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A Question for all you Bush-Bashers

I have a question for you..
Why do you spend all of your time bashing George W. Bush?

One thing I have noticed about the so-called Indpendent Media and self-styled activists is the fact that you spend an inordinate amout time Bashing George W. Bush as opposed to addressing the real enemy, the American Empire itself.

Most recently, there have been numerous "revelations" in the Mainstream media concerning the obvious lies about "Weapons of Mass Destruction" used to justify America's invasion of Iraq. Many people have seized upon this issue to call for the impeachment of George W. Bush, as if this would fundamentally change anything.

In case, you hadn't realized yet, the United States of Amerika in general has been manipulating and lying about the Weapons of Mass Destruction for the PAST TWELVE YEARS to justify first its genocidial economic sanctions on Iraq, its periodic bombing of that nation (under Bill Clinton), and now finally its invasion and colonizaton of that country.

It is not only George Bush, or the Bush Regime that is guilty. It is the entire American Establishment, which includes both wings of the Republicrat Party, the Lying American "free" press, and all the other institutions of Imperialist America.

The idea that we should 'write our elected [sic] representatives in Congress' in order to beg for an "independent" investigation on this issue is a DELUDED LIE that only suckers believe. The Republicrat Congress will give you an investigation on these WMD Lies just like it gave you an independent investigation on the Enron scandals or the September 11 attacks. In order, the best you can hope for from this corrupt and lying Republicrat Congress is most whitewash, a few scapegoats, and more lies.

Secondly, what is most likely happening with the sudden "discovery" by the American media and Political Establishment of these lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction is a hidden political war by different factions and elements of the American political class over MORE IMPORTANT policy differences. The use of these "revelations" and acompanying "scandal" are nothing more than the political weapons that are used in this war.

What self-styled activsts need to do on this issue is to HOLD ALL THE WARMONGERS AND LIARS accountable for their deception the past 12 years. This deception has killed literally over a million people through economic sanctions, bombings, and now invasion and colonization.

It is not only Bush who needs to be held accountable, but the Clinton Regime, the Republicrat Congress, and the lapdog free Press.

These are the institutions and people who are the true war criminals. Hold them to account and hunt their asses down.
Only the last 12 years? 06.Jun.2003 15:40

Oppenheimer

Only 12 years? I'd set my sites on a much greater timeperiod. If you think that things have only gone awry in this country in the last 12 years I'd suggest reading more history.
And why use the term "self-styled activists?" It's derogatory and unclear as to what you mean by that, and seems to me like your using it just to call names. There are much better insults that are more accurate, and therefore much more scathing.

Whatever 06.Jun.2003 15:55

not buying it

Another rant by the "Blame America First" crowd. You want to shank on all things America, but forget that the "genocidial economic sanctions on Iraq, its periodic bombing of that nation (under Bill Clinton), and now finally its invasion and colonizaton of that country" were in response to the impotent United Nations and their inability to enforce their own polices and mandates. A great reason to limit the power and policy making of this corrupt little rogue organization... If it wasn't for the will of the United States to disrupt and destroy Saddam Hussein's plan to continue the enslavement of the Middle East, Israel and Palestine would not be talking about peace today. A great side-effect of the regime change in Iraq. Or did you not broaden your analysis of the current world events to that level?

You want to keep the liars in check, well, consider yourself checked.

not buying not buying it 06.Jun.2003 16:04

whatever

you're so full of shit.

the USA was founded on elitism, obscured by populist terminology 06.Jun.2003 16:22

GRINGO STARS gringo_stars@attbi.com

After the first constitutional convention in the USA, a serving woman at an inn asked Benjamin Franklin if we now have a republic. Benjamin, sitting amongst his land and slave-owning white capitalist buddies, responded
"WE have a republic. YOU have nothing."

This sentiment sums up class relations in the US ever since its inception. Shutting out native americans, blacks, indentured servants, and any non-land-owning white people were not considered "We the people" - 90 percent of the population was not legally represented, but rather practically owned by other "free men."

The original post makes an excellent post; Clinton and the democrats are not "for the people" like they claim to be. All political parties use populist language in order to win votes.

Don't let the fact that the democrats are in power at any given time lull all the activists into a sense that anything positive is getting done, because it's not. The careerist public leeches that call themselves politicians are interested in people the same way fleas are interested in dogs. Reformist, within-the-system politics is a sham. It is intended to suck all activism and energy into an impotent void, protecting the status quo.

American Patriots and other Liars 06.Jun.2003 17:04

Fuck the Republicrats

"Another rant by the "Blame America First" crowd. You want to shank on all things America, but forget that the "genocidial economic sanctions on Iraq, its periodic bombing of that nation (under Bill Clinton), and now finally its invasion and
colonizaton of that country" were in response to the impotent United Nations and their inability to enforce their own polices and mandates"

Your post is more like another rant from the Excuse America crowd that permeates this deluded nation. What you carefully ignore is the fact that the UN resolutions were developed, driven, and pushed by the USA to begin with. These resolutions had nothing to do with any sincere concern with disarmament but with providing a useful Political Pretext for America to contain, bomb, and ultimately destroy a nation that possesses a key geostrategic resource--oil.

"A great reason to limit the power and policy making of this corrupt little rogue organization... "

You must be talking about the American government or the American military--which is seen by the vast majority of people around the world as the True Rogue State that must be contained if not destroyed. The problem with the UN is that it is unable to effectively check and circumscribe America's bloodthirsty policies around world. Even then, you American Fascists..er Patriots rant and rave about the UN because it provides a limited forum for expressing resistance to your Empire.

"If it wasn't for the will of the United States to disrupt and destroy Saddam Hussein's plan to continue the enslavement of the Middle East, Israel and Palestine would not be talking about peace today. A great side-effect of the regime change in Iraq. Or did you not broaden your analysis of the current world events to that level? "

Ha. Ha. You sound like Ariel Sharon, or some Pentagon Mouthpiece. Saddam Hussein and his plan to "enslave" the Middle East?! You are seriously living in a comic book world that only George W. Bush could invent and believe in . The only plan to "enslave" the Middle East is being drawn up in Washington DC and Tel Aviv. Ask the people of the Middle East whom they believe are the real Slavemasters in the Middle East--Saddam Hussein or Ariel Sharon and the American Government.

I guarantee the vast majority of Arab people in the MidEast will say Israel and America are their real enemies through and through.

>You want to keep the liars in check, well, consider yourself checked.

Wrong, fool. The only liars are the ones in the American government, media, and their Patriotic brownshirts like yourself. Where all the Iraqi "Weapons of Mass Destruction" that your Leaders were pathetically crying wolf about? Where are the vaunted stocks of Anthrax and chemcial weapons that your Government and your leaders and your media were yelping about for the past 12 years?

As I said before, the true liars--in the USA--will be checked and hunted down as the murderers which you are.

As for the comments by Oppenheimer concerning the time period of the past 12 years, I was referring to the use of the WMD issue by the United States against Iraq as pretext to wage economic genocide and ultimately warfare against nation.

Denials and Venom from a Patriotic Dupe 06.Jun.2003 17:49

Fuck the Republicrats

" "Fuck the Republicrats", we'll just have to disagree, that's all. The biggest lie of the day is your comment: "The only liars are the ones in the American government, media, and their Patriotic brownshirts like yourself." WOW, now that shows how truly ignorant you really are. Do you really think that there is a government ANYWHERE in the world that actually tells the truth? "

I was referring to the issue of WMDs in Iraq. It is the USA which, by far, has been the leader and driver of this Big Lie for the past 12 years. Even the media and political opposition in America's poodle states like England have questioned this Big Lie. The only retort that you American "Patriots" have is to whine and cry about hating America. Poor baby, does the truth hurt your feelings that much? Too bad.

"Governments and media outlets lie, end of story. It doesn't matter which flag you stand under, it just doesn't. I'd continue on, but after a doozy like that one, i don't know. You've shown your true colors, there's nothing more to say"

"Not buying it" admits that governments and media outlets lie, yet he dutifully repeats and defends the Biggest Lie of them all spewed by America's government and its corporate unfree press regarding Iraq WMD.


"You're a brain-washed America-hater. Nothing America does is good enough for you. Well, that's interesting."

Why is that you American "patriots" always cry about "hating America" whenever you don't have an argument or facts on your side? This is truly a pathetic form of defense. Empty catch-phrases and mindless propaganda words are used by you American "patriots" as a substitute for a real argument--much like your decade longing Mantras about Weapons of Mass Destruction.

"You are a loser, you've never accomplished anything in your life. You've never been to another country, except maybe Canada or Mexico or the 1-week trip to Europe your communist Mom or Dad took you on. You dress poorly. You can barely pay your rent. And then you want to put down this great nation and excuse the rest of the world as perfect saints. Except that you don't have a religion, so i apologize for putting you in the same crowd as those of faith. You are that transparent and i wish you luck..

More lame Ad hominem attacks. Even your feeble insults are a tired regurgitation of what Right Wingers stereotype activsts and radicals to be. Unfortunately, you are wrong on all counts. In fact, it would be much more interesting to speculate on who you are...

Cling to your flag, Patriot. Maybe if you wave it long and hard enough you won't have to face the truth of what your Great Empire truly is and represents around the world.

Keep speakin up 06.Jun.2003 18:17

Rusty Armor

Well said Fuck the Republicrats

in later days 06.Jun.2003 20:01

vicious cycle

"todays empires are tomorrows ashes"
that is all.

Clinton Damned whatever he did 06.Jun.2003 22:23

Frank Zee

There are statements in here knocking President Bill Clinton for sanctions on Iraq, and also bombing the country. Seems I Hear the Republicans saying Bill did nothing to stop terrorism. Now what the hell is it???I will say this, Clinton would have liked a peaceful world, and was trying to achieve that end. I truely believe if it had been up to him entirely, there would have been no sanctions, which were the U.N.'s idea, if I am correct, and Clinton did best at putting the fires out with water, not with gasoline, like the idiot we have in charge now.Thank you very much

Clinton 06.Jun.2003 22:53

Eyes Open

Clinton did more damage than Bush has. Bush is still trying to catch up as far as killing people. Also, Clinton brought us NAFTA and the WTO. A long list of prison terms and dead bodies follows Clinton. That man is dirty dirty dirty. Unbelievable how the liberals are not able to see past the fact that he is a Democrat and see what he did.

if you believe 06.Jun.2003 23:01

someone

If you believe that Bill Clinton wanted a peaceful world I have several bridges in Portland you might be interested in buying...

Really, check your facts, the sanctions were never endorsed or sanctioned by the UN, at any point, ever. The were completely the idea of the US and the UK and if Clinton had wanted to end them he had 8 years to do so. But as Madaline Albright said, so elquently, 5000 children under the age of 5 was a price the US was willing to pay. Of course, they said it was to prevent Hussein from acquiring weapons, which it could be judged a success. On the other hand, it also brought in cheap oil, and yet one more genocide to the long list of those committed by the US.

Also, for anyone that's interested, you can read all about the scandals Clinton pulled in Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" and you'll learn why the rpublicans could enver touch him, namely, because they were all involved in the same scandals. Worth a read, and it will cure you of defending another genocidal, war-monger, war-criminal president.

correction 07.Jun.2003 00:15

sharkysays

5000 children under the age of 5 per month, that is. How many people died in the towers?

thanks 07.Jun.2003 01:26

someone

Must be the heat, makes the thought process a little slower, but yes, I would hardly want to imply that Albright was complicit with the deaths of only 5000 children, but, rather, with 5000 children under the age of 5 (18,000 civilians total) per month for 12 years. Thanks for catching that.

yup 07.Jun.2003 04:45

hmmm

I saw the headline "A Question for All the Bush Bashers" and I figured it would be more dittohead/cryptoNazi crap.

But actually it was all true.

Democratic party activists always try to use radical energy to get Democratic politicians elected and re-elected. One way they do this is by constantly trying to focus and re-focus our attention on the current official Republican bad guy, whether it's Reagan or Gingrich or Bush or whoever.

Electing more Democrats won't solve anything.

Good point.

Clinton Blamed No Matter what 07.Jun.2003 07:53

Frank zee

Never have seen a republican who could not spin faster than a gyro.. Republicans took over the congress after only two years of Clinton in 1994. If your views are so solid, why didn't they kill the sanctions, and stop Clinton from putting the fires out in Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, when every time these places became crisis situations, the Republicans sat back and dared Clinton to do something, and HE DID. He stopped the carnage, which is a matter of common knowledge, even though my detractors apparently were unable to read, see, and hear, all about it.
Things are sure going great now. Some one tell me in the face of the stats how we are all better off, when my life savings are worth only 1% in the bank under our fearless AWOL leader v. 4.5% while Bill was in office. That is enough of a jolt for me.

Clinton is a better man that bush 07.Jun.2003 08:32

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Both in and out of bed.

Clinton better in Bed 07.Jun.2003 10:03

Frank Zee

You can say that again, Pal, and these impotent Republicans can't stand it. They are in love with Tom of DELAY, and his good friend Rep DOOLITTLE, both of the Great Texan Empire..Their only card is character assasination as in
SEX, and TAX cuts for the likes of Bill Gates. What is really funny, most of these right wing wackos are not rich enough to get a piece of that action in anyway, but they do not see that as a problem. They are too blind to see what is going on under their noses. The Bushes are trying to take over this country, and the middle East. Yum, Yum, that taste of Sweet crude or any other kind of crude.
I will say this, crude is their middle name....YUM

Why I bash Bush 07.Jun.2003 15:57

PHH

There is some element of sport in it I guess.

Name someone more deserving and I'll bash them instead.

I can't very well carry on about evil, can I?