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C.I.A. DEALS FOR BAGHDAD, EXILES SADDAM TO RUSSIA!

Interesting facts, watch out for more clues in next few days:
Something really strange is happening in this war you guys.... I first picked it up on www.whatreallyhappened.com when Mike commented about the strange comment Rumsfeld made about denying a cease fire agreement in Baghdad a few days after the war. Right now I can't find that article (WRH has a dead link to the april archive)

It just doesn't make sense that the Baghdad would fall so quickly.

Then I found this article:

Baghdad cheers regime fall, but where is Saddam?

and this paragraph:

But the Moscow correspondent of Arab news channel al-Jazeera quoted a Russian source as saying a U.S.-Iraqi deal for a cease-fire was in the works, and that Saddam's safe exit from Baghdad had been assured in return for a halt to Iraqi resistance. The source, a ranking military intelligence officer, said CIA elements who were in Baghdad before the start of the war were trying to arrange the deal, al-Jazeera reported.

The CIA elements were trying to work this out before the start of the war????

Is it possible that Saddam may still be a CIA asset? Even after 20-30 years?
and was this "war" just an international public relations stunt to boost US imperialism only in the minds of the people? Is the US trying break the wills of the anti-war protestors and american people, and build pseudo-confidence in the minds of its citizens for an even bigger, yet unspeakable, disaster?

Also, I find the meeting between Condoleezza Rice and Russian officals very suspious.

For example... many sites have the same article but different days when Rice arrived... Was it Monday or Sunday? Perhaps this is just a time difference in the way international news is reported, but two different US news site said different things. (is it standard procedure not to check for date differences between timezones?)

Why did www1.iraqwar.ru suddenly go down ?

 http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/iraqwar_ru_024.htm had this quote

"Today at 5pm a phone conversation between president of Russia Vladimir Putin and president of the USA George W. Bush took place. Before this conversation, his assistant for National Security Affairs Condoleezza Rice, who came into Moscow today, had consulted Bush. At this time Rice is meeting Igor Ivanov, the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The details of this meeting are unknown so far, but we can suppose that very soon some "unknown squadrons" will be made responsible for the incident and the situation will be dampened to the maximum. "

What did Bush talk to Putin about? How come this wasn't in the mainstream press?

Then, in this article,

 http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/iraqwar_ru_026.htm

"On the meeting of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin and the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice they agreed "to forget about this regrettable indicent" and "prevent any impact on the Russian-American partnership"...

" The... Americans ... carefully examine[d] the diplomats' cars and accompanied baggage. The Russian Foreign Ministry and the high-ranking officials keep silent. "

Was Saddam in that convoy?

... The last GRU analysis has this quote before being shut down.

"Apart from that, our actions meet increasing opposition from the official quarts and in fact are turning into confrontation the outcome of which is not difficult to forecast."

So the government shut it down... Why? A few days ago they said that Iraq had 90-100,000 troops and that the main battles haven't even been fought yet. Is this how future wars will be fought? Is this what they ment by information warfare?
Tehran times article 10.Apr.2003 14:01

anon

I was wondering the real reason for iraqwar.ru to go down as well. It was very suspicious. All of a sudden there was something so secret they couldn't divulge. It must have been very secret because they were basically forcasting troop movents before.
"At the same time, we do not have the right to reveal classified, "top secret" information."

Below is a link to an article basically reinforcing the arguement of granted escape.

 http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=4/10/03&Cat=2&Num=017

same article at:
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2824.htm

top article full 10.Apr.2003 16:09

asdfsa

some how the top paragraph URL got lost, here is the full article


 http://www.helenair.com/articles/2003/04/10/iraq/a02041003_04.txt

Baghdad cheers regime fall, but where is Saddam?

By MEG RICHARDS, Associated Press Writer - 04/10/03

As U.S. troops take over Baghdad and jubilant Iraqis dance and cheer in the streets, the question lingers: Where is Saddam Hussein?

There are rumors he escaped a massive airstrike and is hiding in the Russian Embassy as part of a deal between Washington and Moscow. Some whisper that he and his sons Qusai and Odai stole away to his hometown of Tikrit; others say they were wounded and one of the sons is dead.

The building where U.S. intelligence officials thought the Iraqi leader might be meeting with his sons and top advisers is just a hole in the ground now, smashed to rubble by U.S. bombs minutes after coalition commanders received the report. It's not clear who was killed, and U.S. officials have yet to examine the site because Saddam loyalists still control it.

Baghdad's rapid slide into lawlessness has convinced many that the regime has fallen and its leader is dead. But Britain's Guardian newspaper quoted an unidentified intelligence source Wednesday as saying Saddam ''was probably not in the building when it was bombed.'' The Times of London also quoted an unidentified source, who said: ''We think he left the same way he arrived in the area, either by a tunnel system or by car, we're not sure.''

When asked about the reports, Britain's Foreign Office conceded, ''It is possible that he escaped.''

American officials said U.S. intelligence had solid information from multiple sources that Saddam went inside the building and didn't leave before it was struck. One intelligence source was believed to be an eyewitness who watched him go inside. No one would discuss the identity or characterize the credibility of the witness.

When President Bush was asked about the airstrike Tuesday, he said simply, ''Saddam Hussein will be gone. It might have been yesterday, I don't know. But he'll be gone.''

Lebanese Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri hinted Wednesday that Saddam might have taken shelter at the Russian Embassy in Baghdad as part of a U.S.-Russian deal.

''Why did the Russian ambassador return to Baghdad? What did (National Security Adviser) Condoleezza Rice do in Moscow?'' Berri asked reporters. ''Is Saddam Hussein in the Russian Embassy in Baghdad?''

Russian Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko left Iraq on Sunday, but his convoy came under fire on the way to Syria. He returned Tuesday to fetch a wounded embassy driver who had been treated in an Iraqi-controlled hospital. Rice said she met with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday to reassure him that Washington valued its partnership with Russia.

''We had a wide-ranging discussion,'' Rice told reporters Tuesday. ''We talked about a lot of different elements of U.S.-Russian relations, but we also talked a little bit about the post-conflict Iraq situation and about trying to move constructively from where we are now to in the future.''

Officials in Washington and at the Russian Foreign Ministry denied Saddam had taken refuge at the embassy. It's still unclear who fired on the convoy.

But the Moscow correspondent of Arab news channel al-Jazeera quoted a Russian source as saying a U.S.-Iraqi deal for a cease-fire was in the works, and that Saddam's safe exit from Baghdad had been assured in return for a halt to Iraqi resistance. The source, a ranking military intelligence officer, said CIA elements who were in Baghdad before the start of the war were trying to arrange the deal, al-Jazeera reported.

But even without a secret deal, Saddam has survival skills honed by decades of concern over assassination attempts by enemies at home and abroad.

Some say he and his sons were evacuated 100 miles north to Tikrit, the Sunni stronghold where Saddam's clan is from. The dusty desert town, which has yet to be captured by coalition forces, holds some of Saddam's largest and most elaborate presidential compounds. If he went into hiding there, he could easily vanish in the labyrinth of underground tunnels believed to be linking those sites to the eastern banks of the nearby Tigris River.

The town has been hit repeatedly by coalition airstrikes.

The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of two main Iraqi Kurdish groups opposing Saddam, claimed Tuesday that he and his sons and many top aides moved to Tikrit soon after the fighting intensified in Baghdad. Other reports say they arrived with injuries, that Qusai is dead, that Saddam and Odai were spirited farther north to the city of Mosul, where U.S. Special Forces and Kurdish peshmerga fighters are advancing. Others said Republican Guards had escorted Saddam to Syria.

A White House source dismissed the idea that Saddam had sought refuge in Syria. ''No. He had his opportunity to leave the country,'' the source said Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity. ''He did not take it.''

another article 10.Apr.2003 16:24

another article

Quote from the article:

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in a Pentagon news conference yesterday, laid out several possibilities for Saddam: "He's not active. Therefore, he's either dead, or he's incapacitated, or he's healthy and cowering in some tunnel someplace trying to avoid being caught."

....

"He's not active"

"He's healthy"

"someplace trying to avoid being caught."


Is this part of the cease fire agreement? Is it part of the deal that the united states gets a new boggie man?


....

When President Bush was asked about the airstrike Tuesday, he said simply, "Saddam Hussein will be gone. It might have been yesterday, I don't know. But he'll be gone."

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How are you so sure Mr. Bush? Did you personally arrange his getaway with Putin during the phone call you had with him?





Rumors fly over fate of a tyrant

BY MEG RICHARDS
Associated Press

As U.S. troops take over Baghdad and jubilant Iraqis dance and cheer in the streets, the question lingers: Where is Saddam Hussein?

There are rumors he escaped a massive airstrike and is hiding in the Russian Embassy as part of a deal between Washington and Moscow. Some whisper that he and his sons Qusay and Uday stole away to his hometown of Tikrit; others say they were wounded and one of the sons is dead.
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The building where U.S. intelligence officials thought the Iraqi leader might be meeting with his sons and top advisers is just a hole in the ground now, smashed to rubble by U.S. bombs minutes after coalition commanders received the report. It's not clear who was killed, and U.S. officials have yet to examine the site because Saddam loyalists still control it.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in a Pentagon news conference yesterday, laid out several possibilities for Saddam: "He's not active. Therefore, he's either dead, or he's incapacitated, or he's healthy and cowering in some tunnel someplace trying to avoid being caught."

Baghdad's rapid slide into lawlessness has convinced many that the regime has fallen and its leader is dead. But Britain's Guardian newspaper quoted an unidentified intelligence source yesterday as saying Saddam "was probably not in the building when it was bombed." The Times of London also quoted an unidentified source, who said: "We think he left the same way he arrived in the area, either by a tunnel system or by car, we're not sure."

When asked about the reports, Britain's Foreign Office conceded, "It is possible that he escaped."

American officials said U.S. intelligence had solid information from multiple sources that Saddam went inside the building and didn't leave before it was struck. One intelligence source was believed to be an eyewitness who watched him go inside. No one would discuss the identity or characterize the credibility of the witness.

When President Bush was asked about the airstrike Tuesday, he said simply, "Saddam Hussein will be gone. It might have been yesterday, I don't know. But he'll be gone."

Lebanese Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri hinted yesterday that Saddam might have taken shelter at the Russian Embassy in Baghdad as part of a U.S.-Russian deal.

Officials in Washington and at the Russian Foreign Ministry denied Saddam had taken refuge at the embassy.

But the Moscow correspondent of Arab news channel Al Jazeera quoted a Russian source as saying a U.S.-Iraqi deal for a cease-fire was in the works, and that Saddam's safe exit from Baghdad had been assured in return for a halt to Iraqi resistance. The source, a ranking military intelligence officer, said CIA elements who were in Baghdad before the start of the war were trying to arrange the deal, Al Jazeera reported.

But even without a secret deal, Saddam has survival skills honed by decades of concern over assassination attempts by enemies at home and abroad.

Some say he and his sons were evacuated 100 miles north to Tikrit, the Sunni stronghold where Saddam's clan is from. The dusty desert town, which has yet to be captured by coalition forces, holds some of Saddam's largest and most elaborate presidential compounds. If he went into hiding there, he could easily vanish in the labyrinth of underground tunnels believed to be linking those sites to the eastern banks of the nearby Tigris River.

The town has been hit repeatedly by coalition airstrikes.

The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of two main Iraqi Kurdish groups opposing Saddam, claimed Tuesday that he and his sons and many top aides moved to Tikrit soon after the fighting intensified in Baghdad. Other reports say they arrived with injuries, that Qusay is dead, that Saddam and Uday were spirited farther north to the city of Mosul, where U.S. Special Forces and Kurdish peshmerga fighters are advancing. Others said Republican Guards had escorted Saddam to Syria.

A White House source dismissed the idea that Saddam had sought refuge in Syria. "No. He had his opportunity to leave the country," the source said yesterday, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He did not take it."