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'We Found the Hack' on Diebold-owned Black-Box Voting Machines

 http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/1995.html

Interesting thread over at Democratic Underground for those having any curiosity about this. Seems like something nefarious has been found dealing Diebold voting machines, involving as many as 30 states, and going back to 1998.

I'm going to forward this to all my contacts and suggest that anyone who knows of Bev Harris and the project with which she has preoccupied herself for several years, should do the same.
"Black Box Voting -- we found the hack. S.O.S."
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/1995.html

Interesting thread over at Democratic Underground for those having any curiosity about this. Seems like something nefarious has been found dealing Diebold voting machines, involving as many as 30 states, and going back to 1998.

I'm going to forward this to all my contacts and suggest that anyone who knows of Bev Harris and the project with which she has preoccupied herself for several years, should do the same.


Bev Harris's Smoking Gun On Diebold Voting Machines


Well, Bev Harris may have done it with some help of the Democratic Underground and BartCop forums. She has been working on something special for 3 weeks or so. The people involved moved the activity off the forums for self preservation. I check BartCop every day for her posts. Looks like something very big broke last night on Democratic Underground.

I found the first post on BartCop this morning. A link goes to the DU post by Bev:

NEWS: Black Box Voting -- we found the hack. S.O.S. , with comments
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/1995.html

Forum Name Bartcop Forum
Topic subject Did Bev Harris find the smoking gun on Diebold?

 link to bartcopnation.com

Did Bev Harris find the smoking gun on Diebold?
Posted by GGM on Wed Dec-31-69 03:00 PM

Interesting thread over at Democratic Underground for those having any curiosity about this. Seems like something nefarious has been found, involving as many as 30 states, and going back to 1998.

 http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/1995.html

NEWS: Black Box Voting -- we found the hack. S.O.S.

LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-03 AT 09:42 PM (ET) I will post at least one thread a day on DU. If for some reason you don't see me posting any more, that's a bad sign.

There are others working on this as well. I will check in with a source who will check in with each of them daily, and we'll make sure no one disappears.

That being said, I am putting anyone who is following this on notice: The files and the proof have been distributed to a network. That network has distributed them to their network. Those people have been invited to distribute to their network.

The milk is spilled, and if anything happens to any one investigating this, everyone at each level of the networks, and their networks, has been notified to consider that a trigger to blow the story open.

Lawyers have been engaged. We are now working with the level of attorneys who protect activists from the government, in high profile cases. We will henceforth be following the advice of counsel.

What was on that Diebold ftp site? I'm told that the identified files are the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers, perhaps worse.

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
 http://www.blackboxvoting.com

On edit: I was asked to post this so people will know the evidence has been thoroughly seeded, and that any attempt to muzzle those who worked on it will trigger much more attention on a much bigger scale. the credit. I'm feeling really bad seeing all the "kudos to Bev." They belong to someone else, and I hope those people can receive appropriate credit as soon as possible.

story moving on with updates every day

homepage: homepage: http://www.blackboxvoting.com


Okay 01.Jul.2003 15:43

James

So they found "the hack." What is it? They don't say. They just say they found it. And if someone kills them, they'll release it to the world.

Whaaaaat?

Get back to me if they release verifiable details.

'James'-- 01.Jul.2003 16:28

see above

"Get back to me if they release verifiable details."

--YOU are the one,

if you care to,

who needs to follow up (links and references have been provided).

though with your disparaging attitude [rather similar to a DISINFORMATIONALIST TROLL], why bother?
---------------------
It seems Bev & Co. have now found the actual hack code used to either allow access for individuals to CHANGE THE VOTING RESULTS or make it happen automatically

The files and the proof have been distributed to a network. That network has distributed them to their network. Those people have been invited to distribute to their network. If anything happens to any one investigating this, everyone at each level of the networks, and their networks, has been notified to consider that a trigger to blow the story open. Lawyers have been engaged. We are now working with the level of attorneys who protect activists from the government, in high profile cases. We will henceforth be following the advice of counsel.

Oh my God 01.Jul.2003 16:45

James

At this moment, I find myself extraordinarily frustrated.

Did anyone else follow the links? They don't say anything. Nothing at all. It's just innuendo, hype and beguilement.

"See Above" -- I did follow the links. (Indeed, they were all basically the same thing.) I did read them. And they didn't say anything. "Changing the votes" is not a hack -- that's a result. The hack is the method by which they're able to do it.

You accuse me of being a "disinformationalist troll" -- yet I didn't even provide any information. All I did was comment on the fact that those links say nothing other than "We found the hack. We're not going to tell you what it is. But we found it." I mean, how can that be disinformation? It's the truth! Just follow the link!

Posts like yours discourage me from posting at all, and indeed, I may stop coming here, since it seems to be such a waste of time lately.

link doesn't work 01.Jul.2003 16:48

cyclopatra

got another one?

'James', 'cyclopatra'-- 01.Jul.2003 17:36

THIS LINK WORKS.

 link to bartcopnation.com

for some reason, the Democratic Underground link has been disabled.

otherwise, check the Black Box Voting home page over the next several days.

and 'James'--

stop it with the faux distress and concern, willya?


bartcopnation link works... 01.Jul.2003 18:09

but the important link doesn't work

but all it says is that the DU link is really interesting. And the DU link doesn't work. so what's the point? hey, look, there used to be a really interesting thing over here, but it's gone now?

simple proof 01.Jul.2003 18:11

me

I followed the same links James did and came to the same conclusion.

There's a LOT of talk about the big secret and whether it's real or not ... but no information at all about what the big secret is.

There's also a LOT of innuendo about black-ops, making people disappear and various other paranoid statements like, "if anyone disappears this will be released all over the world", but no credible information.

Finally, there's the interesting notion that Bev Harris is about to release a book on this. What better way to prepublicize a book release than to start a whisper campaign?

I know ... to find out the truth, all we have to do is have someone kill Bev Harris. According to this "information", we'll see the truth on the front page of every newspaper in the world the very next morning.

just one more note... 01.Jul.2003 18:17

REPOST of this thing here

i did get a chance to read the DU thread before it mysteriously disappeared. maybe, perhaps, DU deletes it's old threads on a daily basis to create more space on the server or something. i don't know... but the thread didn't really have any specific info anyways.

but anyways, the press in this kind of a situation will either help you or hurt you. they may take your story and run with it, or they may kill it. all it takes is a phone call from "someone very powerful" to the editor, and if the editor wants to keep his job, he will disappear the story. if a news agency asks for exclusive rights to a story, and some unwitting fool signs the contract, that means the news agency could just as well take it and bury it as report it.

i just want to say that if this is true, if this isn't some kind of an attention getting joke, that the hard part is yet to come. when you have a bombshell, how you play it becomes just as important as the story itself.


to 'simple proof'-- 01.Jul.2003 18:20

??

"There's also a LOT of innuendo about black-ops, making people disappear and various other paranoid statements like, "if anyone disappears this will be released all over the world", but no credible information. "

--you mean,

like the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction?

to "??" 01.Jul.2003 20:16

me

Yeah, a lot like that.

Except this has a different thrust -- "We have the deep, dark super secret of the ages and the illuminati will kill us if we don't use letter drops and dead-man switches and other cool spy stuff"

What puzzles me -- if they truly believe this, why publish a book? That can't be a very secure way of getting the information out. Any number of people have access to the proofs, as Ms Rowling recently found out.

It seems a safer approach would be to blast it all over the Internet. The preparation can be virtually anonymous and the distribution would be virtually instantaneous. Publishing a book takes time and is anything but secure.

But starting a whisper campaign (psst -- the secret is about to be released, but we'll be killed if we're found out too soon) just prior to publishing a book sounds like shrewd tactics -- if your goal is selling books.

to 'me' 01.Jul.2003 20:38

??

"book sounds like shrewd tactics -- if your goal is selling books."

--you seem pretty obsessed by the idea of book selling.

however, my guess--as a professional editor who formerly worked at a medium-sized book publisher--is that you don't know or understand the first thing about it.

the ONLY authors who "make money" from individual book sales are the multi-million selling ones,

e.g. Tom Clancy, Daniel Steele, Michael Moore.

and I won't even begin going into the biased, slanted way that a book manufacturing and publishing contract is worded and negotiated, by the publisher, towards authors.

don't take it from me.

go ahead--ask any author who has EVER had published any type of book, how big and frequent their actual royalty checks are. (most book authors keep their day jobs . . .)

Being the author of a book is--moneywise--one of the worst career moves imaginable.

(unless you're SURE you can sell tens of millions of copies)

to "??" 01.Jul.2003 21:14

me

Ah -- no doubt you're right. No-one makes money on books except the megahit writers.

Thus, the only logical conclusion we're left with is that the hints and innuendoes only seem that way. The absolute lack of concrete information is only apparent rather than real. What I've called a whisper campaign is in fact based on reality -- even paranoids have enemies. Occam's razor has gone dull and rusty through under use.

Let's revert to my original plan and kill Bev Harris so the dead-man switch is triggered, the information is released and we can find out what the hell's going on.

The DU link works 01.Jul.2003 21:43

Mulberry Sellers

Just like it did when I read the entire thread earlier today. No mysterious disappearance here.

So far, unfortunately, all we have are assertions that a "hack" has been found in source code obtained from an insecure Diebold ftp server. There's been nothing published about the nature of the code, what it does, what it was installed in, etc.

Were I to try to break a story of this nature, I'd want some seriously heavy-duty expertise from multiple people involved in evaluating the find and doucmenting exactly what it does and how. Seriously heavy-duty as in "doctoral degree in CS and lots of relevant experience in related systems". That's for two reasons: 1. to lend credibility to the analysis and 2. to avoid the risk of raising the roof about what you think you've found, only to be proven wrong.

Another thing that's occurred to me: computers don't actually run source code. What actually runs on the system is the object code compiled from the source. If I wanted to design fraud into an electronic voting system, I'd try to avoid writing the nefarious stuff in a high-level language, where it might be obvious to the trained eye, should one happen to see the source code. It would be much tidier to do the cheats with a few obscure machine-language routines that aren't documented in the source; in fact, I'd probably handle putting in the calls to those routines by dicking with the object code after it's been compiled, to avoid having suspicious-looking procedure or function calls show up in the source listing.

That brings up another problem with electronic voting systems. Simply demanding that the software be open-source isn't enough to guarantee against fraud. You need tight procedures to make absolutely certain that the machine code that actually runs is in fact generated by the properly reviewed open-source listing by a compiler which is known not to be compromised, and not something that does something else entirely.

Thanks to Mulberry Sellers 01.Jul.2003 22:21

skeptic

for your valuable and informed input.

we look forward to hearing and learning more as the 'story so far' develops . . .

is anyone going to explain what the story is? 02.Jul.2003 00:41

sick of links

seriously, though, how hard is it to post some of the info from these links, or at least give us a synopsis of what this supposedly incredible story is all about

or maybe this story is too big to actually explain

I followed one link and found more of the above mentioned gibberish about people disappearing, but no explanation as to why that would happen

to "sick of links" 02.Jul.2003 07:57

me

It's hard to explain the story because the links merely lead to exactly what's posted here, along with discussion about what it might mean and whether it's real. What you see in the original article at top is all there is from the original writer. Everything else is other folks commenting on it. So, there's little to no actual information.

Reading between the lines and making some heavy assumptions, what I get is this:

There is supposed to be a flaw in the software used by Diebold's voting system in tallying votes. The flaw would allow virtually anyone to break into the system and change the final tally -- controlling the outcome. This was discovered by the estimable Bev Harris after 3 weeks or several years (both timeframes are used) of research. The flaw was actually used to manipulate election outcomes -- including the last presidential fiasco in Florida. The implications of that are so spooky and dire that the selfless researchers fear for their lives and are using this arcane and convoluted method to hint at, but not reveal the information which places them in danger.

That's it -- everything else is speculation on what the ramifications might be if the story is true. Needless to say, if true, the ramifications are profound and enormous.

No Hack, No Vanishing 09.Jul.2003 11:16

Made Up

Of course we should also keep in mind that with the widespread use of electronic communications we also need to find out... whether anyone knows "Bev Harris". If she doesn't exist, it would be quite understandable if she were to vanish quite thoroughly.

Bev Harris is for real 09.Jul.2003 18:52

A Duer shirlden@aol.com

All you doubters should go to this link where the first of several reports is being posted.
www.scoop.co.nz/Mason/Stories/HL0307/S00064.htm

This site has been very busy over the last 24 hours, but keep trying.