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Let's Keep the Pressure Up! 5pm PPRC Rally Tonight

Let's keep the pressure up.
Let's all show up at the Friday Rally, maybe turn it into a jail solidarity action. Now that the U.S. has begun its "shock and awe" bombing camapaign, we should kkep the pressure up.

I know a lot of people don't like the PPRC's style, but this is the only action that is planned that I know of--let's make the most of it.
police brutality 21.Mar.2003 13:04

I hate protestors

I hope I get to see some protestor ass beat down on TV. If you're a student getting student loans, please feel free to return that money to the government. I wouldn't want you to kill yourself from the trauma of being educated by US tax dollars. Student protestor are parasites.

i'm a student 21.Mar.2003 13:21

Skylarkin

AS a privileged member of society and the world I choose to use the right to dissent that our country was built on. AS a patriotic American the best thing i can do for my country is to tell the government that is "run by the people" what I a citizen feel is just. I dislike brutality, peaceful protest is american given right!

Wow...where did that come from? 21.Mar.2003 13:31

No hate

That's probably where you spend the majority of your life anyway. So it makes sense you would be watching the corporate media and getting brainwashed.

i'm a student 21.Mar.2003 13:31

Skylarkin

AS a privileged member of society and the world I choose to use the right to dissent that our country was built on. AS a patriotic American the best thing i can do for my country is to tell the government that is "run by the people" what I a citizen feel is just. I dislike brutality, peaceful protest is american given right!

i'm a student 21.Mar.2003 13:31

Skylarkin

AS a privileged member of society and the world I choose to use the right to dissent that our country was built on. AS a patriotic American the best thing i can do for my country is to tell the government that is "run by the people" what I a citizen feel is just. I dislike brutality, peaceful protest is american given right!

Bad Example 21.Mar.2003 13:31

You want peace?

So against oil consumption, so against damaging the environment - but didn't you make hundreds of people idle their cars and take bypass routes (205) to get home? Didn't you leave all your signs and other garbage throughout the city? Yes, you did. Not to mention the assault on people an property. THAT'S PEACEFULL? YOU WANT PEACE? START AT HOME.

I WILL BE THERE TONIGHT!!! 21.Mar.2003 13:57

Jon

Tonight I will be in the crowd - but I will be watching for ANY evidence of lawbreaking (physical violence, vandalism, trespassing, etc) and if I see any lawbreaking I will document it on video and I WILL make a CITIZENS ARREST. I will be equiped with cell phone, video cam , still cam and a decidely neutral attitude with regard for the purpose of the rally. I will not, however, let an orderly process of movement by the citizens of this city be usurped by illegal occupation of streets, bridges, freeways, etc.
Protest is one thing, but total disregard for the rights of others to freely move about the city will not be tolerated by me or the hundreds of others who will show up tonight to help enforce the common sense laws we all require. Don't mess it up for yourselves and this city!!!
Jon

Hey JON! 21.Mar.2003 14:27

RANCE

Bitch, I hope you try to arrest me. None of us want the war, but not all of us are pacifists. Civil Disobedience is more than just a right, it's a necessity when your government is ruled by inhumane gangsters. To then complain about blocking traffic is like jumping into a vat of hydrochloric acid, the complaining that your foot itches. Wake up you idiot! We're shutting it down! And you're coming along with us!

jon.... 21.Mar.2003 14:46

.

Jon, I gotta say, if you're dumb enough to lay a hand on a protester in an emotionally charged atmosphere like a demo, you're probably going to end up surrounded by a lot of angry people.

If you really feel the need to suck up to the corporate goons that wear badges, you'd be better off videotaping whatever you see and turning it into the cops (like what happened at the New Years Eve riot a while back). Or maybe you could respect the american tradition that is civil disobediance.

War is not a viable alternative for the earth 21.Mar.2003 14:47

Sylvia S

Accentuate peace. Do not imitate the tactics of our govenment. Work on elections beginning with the smallest office near you. Take that on as your most important task or our world will not change.

Watch Yourselves 21.Mar.2003 14:50

lookout

I just heard that popo is at the Square ready and willing to go.

remember this is for piece. 21.Mar.2003 15:09

Scott all world piece

The constitution provides for our right to assemble. It does not provide a right to destroy property or trample the rights of other citizens. The right to free speech ends with vandalism and graffiti. I don't see your indignation against Sadam for killing his own citizens with mustard gas, or living in a palace while many of his people are living in poverty. If you attempted to gather in Iraq in opposition to policy chances are your family would never find you body. When we assemble lets keep it peaceful and try and win over other Portlanders rather than alienate the people we live and work with.

Don't waste your time blocking traffic 21.Mar.2003 15:09

Aaron mitigated-disaster@db0.net

<i>Accentuate peace. Do not imitate the tactics of our govenment. Work on elections beginning with the smallest office near you. Take that on as your most important task or our world will not change. </i>

Sylvia's right. Blocking a road pisses people off. Visible, sensible protest changes their minds. Use your energy in ways that can help everyone instead of inconveniencing people.


Jon = Nazi lover 21.Mar.2003 15:11

made up

Hey Jon--have you read Senate Bill 742? You know, the one which will label you as a terrorist just for being with the rest of us marchers? The one which will grant you life inprisonment for it? Yeah, I guess civil disobedience is really bad, but I've got an idea. Why don't you get a clue? You are losing your civil liberties (742 is just the tip of the iceberg and hopefully will not pass) and if you discourage folks from marching, you will have yourself to thank if you end up in jail for expressing your beliefs.

I think those folks who march in the streets are a step ahead of you in terms of awareness. They realize that their government has stopped listening to them and that the only way to get its attention is to strike it in the pocketbook.

And guess what?!? I don't care if the police are at the square. If they want to spend time with us, that's fine.

Citizenship 21.Mar.2003 15:33

Andrew Sheppard

America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center-stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.

I'll be there too 21.Mar.2003 15:42

Watching

I'll be there to watch the protestors. First one I see commit an act of violence, attack a police officer or deface/destroy property will get a beat down and handed over to the police. Anyone ever hear of a concealed weapons permit? Be my geust to interfere.

Fascist State Quislings on the March! 21.Mar.2003 15:55

Lars the Infidel

So Mr. Watching will be packing heat?! Anyone crazed enough to pull out a gun in a protest crowd will probably never see his home again. You will be swarmed and disarmed and God knows what else. And I don't believe that includes being handed over to the police.

Trouble finds those who cause it.... 21.Mar.2003 15:57

Jon

Interesting responses from some of you. I am not fostering the notion of "looking for a fight" - just the opposite, really. If a group of people wish to trample the notion of Freedom of Movement and the right to peaceably conduct business - well, all I can say is that you are opening yourselves up for a situation that may resolve itself to your distinct disliking. Protest is fundamental - impeding innocent bystanders or drivers is not. Make the correct choices tonight and avoid what happened last night. The cops are not going to be as "sentimental" tonight!!
Jon

Fuck off jon and watching 21.Mar.2003 16:03

?

Look Jon and watching I don't really give a fuck about your threats. The time for useless protesting is over. Bush him self said that he does not care what the protesters have to say. Don't you get it We have to make Shrub care. I'm not going to gatherings for peace. I'm Gathering, because we need a fucking revolution.

Friday Rally? 21.Mar.2003 16:12

Domino

Were are people meeting for the Friday rally... and what is the PPRC?

Piece 21.Mar.2003 16:15

Scott All world piece

To think that Jon and Watching are the only citizens willing to defend there rights is foolish. To attend a PIECE rally with the intent of destroying property in ignorant. Get your dictionary out I am sure you cant understand words with more than four letters. "?"

The bus is leaving... 21.Mar.2003 16:22

Jon

To all you young Turks out there who salivate at the prospect of anarchy and minor violence tonight:
Don't bring it - you will only set yourselves up for a rude awakening. Tonight the cops will not be as sypathetic.
There are those in the crowd who will not see the humor in what you do, nor will they be so restrained as to let it pass. Peacefull protest impresses everybody. Rocks, bricks, bats, paint, etc. will only mobilize those who are diametrically more adamant than you are.

&quot;Peace&quot; marchers true colors 21.Mar.2003 16:22

Lefty lefty@trotsky.org

Wow all those threats of violence from "peace" protesters. You show your true colors. You could care less about people in Iraq or anywhere else. What you really want is to disrupt commerce, shut down traffic, and strike a blow for your real goal--revolution, bringing down capitalism, and starting a socialist regime similar to North Korea. Good luck, you guys, you'll need it.

die-in 21.Mar.2003 16:24

ignite

someone should stage a die-in at pioneer square. i'm sure you could find a couple hundred people to participate, and it would be effective without pissing people off by blocking traffic, etc.

wage peace, guys.

tsk...tsk... 21.Mar.2003 16:25

jomba

The only thing more pitiful than the ignorance and herd mentality demonstrated last night is that it will happen again tonight. What could have been a cool thing became a ironic satire punctuated by adolescent behavior distracting from any real message.

Hopefully Vera puts the ignorant over here knee tonight so that we can all get on with the message of peace.

peace lovers and violence, and to Scott 21.Mar.2003 16:40

made up

Standing up for the right to exercise free speech is not a preemptive strike. It is reactive. All I see is protestors saying they aren't going to put up with any violence from right wingers. It is not pre-emptive, like your goon pResident GWB prefers.

In similar fashion, when the Koreans were enslaved, they taught themselves Tae Kwon Do and rose up against their oppressors. You can be sure there was much violence, but that they craved peace.

And to Scott--Where is YOUR indignation at America having placed Saddam in power and given him weapons of mass destruction, and continueing to give him those weapons for 18 months after he "gassed his own people"? We are pissed that Saddam killed his own people, but we (and the rest of the world including the vast majority Britain, Spain and Australia) recognize international law and think that it's better to obey it than to go around the world Hitler-style taking over countries which serve our strategic interests.

Death 21.Mar.2003 16:42

Dieing soon

Remember some one gave their life to stop this war down in San Francisco yesterday. Today we need to make certain that person didn't give His/her life for no reason. We need to fight to stop this war.

No one is innocent 21.Mar.2003 16:47

.

>Protest is one thing, but total disregard for the rights of others to freely move about the city
-----------

The people who are being "inconvenienced" are not innocent.

The only people who are innocent are:

1. Iraqi civilians

2. People who refuse to pay war taxes.

how inconvenient... 21.Mar.2003 16:53

tron

how sadly i feel for all of those poor motorists who were inconvenienced last night. it must be really terrible to have to stop in traffic and wait for an extra few minutes. oh, the hardship of being a nation at war. my heart bleeds for you, really.

Protest Pix 21.Mar.2003 16:55

tim tim@oregongrapevine.com

Protest Pix from yesterday's march

 http://oregongrapevine.com/p03.20.03.htm


Peaceful/Legal vs. &quot;Inconvenient&quot; 21.Mar.2003 17:02

esmerelda

> We have to make Shrub care.

And the way to make the President of the United States of America care about your views is to sit on a freeway, spraypaint a bridge, or bash in someone's window?

Personally I thought the protests last night were effective. One thing protest can do is inspire other citizens to action, and it worked on me. I had decided to end all my activist activities because I felt broken and tired and bored and cynical and disgusted. But I saw y'all on my TV screen and changed my mind (after only one day of my No More Politics decision).

I don't think the Shrub and his people are ever going to give a flying fuck what we think in Little Beirut. But we may change the minds of our fellow citizens -- and that is going to happen by keeping things cool and not destroying people's property. Not that I don't get a thrill sitting down on a fast freeway, because I've done it before, too, but it makes sense to do a few radical, symbolic actions and move along. Getting the entire public to hate you is just predictable and pointless.

Do you REALLY care about Arab world? 21.Mar.2003 17:05

gloria

Protests and riots in Arab countries were significantly smaller than those in the US. Seems that the people in Arab countries are far less upset by the US attack on Saddam Hussein than people in the US. Why is that?

Some possibilities:
- The public in Arab countries is far more knowledgable on the situation with Saddam Hussein in the Middle East. Thus they wish to see Hussein removed from power.
- This country values liberties and freedom - and is thus significantly more tolerant of both civil disobedience and uncivil disobedience.
- Life in America here is too easy - so we have no appreciation for this country. Americans are arrogant and spoiled.

What do you think?

Demos are losing credibility 21.Mar.2003 17:15

prof

Demos are losing credibility. I have listened to several people at work today - and most of them are of the opinion that the "protesters" have no clue about the issue they are protesting. They suspect these folks are "protesting" because it gives them a rush of exhiliration, sorta like skydiving or bungee jumping.

People, you got to at least have some knowledge of what you are "protesting" about so you do not look ridiculous out there. I am seeing quite a change in public opinion - it is moving against protesters. (Do you truly represent "the people" anymore?)

why I protest 21.Mar.2003 17:45

e e c

i protest because
although i may not have an effect on saving the lives of people in iraq
i might make my representative think about how he votes the next time he has the chance to keep my country from invading another country
i protest not only this war
i protest all war
i am afraid that
especialy with this administration in the whitehouse
iraq is not the last country where regime change will be proposed

why I protest 21.Mar.2003 17:47

e e c

i protest because
although i may not have an effect on saving the lives of people in iraq
i might make my representative think about how he votes the next time he has the chance to keep my country from invading another country
i protest not only this war
i protest all war
i am afraid that
especialy with this administration in the whitehouse
iraq is not the last country where regime change will be proposed

No protests in Arab countries? 21.Mar.2003 18:00

fact checker

Let's see some numbers, Gloria.

re. 21.Mar.2003 18:07

Aureliano

"and most of them are of the opinion that the "protesters" have no clue about the issue they are protesting."

Wow. Well if they think that, that's a damn shame. I'm "of the opinion" that THEY are uninformed. If I was to sit around and watch the News instead of actually dialoging with anti-war protestors I would probably come to that conclusion as well.

Ignorance of your co-workers is too bad, but it's not going to put a stop to the peace movement.

&quot;dialoging with anti-war protestors&quot; huh? 21.Mar.2003 20:23

dayglo

Aureliano, so you think the only trustworty source of information is to "dialoge with anti-war protestors"? How arrogant - you must think you and your crowd are the fountain of truth.

What a fantasy world you live in.

The Real World!!! 21.Mar.2003 20:52

The Real Man

Face it...war is a reality. Your right to protest and your very lives was and is supported by the blood of the martyrs who have in the past, are in the present, and will in the future die for America in conflict.

Make the cops go broke! 21.Mar.2003 21:03

?

Vera's claiming that the cops did not have the manpower to arrests all of us last night. Any one know how much of that five hundred thousand dollar police over time budget was spent over the last few days. The way I see it even if the whole dam town hates us the least we can do is make the cops go broke. Maybe people will change their minds if the National Guard gets deployed.

what the mother 21.Mar.2003 21:38

monkey goodstudent95@hotmail.com

why is it that you think the war is unneccasary? so you think that saddam is an upstanding guy? we are not there just for the oil!! we should have taken saddam out a long time ago. if we have the power to stop him, which we do, then we should use it. we should, along with other world powers, be taking a more active role in the world. if you were to see someone drowning on your way home or on your way to work would you stop to help? well iraq and other 3rd world countries are in need of some desperate help. people want peace but they forget that saddam has murdered millions of his own people. why should we let some sick bastard that gasses his own people stay in power? there is so much going on, and a simple "no war" is not going to help anything. if you want an alternative to the war. start thinking.

monkey, don't be a sheep 21.Mar.2003 23:12

parrot

We all know Saddam sucks. We're all glad to see him go. What's troubling us is the way in which it is being done--against international law, and against American law (the president may not declare war without the vote of congress), and against world opinion.

IF we were really going to make a free and prosperous Iraq after deposing Saddam, you can be sure there wouldn't be so much opposition, but let's look at the facts:
1. Saddam was installed in Iraq by... America.
2. Saddam was provided with weapons of mass destruction by... America.
3. Saddam gassed his own people, and... America kept on providing him with WMD's for another 18 months.
4. When Saddam was knocked to the ropes by the first Gulf War and America had rallied the people of Iraq against him... America pulled back and sat on the sidelines and watched as Saddam slaughtered thousands of "his own people".
5. Then, over half a million kids under the age of 5 died because of contaminated water which came about because... America refused to allow Iraq sufficient quantities of chlorine because it is a dual use chemical.

Why would we believe that America will do it any better this time around? Have you read up on how well Afghanistan is currently doing? It's not doing well. Women are again oppressed. Religious nutcases (who, if you care to know, got that way because they were educated with Islamist textbooks supplied by George Bush senior and written at the University of Nebraska) again rule the day. In fact, for every country you can name that America successfully "liberated and democratized", I can name far more where it failed.

How do you explain why America ignores some countries that are far worse off than Iraq (see East Timor under Indonesian rule, see Rhwanda, and so on)? It's because there's not shit in it for "the man" to plunder.

Your heart's in the right place, but I really think that you, and not just we, have a lot of thinking to do. Do you have a rebuttal to what I've written?

Monkey, does it bother you that ... 22.Mar.2003 15:57

please think

... the reasons the Bush administration has given for attacking Iraq continually change? Consider ...

The initial reason we were given why we need to invade Iraq is because the Iraqi government was involved in the planning of 9-11.

Whoops! that didn't turn out to be correct. How about this ...

Okay they didnt help plan 9-11 but they are sponsers of al Qaeda and bin Laden.

Whoops! that didn't turn out to be correct. How about this ...

They have *** loads of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons ...

Whoops! that didn't turn out to be correct. How about this ...

Saddam Hussein is evil and we must spread democracy to the region ...

Sounds okay, but do you believe the U.S. governments motives? Consider that we are going to occupy Iraq militarily for at least four years. After we hand the government over to a puppet dictator (see our adventures in Iran, Indonesia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, etc. etc.) we are going to build numerous U.S. military bases throughout Iraq. Would you have any problem with Iraq building military bases and maintaining a troop count of tens of thousands in the U.S.? Does it bother you that we are espousing the democratization of Iraq when we give Turkey 80% of its military aid, a military that has killed 60,000 of its citizens over the past decade. Does it bother you that our strongest Arab ally is Saudi Arabia with a regime nearly as fundamentalist as the Taliban? Does it bother you to see that the first thing U.S. troops did after taking over the southern Iraqi city of Basra is do plant the U.S. flag in the ground, claiming the oil fields as ours? Does any of this bode well for the future of the Iraq ppl? for the future of the world's peoples?