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War Protest in Portland [ Palestine ] March 22, 2003

Observations of the March 22, 2003 in Portland, Oregon
Folks looked pretty bored in the few tents at the federal building.

There were more rush-limbaugh types waving flags at pioneer square than protestoers.

The feds program of 'fear' is working against those opposed to the war.

The Hilton Hotel had 100's of cops coming going, I went inside and saw that it was donut central, they have a huge command&control center setup. The ANTI-WAR movement should be on this block since the cops have the protester's under control, its time the protestors siege the cop-shop, or should I say donut shop.

Behind the federal building was the silly white panel van with speakers on top, note this is NOT a city of PDX vehicle, this is an FBI propaganda vehicle.

The reason for commandHeadquarters being the Hilton is that the ANTI-WAR management is a FEDERAL operation. CQ hereafter, e.g. HILTON.

The ANTIWAR must be fought widely throughout the tri-county, the protest should be taken to beaverton, Intel, ...

There are less than a 1 cop per 1,000 in PDX baby sitting the citizenry. These cops operate under the AUSCHWITZ principle that it only takes a few to contain the many, under fear, and terrorism. The ESSENCE OF USA government has ALWAYS been Beating, Killing, and Imprisonment. While the CITYofPDX may be Beriut/Lebanon the VANCOUVER/BEAVERTON is home of the COPS, e.g. the GESTAPO. This is where the MEDIA-ANTI-WAR should be fought.

The COPS want nothing more than to contain PROTESTORS in a little area, where they can be managed, photographed, and have their personal lives destroyed [ this is what THEY did in 1991 to protestors ].
A quick response.... 23.Mar.2003 13:20

A Portland Cop

You are a moron. I am not for the war, but I am a cop. Protesters are great. It's your stupid splinter groups that go out and destroy personal and public property that are causing the masses to frown on "peace rallies." Keep it peaceful, voice or act out your opinions... don't tread on other peoples rights. As an officer, I have met many, many protesters, rally supporters, and other peaceniks that I think are great! I have also met people who wish to do harm to a liberal college educated cop who is 100% middle eastern by blood. Ever think to ask a cop his or her view? Ever wonder why people shun protesters? Why do the masses call you extremists, internal terrorists, anarchists, and idiots? Also, there weren't donuts at the Hilton. There was catered dinners... payed for by your taxes (if you happen to work)... not to mention all the overtime being paid out for a city that is supposedly broke... also not caused by not the peace rallies, but by the idiots who think it is okay to break some doctor's windshield or destroy a Tri-Met bus terminal --because, wow, that will make a great point about peace. Idiot.

to the 23.Mar.2003 14:21

portland cop

I'm glad you are not for this atrocious war.
I wish you would take off your uniform and join the voices of sanity in this country who will not be silent while innocents are being murdered by our country.

You speak of splinter groups....I pose this

Within your ranks are officers who do not abide by the law. Some use times like these to exert abuse and harm citizens. Have you ever witnessed this personally? If you have, have you filed internal investigation complaints? Have you sought out arrestees who were victims and offered to be a witness for them?

This is not the hour for SILENCE

FREEDOM 23.Mar.2003 14:34

Zak Attack

I would like to remind you that during the Vietnam protests people were Shot and Killed by POLICE and NATION GUARD. You obviously do not understand the concept of Civil Disobedience. WE ARE THE TRUE AMERICANS! We endure BEATINGS, NON-LEATHAL SHOT GUNS, ARREST and CHEMICAL WEAPONS for our Country, our Constitution, our People and our Children. COWARDS did not win Americas' independence. We are PERSICUTED and SUFFER to secure the blessings of liberty and the U.S. Constitution. No one or Power will ever succeed in destroying INDIVIDUAL rights and the foundation of America.
In coming years we will see that our hardships, though thankless, will not have been in vain.

umm 23.Mar.2003 14:37

foso

You can't befriend the police @ actions, but mere confrontation with the police is fairly pointless. They carry out order rather than create them. The people that are most important are the wealthy, the politicians, union leaders, etc. They aren't going to care that much as to what you do to police. Moreover police are the working class. They aren't our friends, but that doesn't mean their not human. Throughout the history of labor struggle there have been instances where the police would battle federal troops to support worker's rights in their local communities (see Jeremy Brecher's book Strike!). Remember revolutions happen when the police and soldiers tell their officers they won't shoot any more. So if you are serious about revolution and systemic change think about going into the forces and organizing there. I bet they could use you.

don't use war tactics to work for peace 23.Mar.2003 14:37

Paul

I am an ardent peace advocate, and have marched with many members of my family in many peace rallies here in Portland in the last six months.

By adopting violent tactics in pursuit of peace, our movement seriously risks the alienation of the many good people who question the validity of this war and who would protest the needless deaths of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Civil disobedience needs to be thoughtful and peaceful, or it will backfire.

I have to agree with the "Portland Cop" in this instance. Our message will have the most impact if we can get the large numbers of people who oppose the war visibly, loudly, but peacefully protesting.

Gandhi on Civil Disobedience and Nonviolence:
"Disobedience to be civil has to be open and nonviolent.

Disobedience to be civil implies discipline, thought, care, attention.

Disobedience that is wholly civil should never provoke retaliation.

A person who has realized the principle of nonviolence has the God-given strength for his weapon, and the world has not yet known anything that can match it."

Paul

The Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:09

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

The Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:17

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To the Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:23

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To the Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:25

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To the Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:27

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To the Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:30

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To the Portland PIGs 23.Mar.2003 15:34

Sleeping Dragon

First, let's get a few things outta the way right up front: you are a pig and an enemy of every free and wild human on this planet. You and the system of power that you uphold has wreaked a swath of death and oppression the world over. Nothing you can say, no opinion you have, no rationalizing or pleading to the good and free citizens of Portland will change the reality of who you are and what you defend. The truth of the matter is;If your such a good person then quit! Or better, refuse to follow orders next time your big boss man(closet-homophobic Kroker) orders you to beat, gass or otherwise act like a gestappo thug. And don't be fooled just cuz' They let you eat the crumbs from the masters table over at the Hilton!(Did you get the scraps when Bushy-boy was in town?) Don't think for a minute that the upper class thinks of you as anything more than a well-trained attack dog. In short; as a hired goon for the rich war-mongering elite, we have NO common ground. But, it's never to late. The next time a superior orders you to use pain compliance on the public, turn and use it on him. Maybe then you can be a real hero of the people.

-And I'm out...

To Portland Cop... 23.Mar.2003 19:55

Varro

I'm not going to paint all cops with the same brush.

The problem is that there's an internalized culture of violence in the Portland Police Bureau, and a fairly recent one at that.

I protested Bush War I in 1991 in Chicago, a city infamous for police violence in the past. There were unpermitted marches of 5000 - 1000 people in mid-January, including people sitting down on Lake Shore Drive during Rush Hour.

No violence. No arrests except for 8-10 people who blocked the Dirksen Federal Building loading dock.

The police knew that following a peace march could be the easiest day on the force they could have, and acted that way. They were vigilant, yet joked and small-talked with demonstrators. THEY KEPT THE PEACE.

Contrast that with the actions in Portland Thursday and Friday night. The police went into action looking to bust heads, and pepper-sprayed and flash-banged people doing nothing violent, and even people doing no CD at all (people outside the Paris Theatre and Dante's were attacked).

It's only when good cops like you stand up to the rotten ones that the police will have the overwhelming support of the community. Rotten ones like Lt. Martin Rowley, Sgt. Mark Kruger (pepper-sprayed children last weekend and targeted the media at the Bush protest), and Sgt. Lawrence Baird (look at the Willamette Week this Wednesday) make citizens like myself *very* suspicious of the police, even if we may need your help.

To Mr Cop 23.Mar.2003 20:55

friday demonstrator

hey copper(if you really are one), i'd like to know exactly what violence us protestors on friday night did...because i was there and THE ONLY VIOLENCE was done BY THE COPS. I'd like to know why one of your buddies covered a guy in pepper spray for standing on the side walk giving the peace sign to riot coppers like yourself. Please explain yourself and your actions. Are you going to bitch and complain about ALL the violence...oooh, a McDonalds window was broken on thursday...BIG FUCKING DEAL. oh oh..and dont forget about the shell station flags being stolen...boo hoo. You call THAT violence? YOU are the idiot. if THAT is violence then what YOU GUYS DO IS TERRORISM.

The Price of freedom 23.Mar.2003 23:23

Colleen

First I will start by saying this is the first time I have ever participated in protest action. It's the first issue that made me mad enough to finally take action. In fact I not only attended and plan to continue attending, but also took my kids. You know it's pretty difficult to raise children with any sense of social responsibility these days. Especially with a current administration that does not value anything but power and money. I will continue to protest the killing of innocent people in order to finally stand up and be a fitting role model to my children. On Friday as I watched the bombing (so called shock and awe, I think it should be called shock and horror), I broke down into tears for what we have done. I did not hide these tears from my children, instead we wept together, then got on the train and attempted to find the protest. Instead, our ability to protest this horror (committed in our name) was block by Potland's finest. I am not some college student looking for a reason to party (as the news calls the protesters), I am not someone looking for a cause to fight for, and I am not out to hurt others. Instead I am not only a parent, but also a veteran (military police)and a citizen of the United States of America. So the next time you police are out there following orders, you may want to consider who it is that you are supposed to be there for. Remember what our Country is founded on, and also rember the Boston Tea party. I beleive the Brits probably said the same things about our fore-fathers that many are saying now about the protesters / anti-war people.