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LIBERTY AT STAKE

once again we need to inform our leaders we want liberty.

freedom and liberty are better than safety. life is inherently unsafe.
I HAVE TAKEN THE FOLLOWING FROM AN AQUAINTANCE:

The Patriot Act II is active in Congress right now, hidden in Patty Murray's Senate Bill 22. Everyone is all excited about the Ashcroft version and totally ignoring the bill, titled "Combating Terrorism and Enhancing Domestic Security". Sound familiar?

While we're out campaigning against the Ashcroft version, our own Patty Murray is stuffing this same set of laws down our throats without any opposition at all.

To read the bill, go to:  http://thomas.loc.gov and enter SB22 in the Bill box and hit Search. It's really scary. And that's because no one seems to be reacting to it at all. Not the ACLU, no one! It's a silence that really scares me. Ginny also has reported that the ACLU will not fight to stop our medical records from being submitted to the Feds, saying simply, "That's the law."

I have a feeling that the ACLU has been taken over too. This is really, really scary.
sigh, no... 13.Apr.2003 20:34

Portland Bill of Rights Defense Committee

Whatever the merits or lack thereof in SB 22, it is utterly unrelated to the contents of the draft Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003, more commonly referred to as PATRIOT Act II.


the same with a new name? 13.Apr.2003 21:00

dude

Some crapy elephant and donkey shit as indicated by these subtitles within this act(SB22).

SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:
Justice Enhancement and Domestic Security Act of 2003
Innocence Protection Act of 2003
Prosecutorial Remedies and Tools Against the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003
National AMBER Alert Network Act of 2003
Anti Terrorist Hoax and False Report Act of 2003
Military Tribunal Authorization Act of 2003
Safe Borders Act of 2003
First Responders Partnership Grant Act of 2003
Say No to Drugs Community Centers Act of 2003
BLAST Act
Ballistics, Law Assistance, and Safety Technology Act of 2003
Our Lady of Peace Act of 2003
DNA Sexual Assault Justice Act of 2003
Anti-Atrocity Alien Deportation Act of 2003
Identity Theft Prevention Act of 2003
Social Security Number Misuse Prevention Act of 2003
Crime Victims Assistance Act of 2003
Providing Reliable Officers, Technology, Education, Community Prosecutors and Training in Our Neighborhoods Act of 2003
Identity Theft Victims Assistance Act of 2003
Seniors Safety Act of 2003
Protecting Our Children Comes First Act of 2003
National Child Protection and Volunteers for Children Improvement Act of 2003
Federal Bureau of Investigation Reform Act of 2003
Federal Prosecutors Retirement Benefit Equity Act of 2003
Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act of 2003
PROTECT Act

thanks 13.Apr.2003 21:41

dude

thanks for the contrast

uh... 13.Apr.2003 21:59

Portland Bill of Rights Defense Committee

Yeah ok, those are indeed the section titles for SB 22. They still don't relate to the draft DSEA of 2003.

simply... 14.Apr.2003 00:29

ok and ok

22 sounds like it deserves some attention that it's not getting, regardless of whether or not it's like the DSEA.

request for details 14.Apr.2003 08:03

seeker

Could the bill of rights defense folks explain a little more why this bill is not a threat to civil liberties? The titles of the headings sound ominous indeed. And a common technique of scheming legislators is to mask dubious laws in other legislation. Details on this? Thanks.

explain 14.Apr.2003 09:22

Portland Bill of Rights Defense Committee

I didn't claim SB 22 wasn't (or was) a threat to civil liberties -- make no assertions on the merits of SB 22 either way. Simply said it bears no relationship to the draft PATRIOT Act II, a rumor that's been going around since February, and one that seems to be based almost entirely on superficicial glances at the section titles of SB 22. Haven't even looked at SB 22 in months now, so I'd have to go back into some old material before I could do any sort of concerted breakdown.

There is something sketchy in this bill 14.Apr.2003 20:11

Under Construction

From the bill:

"SEC. 1503. CLARIFICATION OF SUNSET PROVISION IN USA PATRIOT ACT.

Section 224(a) of the USA PATRIOT ACT (Public Law 107-56) is amended by inserting before the period the following: `and any provision of law amended or modified by this title and the amendments made by this title (except for the sections excepted) shall take effect January 1, 2006, as in effect on the day before the effective date of this Act'."

This smells like it could be another attempt to make "PATRIOT" I permanent by repealing the original sunset provisions. Perhaps that explains why that Republican dickweed withdrew his amendment to another bill aiming to do the same thing- it was already concealed in S. 22

I'm not all that good at wading through Senatespeak, so if anyone with a legal background or the bordc could comment on this, it would be helpful.

OOPS! SORRY! 14.Apr.2003 20:16

Under Construction

After rereading the "CLARIFICATION OF SUNSET PROVISION IN USA PATRIOT ACT." section of S.22, it now appears to me that what that language actually aims at is to make it explicit that any laws altered by "PATRIOT" I REVERT TO THEIR ORIGINAL FORM when the "expiration date" passes.

In other words, it seems to me to mean "we're serious about the 'sunset provision', and here's exactly how it will work."

"Bob"-damned legal language. Pity but that Babelfish could translate it.

Sorry about the confusion.