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War soon please.

Wake up from the ditto storm.
Think for yourself and do not follow the heard in the streets of DC.
Leaders:


As a citizen of the United States, I am tired of our open checkbook and the aiding of our opposition.

The United States is trying to stop terrorism and aide the world. However, we are continually being beaten down by those that the US has aided and profit from living or doing business within the United States. An example would be our continuing aid to Russia, foreign visas for students of Germany, open trade with Mexico, Import of products from France, etc, etc¡­

While this is an isolationist approach the debate in congress needs to occur so that are former allies see that we are not an open bleeding hart checkbook walk on me country that is not beyond action and sanctions against those that oppose us and threaten our security. I submit the following as items for discussion.

What needs to be discussed?

1. A full boycott and ban on all French products mandated by congress and enforced by law.

2. An end to NAFTA, tariffs on trade, and no more vehicles registered in Mexico allowed on US highways if they will not join with us on the UN vote regarding Iraq.

3. A stop to all US aid and food exports to Russia.

4. The US needs to implement a full ban on all German cars, products, and revoke visas for visitors of Germany.

5. For Germany, Mexico, Iraq, Iran and France order all citizens currently here on green cards or visas to be removed from the United States at once.

6. At the end of the war, stipulate that Russia, Germany, and France's contracts will no longer be honored and that Britain, Australia and any other country that sends troops to help with Iraq War II will be the only countries allowed to provide import and exports to Iraq.

7. Stop all trade and revoke visas with countries that are against the United States war on Iraq.

8. Companies located in the United States that are sister companies of corporations headquartered in Russia, Mexico, Germany and France will have all assets frozen and sold to support the War with Iraq.

9. Citizens that conspire to or intentionally cause disruption to the flow of business and commerce or hinder any part of the US military or unduly tie up resources dedicated to the security or commerce of the United States should at a minimum be finned and serve community service and a maximum be faced with jail and/or prison time.

10. The United States should recover the cost of this war as a service to the world from Iraq and from future business ventures by having the first priority to business contracts concerning Iraq's affairs. Additionally, the assets of foreign countries that are in the United States and dissent the United States and attempt to harbor or aid terrorism (i.e. Aid in any fashion the continuance of Saddam¡¯s regime) will be absorbed or sold for profit by the United States government.

11. Human Shields returning from Iraq to the United States should be treated as enemy combatants and handled under United States treasons laws.

12. The full liberation and disarmament of Iraq is a must. The removal of Saddam and his military apparatus by any means necessary to securer world peace.

The idea is to start at one end of the spectrum and find appropriate consequences for those that choose to allow terror to be breed and aid its cause by actively giving support in any form to Iraq or terrorism. If you do not support stopping terrorism and go out of the way to allow it to continue then this is in effect aiding Saddam and/or terrorism.

Open congressional meetings on Laws regarding the Terrorization of America by countries, corporations, and individual actors would help let the world know that we are serious and reacting to opposition to our continued security and success as a nation.

My hope is that individuals, corporations, and countries will know that to buttress Iraq or Terrorism will not be tolerated in this new world of peace via the removal or terrorism and anti-societal behavior and unions.
zpnac 11.Mar.2003 06:11

April in Baghdad

By Donald Rumsfeld, Elliott Abrams, Richard L. Armitage,
William J. Bennett, Francis Fukuyama, Robert Kagan,
Zalmay Khalilzad, William Kristol, Richard Perle,
Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Frank Carlucci,
Midge Decter & Norman Podhoretz:


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"The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security.

While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification,
the
need
for
a
substantial
American
force
presence
in
the
Gulf
transcends <--
the <--
issue <--
of
the
regime
of
Saddam
Hussein."
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Zionist Project for the New American Century (p14)
-September 2000





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"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - LIKE A NEW PEARL HARBOR..."
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Zionist Project for the New American Century (p51)
-September 2000





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66 minutes at Perle Harbor
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The [9.25 stand-down] order, which has never been implemented since flying was invented in 1903, applied to virtually every single kind of machine that can takeoff-
civilian, MILITARY, or LAW ENFORCEMENT.

...at 10.31, the FAA allowed all military and law enforcement flights to resume.

 http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,174912,00.html

who the hell are you pig boy/girl 11.Mar.2003 06:23

slackboy

Fortunatly we still pay lip service to democracy in this country. rex the asshole seems to think otherwise. this scumbag is exemplar of the the bush regiems thoughts on the political future of this country. they would turn this society into the the very type that they proclaim to loath. this dipshit is indicative of the type of sociopath progressives will eventually have to confront if we wish any meaningful change in our world.

Think for yourself??? 11.Mar.2003 08:00

ranger

Rex; Why don't you stop following the herd of the mainstream media; spouting off the same old rhetoric that does not even come close to decribing the intentions of this administration in Iraq and other potential sites of conflict. Get a clue.

Education v. Right Wing Rage 11.Mar.2003 10:31

Friendly

I love how this person gratuitously adds "and unions" on the end. The mind so tightly clenches ignorance and blame around hurt feelings. What radiates out is rage, ignorant rage.

It's so much work to educate a person like this, it's exhausting to think about.

A reasoned response 11.Mar.2003 10:41

James

1. A full boycott and ban on all French products mandated by congress and enforced by law.

Result: France, our longtime ally, the very country to which we owe our indepence from Great Britain, would suddenly become a neautral country, unwilling to help us in any way shape or form. France would undoubtedly embargo all American products in response. I don't know about you, but I like Champagne.

2. An end to NAFTA, tariffs on trade, and no more vehicles registered in Mexico allowed on US highways if they will not join with us on the UN vote regarding Iraq.

The disruption to the economies of the Americas would be extreme. NAFTA has still not entirely come into full effect. An immediate end would be disastrous to American corporations which depend on the free flow of products between our countries. Countless thousands of jobs would be lost immediately, as companies could not get the goods they need to produce the products they make. Despite your views on NAFTA (I think it's fantastic), such an immediate end would be a economic depression-level event.

3. A stop to all US aid and food exports to Russia.

A largely symbolic gesture. At a time when America is trying to foster good relations with our former foe, this would be a terrible foreign policy move. But in practical matters, Russia only receives 73 million dollars/year in U.S. foreign aid, and that number is declining as Russia's market reforms take effect, and her economy recovers.

4. The US needs to implement a full ban on all German cars, products, and revoke visas for visitors of Germany.

See item 1 response for the first part of the question. For the second part - That would be so extraordinarily stupid, I could rant for hours. But for brevity's sake...

Ever hear the saying that natural resources alone have never made a country rich? They certainly do help, but for a truly rich nation you need rich minds. You get rich minds through immigration. German students attending school in the United States may opt to stay in the United States. This can have no effect other than positive. We should encourage German's to visit our country, for school or otherwise, to facilitate the free flow of ideas and culture.

5. For Germany, Mexico, Iraq, Iran and France order all citizens currently here on green cards or visas to be removed from the United States at once.

See item 4.

6. At the end of the war, stipulate that Russia, Germany, and France's contracts will no longer be honored and that Britain, Australia and any other country that sends troops to help with Iraq War II will be the only countries allowed to provide import and exports to Iraq.

This is just pure, unwavering imperialism (Read: The discarded policies of centuries past). What happened to your isolationist viewpoint? Your ideas are incoherent - they reflect "bumper sticker politics". A set of ideas that, while alone are not entirely crazy, together would be crazy.

7. Stop all trade and revoke visas with countries that are against the United States war on Iraq.

Does this item not pake items 1 and 4 superfluous? Is this a word problem, from my grammar school days? See response to item 1.

8. Companies located in the United States that are sister companies of corporations headquartered in Russia, Mexico, Germany and France will have all assets frozen and sold to support the War with Iraq

First, that's a strawman argument - we don't need any money to support the war with Iraq. (Well, we need to stop the war with Iraq, but...). The U.S. is more than capable of financing it. And secondly, the net result would almost certainly be NEGATIVE, as those same countries would freeze the assets of U.S.-headquarted companies with locations within their borders.

9. Citizens that conspire to or intentionally cause disruption to the flow of business and commerce or hinder any part of the US military or unduly tie up resources dedicated to the security or commerce of the United States should at a minimum be finned and serve community service and a maximum be faced with jail and/or prison time.

If we implemented your ideas, that would CERTAINLY be a disruption to the flow of business. Should we lock you up in prison? (My sources say 'yes').

10. The United States should recover the cost of this war as a service to the world from Iraq and from future business ventures by having the first priority to business contracts concerning Iraq's affairs. Additionally, the assets of foreign countries that are in the United States and dissent the United States and attempt to harbor or aid terrorism (i.e. Aid in any fashion the continuance of Saddam??s regime) will be absorbed or sold for profit by the United States government.

I can hardly even understand this item, but I'll try and respond all the same. First, it makes item 8 superfluous. Another word problem? And secondly, is this a thinnly-veiled suggestion that we should sell Iraqi oil for profit? If so, that again is unencumbered imperialism. Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqis. Iraqi business contracts belong to Iraqis (And their respective partners). The U.S., despite the costs of a war (that noone else wants), cannot possibly claim a right to such things.

11. Human Shields returning from Iraq to the United States should be treated as enemy combatants and handled under United States treasons laws.

You can't just "treat" someone as an enemy combatant. They either ARE or they AREN'T. In this case, they obviously AREN'T. Otherwise, we'll just "treat" you as an enemy combatant.

12. The full liberation and disarmament of Iraq is a must. The removal of Saddam and his military apparatus by any means necessary to securer world peace.

Well, that is the issue at hand. Myself, I disagree. (As do most all non neo-cons in the world). Iraq has never attacked the U.S. Ever. Not a single time. Supposedly, Iraq once planned an assasination attempt on President George H. W. Bush (41). That attempt was met with a cruise missile attack on critical command and control structures in Iraq (As it well should have been). But aside from that, all agression towards Iraq has come from the United States. In Gulf War Classic, Iraq illegally invaded Kuwait (With the expressed blessing of the U.S. State Department!). Later, they were expelled with force (As they should have been). But Iraq never used WMD on U.S. forces. To wit, it's not even clear that Iraq has EVER used WMD. The Kurds who were gassed in the north of Iraq were in an area that was, at the time, controlled by the state of Iran. That entire issue is irrelevant though. The fact of the matter is Iraq is significantly less dangerous than it was in '91. An invasion which will undoubtedly result in the deaths of countless thousand Iraqis can hardly now be justified.

This message has been brought to you by the letter 'P'.

You're a Nazi 11.Mar.2003 15:42

Rance

You are a confused person who watches too much television and believes the transparent bullshit that the administration slings at you. WE are the terrorists you ignorant hick. Wake up! Turn off the television, put down the beer, pull your head out of your ass and read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn.

Understand something: You are being loyal to a system that rejects you, that would rather kill you than help you.

when Rex&quot;84&quot; is not on the computer 11.Mar.2003 16:05

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