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Let's all support our troops!

Here's a great opportunity to show our support for our troops. Bring signs to show how much you support the troops, but not the war to: Support the Troops Rally, Pioneer Courthouse Square, 1:00 to 3:00 pm.
Here's a great opportunity to show our support for our troops. Bring signs to show how much you support the troops, but not the war to:

Support the Troops Rally,
Pioneer Courthouse Square,
1:00 to 3:00 pm.

What a great opportunity to practice nonviolence!

homepage: homepage: http://www.pdxsupportstroops.com/

more info 24.Mar.2003 21:43

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The above website says at the bottom, "Website Creation, Development, and hosting donated by Portland Technology Consultants"

Portland Technology Consultants are at
 http://www.pdxtc.com/

registration info for that domain (from Network Solutions):
Registrant:
Scott Hendison

Registered through: Go Daddy Software ( http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PDXTC.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.WEHOSTWEBPAGES.COM
NS2.WEHOSTWEBPAGES.COM

Hendison is also listed as the Registrant for pdxsupportstroops.com

Some links provided on the site that could lead to fun maybe:

To send a message to a deployed serviceman,  http://anyservicemember.navy.mil

To download a support the troops sign www.katu.com/special/attack/fly_the_flag.asp

Another nice troops support site  http://www.americastandup.com

Fuck that 24.Mar.2003 22:07

Anokpeace

I'll support the troops when they SHOOT THEIR OFFICERS.

my policy: I don't support war criminals 24.Mar.2003 22:45

GRINGO STARS gringo_stars@attbi.com

The all-volunteer army which is permanently crippling and killing Iraqi civilians right now is a shameful group of dupes. If they wanted money for college, their are ways to make that money that have nothing to do with violating international laws concerning war. I have zero sympathy for them, and supporting the troops is supporting the war. The US troops are not "mine."

The US soldiers should all have to personally explain to the relatives of the crippled and killed and wounded why they decided to kill/cripple/maim their relatives.

"I was just following orders" is a pathetic excuse, an irresponsible LIE - and the same excuse that Nazis gave when called on to account for their crimes. I refuse to be "a good German."

'Support The Troops' 24.Mar.2003 23:13

blah

this is illogical and just plain SILLY.

OF COURSE everyone supports the troops--especially if a member of one's own family is involved.

we ALL want to see them come home safely, whether or not we're against the war.

the 'Support The Troops' slogan is a Divide And Conquer tactic created by a plutocratic government (Bu$h Administration + 535 members of Congress) which has only ONE (1) officeholder with a son or daughter currently serving in the military.

read that again--only ONE member of Congress currently has a son or daughter currently in the military.

so it is YOU, dear families and friends of the Troops,

who are the DUPES!

it's like saying 'I Support Eating', or something . . .

you are either FOR this war,

or AGAINST it.
'Support The Troops'
'Support The Troops'

Referring to note belwo 24.Mar.2003 23:33

50 yo war protester

A few notes ago, someone pointed out that there is only ONE US Congressperson with a son/daughter in the military. How do you know this? What an interesting fact.

I feel so alone. I don't know ANYONE besides my adult kids who feel llike I do and most of you do. I am so against this war. Endured my husband screaming at me on 9/11 when I dared to mention that it sure seems to me that BUSH had to know what was going on and it is pretty obvious that if a plane could get to the WTC it must have been ALLOWED to get there... and I hope I am wrong, but I predict a DRAFT and King Bush will NOT get my 3 teenage sons. I don't know where I will have to go to save them, but I WILL do it.

Thanks to all you wonderful and heroic people who are fighting and protesting this war.

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>>the 'Support The Troops' slogan is a Divide And Conquer tactic created by a plutocratic government (Bu$h Administration + 535
members of Congress) which has only ONE (1) officeholder with a son or daughter currently serving in the military.

read that again--only ONE member of Congress currently has a son or daughter currently in the military.

Military Families Speak Out-- 24.Mar.2003 23:53

mfso mfso@mfso.org

 http://www.mfso.org/

Military Families Speak Out is an organization of people who are opposed to war in Iraq and who have relatives or loved ones in the military. We were formed in November of 2002 and have contacts with military families throughout the United States, and in other countries around the world.

As people with family members and loved ones in the military, we have both a special need and a unique role to play in speaking out against war in Iraq. It is our loved ones who will be on the battlefront. It is our loved ones who will risk injury and death. It is our loved ones who will return scarred from having injured innocent Iraqi civilians.

If you have family members or loved ones in the military and you are opposed to this war, join us. Send us an e-mail at  mfso@mfso.org.
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On the Wings of a Lie

Statement by Stephen Cleghorn of MFSO
 http://www.mfso.org/Prescleg.html

"I am also very troubled by the way Bush officials have tried to justify this war on the grounds that Saddam is allied with Osama bin Laden or will be soon. There is simply no proof of that, and every time I hear them repeat it I think of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. You don't take the country to war on the wings of a lie."
~Thomas Friedman, New York Times, 2/19/03
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I stand here today as a member of Military Families Speak Out. We are mothers and fathers, sons and daughters and other relatives of military men and women on active duty who will be in harm's way if the United States launches an illegal and immoral first strike war against the people of Iraq.

I have two points to make today. The first has to do with feelings about my stepson. The second has to do with the true roots of this proposed war with Iraq.

My stepson is in the U.S. Army and will be a participant if war is launched. I am of course concerned about his safety. While he will be assigned command and control duties in Kuwait in support of ground combat troops, away from front lines, he still may find himself under attack with biological or chemical weapons, and may be carrying one of those defective suits we have been talking about today.

But even more than that, deeper than that, I am concerned about the defective mission upon which President Bush is sending him. His dedication to country is being abused by a President hell-bent on an unjustified, unnecessary and - it is fair to say - a triumphalistic religious war being waged by a fundamentalist Commander in Chief who seems to believe he is on God's own mission to save the world from the evil doers and heathen.

So I am concerned that this patriotic young man willing to sacrifice for his country, along with many other honorable soldiers, will see his military career squandered and corrupted.

I am also concerned because I know -- from the evidence of history, from the past Gulf War and the slaughter of 400-1,500 women and children at the Amariyah bomb shelter in Baghdad - that if we go to war in Iraq, the loss of innocent civilian lives will be high and horrific, and that our government will never tell us the whole truth about that. They are basing this war on a big lie that Iraq threatens us now, and they will surely lie as to its consequences for the innocent.

However, the soldiers in the area will know what they have done. They will see it with their own eyes, or they will see it in the eyes of their fellow soldiers.

So I pray every day. I pray for my son's safety, for his family, his wife and three children. I pray for the safety of Iraqi children and their families. I pray that this war can be averted. I cry out to God to grant all these prayers, because I fear that my son, if this war goes forward, may carry in his heart for the rest of his natural life the burden of innocent lives he helped to destroy. And he has such a good heart.

That's my first point. Secondly I want to say there is something I fear for more than the dangers our soldiers face from a government throwing them into a war with faulty equipment.

My deepest fear is for America, as we have known it, as it has been handed down to us and protected and defended by people like my father and many millions who fought a true threat of tyranny in World War II. I fear for America and its hard-won democracy, its precious freedoms, because our government has been seized by far right zealots who wish to impose upon the rest of the world what they call a "benevolent global hegemony." They won't call it "empire" because that's not good PR. They are zealots who are willing to run roughshod over American freedoms to get their way. They are willing to push aside the Constitution and the Bill of Rights if necessary to achieve their agenda. They are right now cooking up Patriot Act II - which as an executive order, not even a law, could strip any one of us of our citizenship and send us into a "disappeared" status as terrorist sympathizers if the Attorney General decides to call us such.

When they were out of power these people pushed their ideas though a think tank called the Project for the New American Century. The white papers of that think tank have formed the basis of our current national security policy that calls for a worldwide "constabulary" role for the American military. It was within the Project for the New American Century that the doctrine of pre-emptive war was first hatched.

Who are they? They are Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Jeb Bush, among others - and of course George W. Bush, although he is not the leading intellectual light of this group by any means. To these we can add a bevy of Iran-Contra principals who participated in illegal acts and human rights abuses in Central America: Admiral Poindexter, who sits in the Pentagon still working to launch fully a Total Information Awareness Program to watch over us all; Elliott Abrams, also of the New American Century group, whose professional contempt for and assault upon human rights has earned him a position inside President Bush's inner circle; and even our ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte. These are people willing to destroy the UN to get their way. They are willing to destroy historic alliances, bribe and coerce small nations, and do whatever else is needed to achieve a war in Iraq that will set the terms for their New American Century.

I'll tell you this. It outrages and saddens me that my son and many others are being called to duty to carry out the agenda of these right wing zealots, and I will not stand by silently and let that happen. It outrages me that as they are thrown into harms way they are being told to duct tape the cracks in their suits. It saddens me that fear has gripped our land to the point we are asked to duct tape ourselves into our homes and cower there.

I share the view of an Italian peace activist who said on February 15 "You fight terrorism by creating more justice in the world." For me that starts with fighting this unjust war, and the fight will not end until we have removed from power the people who are ruining my beloved America.


ONLY ONE Politician with children in Military 25.Mar.2003 00:01

Dean Hartwell

Congress: What If Their Sons and Daughters Went to War? (10/14/02)
 http://www.deanhartwell.com/page269626_files/archivesnew/What%20If%20Sons%20and%20Daughters%20of%20Congressmembers%20Went%20to%20War.htm

Recently, both houses of Congress voted overwhelmingly for a resolution to authorize President Bush to use force in Iraq. In deciding to send young men and women into harm's way, each member likely cast one of the most important votes of their respective careers.

How many members of Congress have children who would face combat if the U.S. goes to war?

The answer is only one, Senator Tim Johnson, Democrat from South Dakota. He voted for the resolution despite the fact that his oldest son is in the 101st Airborne, one of the first units usually called to war. Johnson gave his vote much deliberation before making it.

If the majority of members in Congress had children in the military, the vote to authorize force would not have been overwhelming. More members would have expressed their concerns to President Bush and to each other. It would have given the president pause before sending others to do something he would not do.

It is well worth noting that three recent presidents who avoided active military service, Presidents Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have each used the military more than most of our presidents. Perhaps with military experience they would have seen the option to use the military in a different perspective.

In contrast, the United States has never elected as its president a former general who started a war. This list of presidents includes George Washington, Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower. Their experiences undoubtedly persuaded them to seek resolutions to conflicts other than by using force.

Many of the leading war hawks in the Bush Administration avoided service in the military. Interestingly, retired General Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, has voiced concerns over the possibility of conflict with Iraq.

Leaders must never view war as anything but a last resort. Instead, they should listen to the voices of reason of those who understand the price people will pay. If every member of Congress treated the decision to go to war with the same care they would if their sons and daughters would have to fight, there would be no reasons for anyone's sons and daughters to be sent to fight anywhere.

ONLY ONE Politician with children in Military
ONLY ONE Politician with children in Military

let's support the dupes 25.Mar.2003 01:15

bongo

i do supprot the troops. they have been lied to: they've been diceived by a Commander-in Chief with a history of Antiamerican traitorism in his family. I support them because they have been utterly decieved and it's not their fault. Most of them really think they are fighting to defend democracy and American freedom. wwe've been divided and conquered enough. I don't like what they are doing. At all. But they have been duped.


one great way to suypport them is to get the facts out; the facts that Bush is a scret Fascist and has decieved the majority of th epeople who work for him: people like Ari Fleisher and Codoleeza Rice, who, if they had any idea what the Bush family really thinks about Blacks and jews, would maybe walk out of their jobs and renouce their affiliation with a family of knownm racists and supporters of Eugenics. they, like the troops, have been professionally decieved. I don;t support their actions as they go, decieved, to do the work of an American traitor, a modern Bendict Arnold, but we have been divided and conqwuered enough as a people, we Americans. maybe it's time to thgink about that old SEVENSECONDS song. If we can walk together why can't we talk together? this divisiveness is no good for the peace process.


i womn't be turned against my fellow citizens, damn, if you can not see that that is exactly what Bush wants, i got to wonder what the fuck else you can Not See.

kids.




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let's support the dupes
let's support the dupes

Bush wants blind obedience, not conflict 25.Mar.2003 03:30

GRINGO STARS gringo_stars@attbi.com

Bush doesn't want american vs. american conflict, bongo. All he ever calls for is unity, obedience, and blind allegience to legions of duped war criminals who never think to question themselves, their country, or their media.

It doesn't serve Bush to have ANYONE dissenting. he wants everyone making money for him and his cronies. EVERYONE.

Let me put this another way;

FUCK THE TROOPS.

I am deadset against what they are doing and I will tell them every time I can. I don't chalk up the slaughter of civilians to "oops, I'm a moron who doesn't question anything. oh well."

I will educate the troops if given the opportunity, but will express my disgust for their actions. It's something they should hear.

George II works closely with jewish and black people, and I'm sure they hear him make stupid ethnic jokes, as he is well-known to do. At the very least I bet they sense his disdain for them. But (and this is a guess of mine) I personally think that they don't give a damn about that as long as his plans to make them all rich are proceeding apace. They are all in the same boat. They have money in the same stocks, and so all have the same agenda. I doubt Ari or Condi have any sense of solidarity with their ethnicities at all. They are loyal to money and power, like George. Although deceived, Ari and Condi are greedy. Everyone in the cabinet has millions of dollars. Rumsfeld and Cheney are actually richer than George II. Extreme wealth is what unites them. They feel more solidarity with those who share their tax bracket than those that share their ancestory. It would seem to be far more important to them, by their actions.

The corporate media versus the independant media is the crucial division. I doubt Ari or Condi would ever believe anything that wasn't repeated endlessly on CNN, just like I give credence to things reported by alternative, independant media far more than the corporate news outlets. Since the corporate media does its best to marginalise all non-corporate medias, soldiers and government types buy this schitt and simply do not believe things that aren't on the (Pentagon-approved) TV news.

I would love to discuss current events with any cabinet member but I bet their disdain and distrust of any journalism without catchy computer animation or hairsprayed anchors would become a problem. I know it has every time I discuss politics with people who actually believe the lies on network news.

The crucial battle is getting people off the corporate media teat. Break their addiction to news that lies.