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Is PGE creating an "astroturf" campaign against public power?

PGE's advertising and PR agency, Gard & Gerber, is behind phony grassroots movement. While that doesn't DEFINITIVELY prove that PGE is behind it, I have a hard time thinking of anyone else with enough money to fork out to a high-powered ad agency to do such a thing.
So, what have we here? www.citizensagainstthegovernmenttakeover.com, a site claiming to be a grassroots anti-PUD campaign.

Well, now, let's just see what our old friend whois has to say about that:

[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: CITIZENSAGAINSTTHEGOVERNMENTTAKEOVER.COM
   Registrar: INNERWISE, INC. D/B/A ITSYOURDOMAIN.COM
   Whois Server: whois.itsyourdomain.com
   Referral URL: http://www.itsyourdomain.com
   Name Server: NS.JTLNET.COM
   Name Server: NS3.JTLNET.COM
   Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
   Updated Date: 14-apr-2003
   Creation Date: 14-apr-2003
   Expiration Date: 14-apr-2004


>gt;>gt;>gt; Last update of whois database: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:55:52 EDT 
Now let's wander on over to www.gardandgerber.com. Hmmm, lookie here! A client list. And who's featured on it? You have but one guess.

What's really galling is that they're using our rate dollars to lie to us like this.


repost; corrected formatting errors; please delete original 10.Jun.2003 22:54

N. Tesla

So, what have we here? www.citizensagainstthegovernmenttakeover.com, a site claiming to be a grassroots anti-PUD campaign.

Well, now, let's just see what our old friend whois has to say about that:

[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

   Domain Name: CITIZENSAGAINSTTHEGOVERNMENTTAKEOVER.COM
   Registrar: INNERWISE, INC. D/B/A ITSYOURDOMAIN.COM
   Whois Server: whois.itsyourdomain.com
   Referral URL: http://www.itsyourdomain.com
   Name Server: NS.JTLNET.COM
   Name Server: NS3.JTLNET.COM
   Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
   Updated Date: 14-apr-2003
   Creation Date: 14-apr-2003
   Expiration Date: 14-apr-2004


>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:55:52 EDT <<<

[ much deleted for sake of brevity -NT ]

 Domain: citizensagainstthegovernmenttakeover.com

 Registrant (AB955-IYD-REG)
   annette bryan
   gard & gerber
   abryan@gardandgerber.com
   209 sw oak st
   portland, oregon 97204 US 
   +1.1111110100

[ yet more deleted - NT ]
Now let's wander on over to www.gardandgerber.com. Hmmm, lookie here! A client list. And who's featured on it?

You have but one guess.

What's really galling is that they're using our rate dollars to lie to us like this.


not just rate dollars 10.Jun.2003 22:54

propaganda detector

But also the rate dollars that should have come back into the state in the form of taxes, 250 million dollars worth. But hey, who could expect them to pay to help the state when their own interests are jeopardized. BTW, I exposed the astroturf nature of the previous public takeover article but I'll copy it here for convenience:

"Devil's Adversary" says:

The estimated $1 billion needed to take over the distribution systems from Pacific Power and PGE won't include a AA battery's worth of electricity. The condemnation on the service territories of these companies are very unlikely to include any power generating assets. If PUD backers think they are going to take over PGE's generation, they are in for a fight. If they think they're going to take over Pacific Power/Pacificorp generating assets, they are seriously deluded. The new PUD won't have very advantageous dealings with BPA as a power supplier. The PUD won't inherit any of long term contracts that PGE or Pacific Power hold with BPA. They'll have to make new agreements. BPA rates have gone up 45% in two years and they're set to go up another 15% this year.
Judi Johansen, president and CEO, PacifiCorp, Portland (taken from http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2003/03/31/editorial4.html) says:
Based on the proponents' own cost estimates (which we believe to be too low), the new utility would have to incur thousands in debt for each customer in the county just to buy the existing distribution systems. That's before they've purchased a single kilowatt-hour of energy. A startup utility of the kind proposed by OPPC would face a very uncertain energy environment. The new startup utility will own insufficient generating facilities. Bonneville Power Administration, after increasing its rates by nearly 45 percent since September 2001, will impose an additional 15 percent surcharge to its rates later this year. It would be risky for this startup agency to venture into the highly volatile field of electric supply procurement to meet the needs of Multnomah County's electric consumers—and 100 percent of the risk would be borne by those consumers.
We don't need weblogs to see through such obvious bullshit propaganda as this. This just proves how desperate they are to hold onto their exploitive profits.

missing data 10.Jun.2003 23:05

propaganda detector

Looks like the domain data didn't come through completely so here it is (with a screenshot of the previously mentioned client list in case it should disappear down the memory hole):

Domain: citizensagainstthegovernmenttakeover.com

Registrant (AB955-IYD-REG)
annette bryan
gard & gerber
 abryan@gardandgerber.com
209 sw oak st
portland, oregon 97204 US
+1.1111110100

Administrative (AB1389-IYD)
annette bryan
gard & gerber
 abryan@gardandgerber.com
209 sw oak st
portland, oregon 97204 US
+1.1111110100

Billing (AB1389-IYD)
annette bryan
gard & gerber
 abryan@gardandgerber.com
209 sw oak st
portland, oregon 97204 US
+1.1111110100

Technical (AB1389-IYD)
annette bryan
gard & gerber
 abryan@gardandgerber.com
209 sw oak st
portland, oregon 97204 US
+1.1111110100

Record created on April 14, 2003
Record last updated on April 14, 2003
Record expires on April 14, 2004

Domain Name Servers:
NS3.JTLNET.COM
NS.JTLNET.COM
Screenshot of Gard & Gerber Client List
Screenshot of Gard & Gerber Client List

sorry tesla 10.Jun.2003 23:25

propaganda detector

Your first comment hadn't appeared when I posted mine. Didn't mean to duplicate your efforts, just wanted to make sure the info was posted.

about deleting 10.Jun.2003 23:31

pdxtech

We can't delete a post and replace it with a comment. Normally, if someone wants to reformat a post they post a new article and then ask for the old one to be hidden. In this case, since you were able to add the missing information it would seem best just to leave things as they are. I hope this is acceptable to you.

how/why 10.Jun.2003 23:48

The One True b!X's PORTLAND COMMUNIQUE

Out of curiosity, how did you manage to even discover this Citizens site existed? And what prompted you to run a whois on it?


i can't speak for tesla 10.Jun.2003 23:56

propaganda detector

But I first saw the website on this post:  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/266190.shtml

As for running it through whois... best to run everything through whois; at least that way you have some idea who is behind the information.

response to b!x 11.Jun.2003 09:19

N. Tesla

Out of curiosity, how did you manage to even discover this Citizens site existed? And what prompted you to run a whois on it?
Let's just say a little birdie told me about it. And running whois (and for that matter traceroute) is a simple and obvious way to help deduce who's behind a site.