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Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair

The playwright Harold Pinter last night likened George W Bush's administration to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, saying the US was charging towards world domination while the American public and Britain's "mass-murdering" prime minister sat back and watched.
Pinter blasts 'Nazi America' and 'deluded idiot' Blair

Angelique Chrisafis and Imogen Tilden
Wednesday June 11, 2003
The Guardian

The playwright Harold Pinter last night likened George W Bush's administration to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany, saying the US was charging towards world domination while the American public and Britain's "mass-murdering" prime minister sat back and watched.

Pinter, 72, was at the National Theatre in London to read from War, a new collection of his anti-war poetry that had been published in the press in response to events in Iraq.

In conversation on stage with Michael Billington, the Guardian's theatre critic, Pinter said the US government was the most dangerous power that had ever existed.

The American detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where al-Qaida and Taliban suspects were being held, was a concentration camp.

The US population had to accept responsibility for allowing an unelected president to take power and the British were exhausted from protesting and being ignored by Tony Blair, a "deluded idiot" Pinter hoped would resign.

After a big operation for cancer, Pinter returned to public life last year to speak out against American belligerence. He called it a return from a "personal nightmare" to an "infinitely more pervasive public nightmare".

The playwright said: "The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany.

"Nazi Germany wanted total domination of Europe and they nearly did it. The US wants total domination of the world and is about to consolidate that.

"In a policy document, the US has used the term 'full-spectrum domination', that means control of land, sea, air and space, and that is exactly what's intended and what the US wants to fulfil. They are quite blatant about it."

Pinter blamed "millions of totally deluded American people" for not staging a mass revolt.

He said that because of propaganda and control of the media, millions of Americans believed that every word Mr Bush said was "accurate and moral".

The US population could not be let off scot-free for putting the country under the control of an "illegally elected president - in other words, a fake".

He asked: "What objections have there been in the US to Guantanamo Bay? At this very moment there are 700 people chained, padlocked, handcuffed, hooded and treated like animals. It is actually a concentration camp.

"I haven't heard anything about the US population saying: 'We can't do this, we are Americans.' Nobody gives a damn. And nor does Tony Blair." Pinter added: "Blair sees himself as a representative of moral rectitude. He is actually a mass murderer. But we forget that - we are as much victims of delusions as Americans are."

In a British society where people were increasingly encouraged not to use their brains, the only way to protest was by "thought, intelligence and solidarity".

homepage: homepage: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,975048,00.html
address: address: Guardian UK


As Spock would say... 12.Jun.2003 19:12

PHH

Crude... But effective.

Nope, just crude. 12.Jun.2003 22:32

not buying it

Like the sign above says, "same shit, different asshole." Pretty much sums up the content of this article. This kind of crap does nothing to outrage anyone, change anyone's mind or build support for your cause. Comparing America 2003 to Nazi Germany is like an advertisement for toothpaste that shows a picture of a person with rotting, disgusting teeth and exclaiming that "if you don't use this toothpaste your teeth will look like this." It's over-sensational, inaccurate and hyped to the point of ridiculousness.

Please explain 12.Jun.2003 23:25

I want to believe

That is the difference between Bush and Hitler?

If anyone knows a reason to suport Bush 12.Jun.2003 23:31

Bill Carson

Tell it to us now. Now is the time.

question for 'not buying it'-- 13.Jun.2003 00:10

OK

so, you're not buying it.

then--

WHAT *ARE* YOU DOING ABOUT IT? (being an apologist or collaborator?)

"In a policy document, the US has used the term 'full-spectrum domination', that means control of land, sea, air and space, and that is exactly what's intended and what the US wants to fulfil. They are quite blatant about it."

Support Bush, or don't Suppport Bush 13.Jun.2003 15:18

not buying it

I'm not a Bush supporter, apologist or collaborator. It's just that this type of BS - drawing comparisons where none can be made - is simply inaccurate. If you want to call Bush a Hitler, then go right ahead. You will be ignored by clear-thinking people. If you think the atrocities committed by Bush are the same as the atrocities committed by Hitler you are on the wrong side of history and need to go back and study some more. Bush an angel? No. But a Hitler he is not. Hitler was a great progagandist and so are you. What does that make you?

the similarities are there 13.Jun.2003 15:54

not buying not buying it

It's true that Bush's atrocities have not yet risen to the level of Hitler's, but no one is making that point. What people are observing is that Bush's rise to power and subsequent policies while in office bear a striking resembelense to Hitler's (although I'm thinking there are also a striking similarity to Mussolini, particular with reagard to corporations). Many people in germany (and around the world) saw what was coming in the early days of Hitler's reign just as many in the united states (and around the world) see what is coming now, in the early days of the Bush reign. With both we have seen massive restrictions on civil liberties and rights along with an equally massive increase in police and surveilance powers, unparalleled increase in miltary spending, invasions in the name of defense, non-stop lying for governmental officials, speeches repleat with christian imagery and rhetoric, media fueled nationalism and intolerance for democracy and the democratic process. If you don't buy it that's fine but many people do, and it would be a mistake to assume that you are right because you are more "clear-thinking." Remember that Hitler himself was not a great propagandist (like Bush, he couldn't read or write particularly well, but had great speech writers and could deliver the speeches in a convincing way), but he employed many who were and let's not forget who hired as many of them as they could after the war.

'not buying it'--what does that make YOU? 13.Jun.2003 19:15

OK

WHAT *ARE* YOU DOING ABOUT IT?

who are you, 'not buying it'?

why are you BOTHERING to comment on this topic thread--why are you here, anyway?

just for a little intellectual semantics game?

who do you represent (besides yourself)?

what social group, morals, or ideology do you represent?

and WHAT ARE **YOU** DOING in regards to PNAC and the Bush administration's plans for global dominion?

pinter is right! 13.Jun.2003 19:16

repost

of course there are millions of us in America who agree completely with Harold Pinter's analysis. we have tried mass rallies--200,000 in San Francisco, 100,000 in DC, 250,000 in New York, 30,000 in Boston, 60,000 in Seattle, 10,000 in Chicago--but the administration brushes them off as "focus groups." There is seemingly no unity of opposition in the Democratic Party, the majority of whom have sold their souls to corporate interests long ago. This is a long hard struggle for us and the fate of the world is at stake.

So, everyone must know that we Americans, we REAL Americans are sickened by the fiends who have siezed power in this country. We ARE Americans! We ARE NOT a bunch of liars, thieves and bullies!

Now the world must unite in the struggle against an insidious octopus which has wrenched the US war machine away from the rightful mandate of the US Congress, has bastardized the Constitution of the United States, has bought off the major media outlets and turned them into ridiculous propaganda mills, and vows to smash anyone who disagrees with them.

Consider our position and what we are up against. Then consider those of us who publicly decry the evil bastards who unleash the fury of the US Armed Forces based on lies and deception. We are not painting the world in white and black. We are not saying "you are with us or you are against us." Those peurile dichotomies are not, cannot represent the diversity of our great nation.

But in the meantime, we are asking that you refrain from painting all US citizens as some lackeys of George Bush, watching idly as he creates his own Gestapo. Bush, Cheney, and the rotten gang of convicted felons and murderers who they appointed to high office do NOT represent the people of the United States. There are, I admit, far too many people today who are pistolwhipped by the venomous threats coming out the White House, they are basically paralyzed by fear and pumped up on false information. But there are those of us who know that the the precious ideals of Liberty and Democracy, and due process of law shall NEVER be cast aside by those fascists. Oh yes, we resist! We dissent from all policies based on destruction and infinite war! We are the Patriots, and we shall stand shoulder to shoulder to build a new nation. We shall rebuild a nation that shares its destiny with all nations, and we shall hold our heads high knowing that Americans do not lie, kill, and steal. All those now beating us down will be held responsible for their crimes against the constitution of the United States and for their crimes against humanity for misuse of power. We are going to rebuild our nation and our democracy, brick by brick, whether it takes twenty years or a hundred years. Nobody is going to stop us, and we are NOT going away!

Yes, fascism is definitely on the rise in the actions and policies of the Bush administration, but we are going to reverse that evil. Please reach out to join us, keep up the pressure on the rotten Bush administration. No matter how long it takes, the liars steering the United States into disaster are going down, and history will not be kind to them.


'not buying it' = DISINFORMATIONALIST 13.Jun.2003 19:26

xxx

"If you think the atrocities committed by Bush are the same as the atrocities committed by Hitler you are on the wrong side of history and need to go back and study some more."

--NOTHING in the original article says anything like this. NO ONE here besides YOU has insinuated this.

STAY ON TOPIC, troll.

p.s.--if you're attempting to derail this discussion thread in the service of your millionaire masters, then remember this:

YOU are on the wrong side of history . . . and will be held accountable quite soon

commentary-US/Germany 1933 14.Jun.2003 09:24

mike

The gang of co-conspirators enacting their global shake-downs out of the White House are liable for prosecution along with Rumsfeld's former, soured business partner, Saddam (1983). Operation Iraqi Liberation= OIL.

The U.S. has watered down the flames of liberty to mere embers with its Patriot and Homeland Security Acts, the singular most hysterical and reactionary legislation passed in U.S. history (the real days of infamy).

Then there's the Total(itarian) Information Act and Patriot Act II. Patriot Act II is the administration's final, planned stomping out of those embers, which awaits another domestic attack so Bush and Co. can haul it out of the dark shadows of the White House and coerce Congress into making it legislation, thus sealing a dismal future for a very set-up American public. Now we have CAPS II--an airline computerized profiling system.

Nazi Germany passed legislation as these to nullify the German Constitution, euphemistically named the Decree for the Protection of the People and State (1933), as is the Patriot Act. The Enabling Act, like the Patriot, also had a sunset clause, ultimately discarded by herr diktator. Republicans are now attempting to take the sunset clause out of the Patriot Act in the U.S. This comes as no surprize.

It's instructive to consider the 1946 Nuremberg renderings. Most importantly, the tribunal concluded that the primary crime of the Nazi regime was its decapitation of the Constitution, effectively handing Hitler a full-blown dictatorship-- thus enabling totalitarianism and the rest of the crimes to happen. A creeping fascism is finding its legs.

Hitleresque, Bush declares we have a common enemy, but if he is everywhere then he is nowhere.

Hitleresque, Bush has a conspiracy theory--from every nook and cranny, terrorists conspire to destroy our freedom. Like a quick-witted thief, Bush, who has stolen our limited democracy (to what end?) points to the guy down the street and cries, "Thief."

Hitleresque, the Bush administration deploys tactics of dubious persuasion, appealing to our sense of nationalism and patriotism, the homeland, and moral values.

Like Hitler's New Order, the Bushes have their resurrected version: New World Order.

Like Hitler (a Christian), Bush bellows a short-timed ultimatum, a distraction from a widening exposure of his gang's forgery on the Iraqi nuclear program.

Hitleresque, Bush and Ridge issue fake terror alerts when things start to go awry-- also intended, along with war, to keep public focus off of certain legislation.

Like Hitler and all totalitarians, Bush and his gang operate in secrecy (essentially nullifying the FOIA, refusing to appear before Congressional Committees, etc.)

Like Hitler, Bush and gang aspire to rule the world by force. The rest of the world's opinions are irrelevant.

Most Americans are unaware that the Bush family tree bears bitter Nazi fruit. The grandfather, Prescott, and the father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were the managing directors of companies funneling laundered money and strategic materiels to Nazi Germany. These companies were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, and were characterized as Nazi front organizations.

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and
child of this great nation. We must take steps to
ensure our domestic security and protect our
homeland." (Hitler) President Bush's teleprompter must beam directly out of Gobbels's propaganda manual.

All roads lead to deja who?

XXX needs to quit reading porn 14.Jun.2003 11:01

Picture books

"If you think the atrocities committed by Bush are the same as the atrocities committed by Hitler you are on the wrong side of history and need to go back and study some more."

--NOTHING in the original article says anything like this. NO ONE here besides YOU has insinuated this. "

XXX pay attention yourself! The picture at the top of the page says "Same Shit Different Asshole." So, yes it was insinuated at the very beginning of the thread. You're the troll.

Mike's commentary pretty much sums it up for me... 'nough said.

to 'Picture books'-- 14.Jun.2003 12:54

who the fuck cares--and b.t.w., FUCK YOU

YOU are the one who needs to head back to the Big Macs, child porn, Britney and Fox News, 'Picture books'--

YOU are the DISINFORMATIONALIST TROLL.

READ it again, fuck-wad:

NOTHING in the original article says anything like this. NO ONE here besides YOU has insinuated this.

THAT'S RIGHT--

NOTHING in the original article says anything like this. NO ONE here besides YOU has insinuated this.

take what you want from the picture, 'Picture books'--

if anything, it agrees 100% with what 'mike' said in his comment. ESPECIALLY regarding the *early* rise to power of Adolf Hitler.

SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT ASSHOLE:

commentary-US/Germany 1933 14.Jun.2003 09:24

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

mike


The gang of co-conspirators enacting their global shake-downs out of the White House are liable for prosecution along with Rumsfeld's former, soured business partner, Saddam (1983). Operation Iraqi Liberation= OIL.

The U.S. has watered down the flames of liberty to mere embers with its Patriot and Homeland Security Acts, the singular most hysterical and reactionary legislation passed in U.S. history (the real days of infamy).

Then there's the Total(itarian) Information Act and Patriot Act II. Patriot Act II is the administration's final, planned stomping out of those embers, which awaits another domestic attack so Bush and Co. can haul it out of the dark shadows of the White House and coerce Congress into making it legislation, thus sealing a dismal future for a very set-up American public. Now we have CAPS II--an airline computerized profiling system.

Nazi Germany passed legislation as these to nullify the German Constitution, euphemistically named the Decree for the Protection of the People and State (1933), as is the Patriot Act. The Enabling Act, like the Patriot, also had a sunset clause, ultimately discarded by herr diktator. Republicans are now attempting to take the sunset clause out of the Patriot Act in the U.S. This comes as no surprize.

It's instructive to consider the 1946 Nuremberg renderings. Most importantly, the tribunal concluded that the primary crime of the Nazi regime was its decapitation of the Constitution, effectively handing Hitler a full-blown dictatorship-- thus enabling totalitarianism and the rest of the crimes to happen. A creeping fascism is finding its legs.

Hitleresque, Bush declares we have a common enemy, but if he is everywhere then he is nowhere.

Hitleresque, Bush has a conspiracy theory--from every nook and cranny, terrorists conspire to destroy our freedom. Like a quick-witted thief, Bush, who has stolen our limited democracy (to what end?) points to the guy down the street and cries, "Thief."

Hitleresque, the Bush administration deploys tactics of dubious persuasion, appealing to our sense of nationalism and patriotism, the homeland, and moral values.

Like Hitler's New Order, the Bushes have their resurrected version: New World Order.

Like Hitler (a Christian), Bush bellows a short-timed ultimatum, a distraction from a widening exposure of his gang's forgery on the Iraqi nuclear program.

Hitleresque, Bush and Ridge issue fake terror alerts when things start to go awry-- also intended, along with war, to keep public focus off of certain legislation.

Like Hitler and all totalitarians, Bush and his gang operate in secrecy (essentially nullifying the FOIA, refusing to appear before Congressional Committees, etc.)

Like Hitler, Bush and gang aspire to rule the world by force. The rest of the world's opinions are irrelevant.

Most Americans are unaware that the Bush family tree bears bitter Nazi fruit. The grandfather, Prescott, and the father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were the managing directors of companies funneling laundered money and strategic materiels to Nazi Germany. These companies were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, and were characterized as Nazi front organizations.

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and
child of this great nation. We must take steps to
ensure our domestic security and protect our
homeland." (Hitler) President Bush's teleprompter must beam directly out of Gobbels's propaganda manual.

All roads lead to deja who?


to 'Picture books'-- 14.Jun.2003 13:27

xxx (lowercase)

p.s.--if you're attempting to derail this discussion thread in the service and defense of your millionaire masters, then remember this:

YOU are on the wrong side of history . . . and will be held accountable quite soon.