minutes. Then I run it through a food processor to make a fine paste. Then I cook it for 10 minutes and add breakfast cereal and cook them together until done.

Mark: If someone wants to contact you, would you mind giving out your e-mail address?

Chris: No. It is  dafoe@ccrtc.com

Mark: Thank you for sharing this information with our readers. Note: Chris has recently been out of town for interviews for different employment positions he is considering.

PURE COCONUT MILK - OTHER CASE REPORTS
Milwaukee, WI. Jim Prentice, whose experience with Eden, the olive leaf extract, was reported in Positive Health News, Report No 11, under the initials J.P. tried ¡°Coconut Milk¡± in May, 1997.

Around May 1st, Jim Prentice tried the coconut milk and liked it so much he drank up the whole can. Because of its heavy fat content, he later would divide it into 2 or 3 daily portions. His reaction: ¡°I love it, it makes me feel great!¡± After 3 days he reported the last traces of his neuropathy was completely gone.

Brooklyn, NY., Robert Marra tried the coconut milk but because of a gall bladder operation could not tolerate a whole can and consumed 1/2 can daily. He reported 50% of his neuropathy was gone after using it for 3 days. May 21st: In a phone call I received from Don from Jamaica, he had reported previously a persistent pain in his belly that he had had for several months. After starting to drink a large glass daily of ¡°Pure Coconut Milk¡± about a month ago, he reported the pain is completely gone.

While this report is about 5 cases, every new discovery has a beginning. The lab results in the first two cases are impressive but too small a number to draw definitive conclusions. However, the published scientific research on the antiviral properties for Monolaurin and its derivative, lauric acid, are well documented. There is a sound scientific basis for expecting broad spectrum anti-viral activity against all lipid envelope viruses from the consumption of coconuts, coconut milk and/or coconut oil.

Update: June 15th, 1997. Case No 6. This late-breaking news came too late to be printed in the hard copy of Positive Health News, Report No 14. On June 13th, a PWA from California called and told me the first lab results of any reported using canned Coconut Milk. He used 3/4 of a can of Pure Coconut Milk daily for 4 weeks. He reported his viral load for HIV dropped from 30,000 to 7,000. He used no other anti-virals. He also used some of the other immune based therapies like Naltrexone and Thymic Factors. He reported a doubling of his T cell counts (both CD4 and CD8) during the 4 week period.

THAI Kitchen Pure coconut Milk(1) and Gourmet Awards Pure Coconut Milk(2) come in 14 oz cans without added preservatives. 11 ounces contain about 24 grams of lauric acid, the therapeutic dose suggested by Mary Enig. I knew if coconut were to be widely used as a treatment for AIDS or CFIDS, we would need to find a more convenient way of using it since many people won¡¯t go through the bother of cracking, peeling and cooking their own coconuts. (Note: Do not buy ¡°Lite¡± Coconut milk. It is watered down and contains about half the lauric acid of regular coconut milk).

1. THAI Kitchens, Berkeley, CA Whole importers - 510-268-0209 E-mail:  thaikitc@crl.com

2. Gourmet Award Foods, St. Paul MN. Wholesale importers for grocery stores 612-646-2981

Since some of the lauric acid in coconut oil is converted by the body into ¡°Monolaurin¡± and the published scientific research indicates that Monolaurin dissolves the lipid membranes viruses, pure coconut oil or coconut oil found in coconut milk might be an effective, non-toxic, long term treatment for AIDS and CFIDS, inactivating not only HIV, but HHV-6A, EBV, CMV as well as other lipid envelope viruses.

Jarrow Formulas carries a ¡°Certified Organic Coconut Oil ¡°made by Omega Nutrition, Bellingham, WA. However, the demand for Organic Coconut Oil is often greater than the supply. As long as the coconut oil is natural and not hydrogenated, it should still work even if not certified ¡°organic.¡± Coconut milk and oil have three things going for it and two against. The three things for it are 1. availability 2. low cost 3. non-toxic/no side effects. The two things going against it are 1. Too few success reports at this time - only 5 persons have given feedback (although there are no failures to report either) 2. Low profit from sales - not likely to be heavily promoted in the media.

Update: A person with CFIDS whom I reported in my last newsletter who was 36 lbs underweight called me the other day to report his CD8 and CD4 counts have doubled and he has gained 15 lbs in the past 3 months. He eats 2 whole raw coconuts weekly, takes Naltrexone daily, supplementation with intestinal flora and received injections of L-Glutathione and ATP from Dr. Patricia Salvato (Houston, TX). He eats no fried foods. He eats squash daily, Okra and other vegetables. He says he is doing much better. John can be reached at  dettling@tenet.edu.

IDEAS ON HOW TO USE RAW COCONUT, COCONUT MILK OR OIL
Raw coconut - 7 ounces contains about 24 grams of lauric acid. For some persons, coconut are free for the picking. One lady in Hawaii told me ¡°we have coconuts all around here. There are several hanging in front of the window as we talk.¡± Raw coconut may be eaten plain or ground in a coffee grinder or food processor into fine tasty moist flakes that can be mixed with yogurt, applesauce or cereal.

Coconut Milk: To 2 and 1/3 cups of skim or low fat ¡°cows¡± milk add one 14 ounce can of pure coconut milk. Shake and refrigerate until used. Three 8 ounce glasses daily provides 24 grams of lauric acid. In place of regular ¡°cow¡¯s milk,¡± you may substitute lactose reduced milk or low fat soy or rice milk.

Other uses for coconut milk. Add 1/2 tsp. of vanilla to a can of coconut milk. Refrigerate. It thickens to the consistency of ice cream. Add it to dishes of berries, apple sauce or other fruits. Add coconut milk to ¡°Stir Fry vegetables¡± - Thai style with added curry.

Use coconut milk or coconut oil in place of vegetable oil for baking purposes.

Whole lemon/coconut oil drink - substitute 2 tablespoons of coconut oil (or 2/3 cup coconut milk) for 1 tbs. of olive oil. Add 3/4 cup pineapple or other fruit juice. Dose: about 12 to 14 grams of lauric acid per serving.

Add 1 scoop of Designer Protein or one packet of Immunocal to a jar and add 2/3 cup of coconut milk and 1/2 cup of fruit juice (pineapple?). Stir. Do this twice a day. This gives you 24 grams of lauric acid.

If you are Allergic to coconuts, use coconut oil
The allergy is caused by proteins in the coconut, not the oil. Mix equal parts of melted butter and coconut oil together and use it in place of pure butter on bread, potatoes and vegetables as well as for frying and baking needs.

To make a drink, add 3 and 1/2 tablespoons of coconut oil to 2 and 3/4 cups of skim or low fat milk (or soy or rice milk) and place in a blender. Add 1 teaspoon of pectin and blend. Pectin is sold in grocery stores for canning jams and jellies. Three 8 ounce glasses daily gives you 24 grams of lauric acid.

Breakfast Pancakes - substitute coconut oil for butter or vegetable oil and double the dose. Two large buckwheat pancakes containing 2 tbs. of coconut oil provide 14 grams of lauric acid.

John Finnegan in ¡°The Facts About Fats¡± recommends the following brands of coconut oil: ¡°Only Omega Nutrition make organically grown, unrefined coconut oil that is packaged in light excluding containers.¡± Omega organic coconut oil is distributed through Jarrow Formulas.

 http://www.keephope.net/report14.html

*HIV=AIDS=DEATH* is false 09.Jul.2003 13:29

GRINGO STARS

"AIDS is a cruel deception that is maintained because so many people are making money from it. Take away this money and the entire system of mythology will collapse."
-- Charles Thomas, PhD, former chair of Cell Biology department, Scripps Research Institute

What have we been told about HIV & AIDS?

The orthodox view on AIDS holds that it is caused by the virus known as HIV that is transmitted through the exchange of bodily fluids. Once infected, a person will remain well for a time, though infectious to others, before going on to develop AIDS and dying. Despite huge sums of money spent on medical research, there is still no cure, just drug therapies said to slow the progression of the disease, and regular T cell counts to measure health. A whole industry has evolved around AIDS, on which many careers and businesses depend, but which offers little hope to those affected. It works on the premise that HIV=AIDS=DEATH.

HEAL asks you to consider the following:

What have the HIV "experts" been telling us?

We are told that HIV causes AIDS.
However, many scientists assert that HIV is not the cause of AIDS.
The vast majority of people worldwide who are reported as "HIV positive" remain healthy. Also, within the AIDS risk groups, AIDS conditions may be common even in people who test HIV negative. The official "latency period" (how long it takes HIV+ people to get sick) has been stretched to 15 or more years because people labeled "HIV+" are surviving. People who test HIV positive, including AIDS patients, have no active HIV infections by standard methods of measurement. So-called viral load tests were invented by HIV researchers to try to explain why only vanishingly small quantities, if any virus, could be found. The methods used to "isolate" and detect HIV are so indirect that they may not even measure the presence of a virus. Does HIV exist? These are just a few of the reasons why we need to look beyond HIV in order to overcome AIDS."So why are people getting sick?" The epidemic of AIDS follows a dramatic worldwide increase of immunological stressors: chemical, physical, biological, mental and nutritional. People diagnosed with "AIDS" may be sick due to factors such as one or more of the following:

* misdiagnosis and mistreatment of at least 29 illnesses due to being labeled HIV. (The validity of HIV tests is challenged.)
* toxic chemotherapy with "anti-HIV" pharmaceuticals such as AZT and protease inhibitors
* direct or indirect effects of recreational drug consumption
* multiple infections, STD's and resulting over consumption of antibiotics
* foreign protein mediated immunodeficiency due to hemophtp://www.aras.ab.ca/">http://www.aras.ab.ca/
 http://www.duesberg.com/
 http://www.actupsf.com/
 http://www.thedurbandeclaration.org/

"I have a large population of HIV+ patients who have chosen not to take any anti-viral drugs. They've watched all of their friends go on the anti-viral bandwagon and die."
-- Dr. Donald Abrams: Prof. of Medicine, San Francisco General Hospital

Homeopathy is dope 09.Jul.2003 14:40

ImmyJ

Man, I am so glad that people have begun investigating natural therapies for viruses rather than the traditional "let's shut down DNA replication and protein metabolism" approach that dominated the past two decades. I work with health professionals all day. These people are so blinded by the tenants of Western medicine that they believe the absence of anti-lipid drugs is the sole cause of high cholesterol. The entire idea of a medicine based on 19th and 20th century research without referencing the 5000+ years of Eastern practice is ridiculous.

Vegans rejoice! One more step towards a totally non-destructive, global lifestyle of sharp teeth, good sex, and garbanzo beans. The more research that's performed on naturopathic remedies, the more merit for veganism.

Oh yeah, I've seen the comment from Gringo five times and I have to reply. HIV doesn't necessarily mean death and the therapies are bad shit. Agreed. But not getting yourself tested and putting others at risk for HIV is selfish and evil. Gettting tested for HIV is a social obligation; ignorance is synonymous with voluntary transmission. Getting tested protects yourself and your neighbors. Treatment is your own choice.

-ImmyJ

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

Disturbing 09.Jul.2003 16:50

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I hope I'm not the only one that finds the persistence of the myth that HIV does not cause AIDS disturbing. I certainly don't see how this posting provides any evidence to the contrary. I realize that there are many unanswered questions surrounding the HIV and AIDS epidemic and that not all of the medical approaches are effective or adequate, but claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS does nothing to solve the problem at hand but only contributes to the ignorance that many people worldwide have regarding the virus. This is not the time to lull people into a false sense of security regarding coconut milk, but to ensure that research, education, and treatment for HIV and AIDS is continued in countries in dire need of such aid, and to ensure that Americans do not reach the false conclusion that AIDS is a disease of the Third World, since this has been the focus of so much news coverage of late.
There is a massive amount of work to be done to stop the AIDS epidemic, and many rumors to dispel and people to educate, but this work does not involve promoting such unfounded claims as that which is posted above.

ImmyJ - AIDS is iatrogenic (caused by its supposed cure) - antivirals KILL 09.Jul.2003 17:05

GRINGO STARS

I'm like a broken record player - and will be until people stop believing the murderous lie that HIV is transmittable. There is NO proof of the existence of HIV, as far as many researchers are concerned. And if you get yourself tested twice at different places, telling one place you are gay and one place you are straight - you will get different test results. That is not at all scientific, is it? There are 8 different "ways" to read an HIV test, and over 60 different ways to get a false positive test result. How is this test useful? When you get a postive test result (for a bugaboo that has NEVER been isolated by the methods of virology) THEN you are given drugs that actually suppress the immune system - then you die of "AIDS." Bullshit.

I'm glad, ImmyJ, that you've seen the above comment before - now read it and research the links. Every one of the AIDS indicator illnesses (28 or so of them in all) have been known conditions for at least a century, most of them far longer. Hard drugs, poppers (proven to cause Kaposi's Sarcoma), nutritional deficits, toxic modern chemicals in air, food, water, drink, and stress - are ALL immune stressors. I wish the scientific community would act like RESEARCHERS instead of high priests circling the scientific wagons against any theory that challnges the profitable AIDS industry. The scientific community is no less immune to corruption than the political community is, so let's quit pretending that the AIDS industry has the answer.

So answer me, why do prostitutes have no more instances of AIDS than non-prostitutes? Why are the same groups of people at the same risk level as they have been since the beginning of the AIDS "epidemic?" Face it; AIDS does not act at all like a transmittable disease.

"I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all."
-- Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford (Continuum Oct. 2000)

How the SF Chronicle invented AIDS;
 http://www.whatisaids.com/howthechroninventedaids.htm

Hold the conspiracy theory 09.Jul.2003 17:21

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Yes, HIV and AIDS were originally branded as the "gay disease" in the early 80's out of ignorance and fear on the part of the heterosexual population, but since then it should have become clear to everyone that AIDS does not discriminate based on sexual orientation, nor, contrary to what the previous person said, do positive HIV test results get returned to people who are gay. Th

Hold the docile acceptance of dogma from a very profitable industry 09.Jul.2003 18:06

GRINGO STARS

There is not a single transmittable disease that acts like HIV is supposed to. You haven't answered my question as to why prostitutes have the same incidence of HIV as non-prostitutes. That alone, after decades of AIDS, should be enough to discount the HIV-as-transmittable theory. For that matter, when have drug companies EVER acted like they cares even a little about their customers. They don't - and they continue to push lethal "cures" on an unquestioning public.

I am not a lone nut - ACT UP and HEAL and AliveAndWell and many other organisations believe as I do. It's no conspiracy theory - it's simple common sense. It is often difficult to face the truth - that you were wrong are got duped. Don't feel bad - everyone begins there. You have to admit that you don't know everything (I certainly don't). The links I provided have ample studies done by competent scientists. I suggest that they are well worth looking into. People are always upset by the existance of "conspiracy theories" because it shatters the peace and makes you take intellectual responsibilty. Trust yourself.


"In defending the purchased consensus, HIV researchers use statistical methodologies shown by their inventors to be invalid and conduct experiments without any controls. They take causes for effects, correlations for causations, and constants for variables. Most important, they haven't stopped AIDS. What they have done successfully is instilled fear into human sexual relations -- an amorphous fear, which most AIDS professionals as well as journalists argue has been valuable."
-- Dr. Dave Rasnick, Biochemist, visiting scientist University of California at Berkeley (Talk Napoli, Italy, April 2001)


"AIDS is a cruel deception that is maintained because so many people are making money from it. Take away this money and the entire system of mythology will collapse."
-- Charles Thomas, PhD, former chair of Cell Biology department, Scripps Research Institute


"HIV does not cause AIDS. There is no scientific evidence that HIV can kill infected T4 cells. The true problem is that the leaders of the HIV hypothesis have been ignoring important medical facts and are blindly attributing AIDS to the HIV virus. It is very sad and frustrating to know that the AIDS establishment are giving highly toxic drugs such as AZT to pregnant women even with studies that show the depression in the immune system can be reversed by nutrition. Prescribing anti-viral drugs to AIDS patients is like putting gasoline on a fire"
-- Dr. Mohammad Ali Al-Bayati, Toxicologist and Pathologist, California

Not the first hoax cure for Aids 09.Jul.2003 19:28

Oz

It is still commonly believed in some part of Africa that sexual intercourse with a virgin female child would cure aids...the result, grown men raping infants. Spreading this myth is nearly as insidious...

The links in my first comment have numerous links - there are several links to African AIDS stories. Let me find you one since you hate to read/think outside what CNN seems to tell you.

INVENTING AN EPIDEMIC
The traditional diseases of Africa are called AIDS
An "African AIDS" primer: Here is the key point that the newspapers won't tell you. To diagnose AIDS in Africa, no HIV test is needed. The presence of the unifying agent that supposedly causes the immune deficiency, the ID of AIDS, does not have to be established. In October 1985, public health officials at a conference in Bangui, a city in the Central African Republic, established the "Bangui definition" of AIDS. Here are the major components of the definition: "prolonged fevers (for a month or more), weight loss of 10 percent or greater, and prolonged diarrhea." No HIV test required. What this meant was that many traditional African diseases, pandemic in poverty stricken areas with tropical climate, open latrines and contaminated drinking water, could be called something else with no fear of contradiction: AIDS.
By Tom Bethell - The American Spectator, April 2000
 http://healtoronto.com/africatb.html

Check this out after you're done fantasizing about doing violence to me, James;
 http://healtoronto.com/africa.html

Here, read this about "African AIDS"...
Sex And HIV: Behaviour-Change Trial Study Shows No Link;
 http://allafrica.com/stories/200303190482.html

Whatever 09.Jul.2003 23:13

James

Gringo, I'm not really interested in debating the subject with you. You're ignorant and gullible, plain and simple. I've seen first-hand the effects of AIDS on a friend. I've seen the progression. I've seen it.

I don't need you to tell me what it is. I've heard all of the myths before. My sister was telling me these stories years ago. I'm tired of it.

The crux of it is that you're part of the problem, spreading FUD, disinformation and rantings. I hope noone here is taken in by your rantings. (It seems most have not.)

Thank you James - for nothing 10.Jul.2003 00:40

GRINGO STARS

Thank you for bringing the intelligence of this discussion WAY down to your level of reasonless denial and violence. Your "whatever" response encapsulates your mental processes perfectly. You are uninterested because you have made up your mind and are going with the flow.

I've lost

'James'-- 11.Jul.2003 15:48

see above

"Most people who test positive for HIV go years before their T-Cell count falls to 350. I realize that's a post hoc argument. I'm not trying to prove the cause and effect right now. Just trying to rule out the antiretrovirals as the cause of the initial fall in T-Cell counts among HIV+ patients. "

--no one here has ever asserted that antiretrovirals are some sort of PRIMARY CAUSE of immunosuppression.

the point is --they sure ain't helping! And when there's already so little connection between HIV and immunosuppression, it makes a heck of a lot more sense to go with what you know . . . boost the patients' immune system!

and as far as "testing positive for HIV"--well, that's a CDC/Public Health requirement now . . . they give you that test even if you're just being treated for a case of gonorrhea . . . and it's *part* of the reason there are so many people out there who have tested 'positive' for HIV, but have no immunosuppressive diseases or symptoms AT ALL.

one small "what if" to think about: If you believe in the Retroviral Theory of Immunosuppresion,

what if we're following THE WRONG RETROVIRUS?? What if there's a retrovirus out there besides Gallo's HTLV-III WHICH HASN'T EVEN BEEN DISCOVERED, IDENTIFIED, OR PATENTED yet, but is present in all of the 'AIDS' patients who ever were diagnosed--and perhaps distributed much more widely? Well, get used to it--because the science of virology is going to spend the next few centuries discovering ALL KINDS of viruses and retroviruses in human pathology, many of which will do nothing at all except replicate themselves.

"P.S., I went to the website. Was there something in particular you wanted me to read? It's just more of the same, I've read the arguments before."

--NOT "arguments" . . . there are some good articles and references there. But you should really check out the long list of links which Gringo and I provided above.

and MOST importantly, READ Dr. Robert Root-Bernstein's book RETHINKING AIDS! It has excellent overviews of:

1. What is the Human Immune System (T-cells, etc.)?

2. What is a virus?

3. What is AIDS and how is it defined by the Centers for Disease Control?

4. What is the nature of immune suppression, and how the AIDS patients are affected by it

5. Contribution of immunosuppressive behaviors and environment to the condition of AIDS patients

and so on . . .

please, READ THAT BOOK, James!

Oh Ya 11.Jul.2003 15:52

ImmyJ

So we're to wait 20 years, stop testing people for HIV, and hope that future research turns out in our favor? Risky, at best, and I'm sure the families of everyone that dies during that time are going to be really pleased if, in 20 years, the old guard still makes its case. As for pharmaceutical companies, fuck 'em. Alternative therapies are the best. No doubt that they'