It's a Bird! t's a Plane! It's Chemtrails!

if your correct, and the govt. is spraying us, then they must have started in the 40's when the jet engine was invented, because as long as there have been jet engines, they have made contrails. Dude, can you say bigfoot ?

Yeah, Chemtrails! Another favorite obsession of Portland Indymedia clowns. Look up in the sky! Its some big white streak which I don't understand. It must be the mysterious Chemtrails! There is no way they could be the exhaust trails of commerical airliners. NO fucking way, dude. There must be some X-Files Government Conspiracy behind this. Better post it on Portland Indymedia, so my fellow Hippie freaks can discuss this issue!

Sometimes a strawman posting occurs to stage
a segment of what I call right noise.
The two contrails shown are most likely that.
Two contrails.
Now we have a 'discussion' serving to trivialize
the assault on the population by the same evil
bastards who gave us anthrax, 9-11,and the various
other BFs and RFs we get to try and live through.
A biological 'attack' from those 'terrorists' is
just what the doctor ordered to clamp in martial law.

...Dan and UFO-oligist -- balding, beer belly, bad breath and can't remember the last time ya'll got laid. You hoist a big manly gun behind you in yer Ford pick-up truck in case anything jumps out at you, like a gentle wandering deer who is just unfortunate enough to end up in the path of your headlights. You trust your government because they are supremicists, just like you. I wonder if you think that means you'll be spared just because you're so gullible to everything that the government is spoon-feeding you. Why aren't you overseas poised with finger on control to drop missiles on innocent iraqis instead of trolling the internet? isn't that more your speed?

"You cannot convince me that these trails are the contrails of two airplanes that are simply engaging in an early morning rendevouz in the sky because airplanes do not fly that close together, nor in that formation."

You're right, we can't convince you because you refuse to acknowledge commonly-known facts often discussed in grade-school science class, or known to any interested layperson who has every flown in an airliner.

They're contrails, but not those of two airplanes "engaging in an early morning rendezvous." If you knew the slightest thing about aviation, you'd know that a rendezvous is the last thing airliners want in the sky. You'd also know that civil airliners fly along fixed routes at fixed altitude on their way to and from various airports. These two were most likely heading to or from San Francisco or LA and Seattle. It's likely they were several thousand feet apart in altitude, and several minutes apart in actual time, since contrails can last for a while. Airplanes do fly "that close together" all the time, but they weren't really that close. They do fly "in that formation" which isn't really a formation, but simply two airliners at slightly different time following established airline routes. Military jets often fly much closer together, sometimes practically wingtip-to-wingtip.

You'd also know that the presence of the high-altitude clouds in the photos are indicators that conditions are favorable for the formation of contrails. The photo also tells me that the contrails are not over Eugene at all, but probably halfway between Eugene and the Cascades. Given that prevailing winds in these parts tend to be from a westerly direction, these so-called "poisons" would fall on very sparsely-inhabited regions.

The sheer ignorance displayed by the "chemtrail" fanatics is mind-boggling. The government is doing some pretty nasty stuff all over the world. Our government, led by a man with Nazi-sympathizer grandfathers, is about to unleash unprecedented destruction on the citizens of Iraq in the name of oil profits. According to Bill Moyers on his PBS program NOW last night, the war could also serve as an excuse to introduce legislation cutting into civil liberties far worse than the US PATRIOT Act did, bringing the United States that much closer to a Nazi-style police state.

There's really bad stuff going on out there, brought to you by the fanatics of the far right who control our government. Focus on those, not the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs.

"-...the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in
the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs...-"
And certain senators who have decried their use.

Carnicom's site--best overall.
at this site, scroll down the *left-hand* side menu for the picture links titled 'Normal Contrails 1-2-3'. Then look at the pictures titled 'Megasprayer'.
 http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Chemtrails Over America
 http://home1.gte.net/quakker/documents/chemtrails_over_america.htm

Earth Island Journal:
Stolen Skies--The Chemtrail Mystery
 http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/new_articles.cfm?articleID=585&journalID=64

Mysterious Webs Drop From Skies
 http://www.galvnews.com/report.lasso?wcd=6722

US makes weather control powder
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1469610.stm

Megasprayer News
 http://web.tampabay.rr.com/mega/

Jet Contrails reference site
 http://www.astro.ku.dk/~holger/ida/notes.html#191

Hamilton Indymedia link
 http://portland.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=13240&group=webcast

"-...the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in
the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs...-"
And certain senators who have decried their use.

Let's not forget commercial patents and military documents.

But let us also not forget that contrails are not chemtrails and vice versa. But it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. But please, be skeptical, just don't be dogmaticly faithful to the idea that this isn't happening. Here's some more links to get you started:

Probably the most convicing picture set I've seen (where the posted images have come from)
 link to www.chemtrailcentral.com

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS
(check out 1950-53)
 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
(from the US Air Force itself)
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/bulletin/bulletin.htm

CHEMTRAILS are RESULT of a "MILITARY EXERCISE"
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/milop/milop.html

DOD/DOE admit to aerial spray program
 link to pub8.ezboard.com

Chemtrail Central
 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

USA Biological Warfare on its citizens
 http://www.world-action.co.uk/biological.html

Chemtrail Message Board
 http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails

Responseto Willamette Week Chemtrail story
 http://pub25.ezboard.com/fsurfingtheapocalypsefrm4.showMessage?topicID=35.topic

William Thomas
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/homepage.html

Picture Page
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/chempics/chempics.htm

"-...the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in
the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs...-"
And certain senators who have decried their use.

Let's not forget commercial patents and military documents.

But let us also not forget that contrails are not chemtrails and vice versa. But it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. But please, be skeptical, just don't be dogmaticly faithful to the idea that this isn't happening. Here's some more links to get you started:

Probably the most convicing picture set I've seen (where the posted images have come from)
 link to www.chemtrailcentral.com

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS
(check out 1950-53)
 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
(from the US Air Force itself)
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/bulletin/bulletin.htm

CHEMTRAILS are RESULT of a "MILITARY EXERCISE"
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/milop/milop.html

DOD/DOE admit to aerial spray program
 link to pub8.ezboard.com

Chemtrail Central
 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

USA Biological Warfare on its citizens
 http://www.world-action.co.uk/biological.html

Chemtrail Message Board
 http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails

Responseto Willamette Week Chemtrail story
 http://pub25.ezboard.com/fsurfingtheapocalypsefrm4.showMessage?topicID=35.topic

William Thomas
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/homepage.html

Picture Page
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/chempics/chempics.htm

"-...the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in
the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs...-"
And certain senators who have decried their use.

Let's not forget commercial patents and military documents.

But let us also not forget that contrails are not chemtrails and vice versa. But it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. But please, be skeptical, just don't be dogmaticly faithful to the idea that this isn't happening. Here's some more links to get you started:

Probably the most convicing picture set I've seen (where the posted images have come from)
 link to www.chemtrailcentral.com

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS
(check out 1950-53)
 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
(from the US Air Force itself)
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/bulletin/bulletin.htm

CHEMTRAILS are RESULT of a "MILITARY EXERCISE"
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/milop/milop.html

DOD/DOE admit to aerial spray program
 link to pub8.ezboard.com

Chemtrail Central
 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

USA Biological Warfare on its citizens
 http://www.world-action.co.uk/biological.html

Chemtrail Message Board
 http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails

Responseto Willamette Week Chemtrail story
 http://pub25.ezboard.com/fsurfingtheapocalypsefrm4.showMessage?topicID=35.topic

William Thomas
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/homepage.html

Picture Page
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/chempics/chempics.htm

"-...the silliness of "chemtrails" which exist only in
the fevered minds of paranoid hypochondriacs...-"
And certain senators who have decried their use.

Let's not forget commercial patents and military documents.

But let us also not forget that contrails are not chemtrails and vice versa. But it's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. But please, be skeptical, just don't be dogmaticly faithful to the idea that this isn't happening. Here's some more links to get you started:

Probably the most convicing picture set I've seen (where the posted images have come from)
 link to www.chemtrailcentral.com

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS
(check out 1950-53)
 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
(from the US Air Force itself)
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/bulletin/bulletin.htm

CHEMTRAILS are RESULT of a "MILITARY EXERCISE"
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/milop/milop.html

DOD/DOE admit to aerial spray program
 link to pub8.ezboard.com

Chemtrail Central
 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

USA Biological Warfare on its citizens
 http://www.world-action.co.uk/biological.html

Chemtrail Message Board
 http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails

Responseto Willamette Week Chemtrail story
 http://pub25.ezboard.com/fsurfingtheapocalypsefrm4.showMessage?topicID=35.topic

William Thomas
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/homepage.html

Picture Page
 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/chempics/chempics.htm

The label of "chemtrail-kooks" coming from people claiming to be skeptical must then apply to Representative Kucinich who drafted legislation specifically directed at chemtrails and other covert and Strategic Defense Initiative projects.

Remember: to claim the title of skepticism one must first examine all available evidence and then ask questions. Aside from the fact that contrails cannot persist longer than 20 minutes in the best of conditions, we have this bill. My first question would be why would a respectable Democratic Congressman risk his political career for something imaginary?

Here is an execrpt of Rep. Dennis Kucinich's Space Preservation Act of 2001. In the weapons systems listed, chemtrails are clearly indicated as an extant system this bill sought to ban.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails(!!);

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons(!!!); and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

 http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

But that's not all. The reason many believe the HAARP technology and the chemtrail program are related are because of Bernard J. Eastlund's U.S. Patent # 4,686,605 , "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere" which was sealed for a year under a government Secrecy Order.

This is not just some random patent that was never used. This is one of the patents associated with the Highly Active Auroral Research Project which is up and running, managed by--you guessed it--the United States Air Force.

A sample:
" Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. ... molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc., concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased..."

Are we seeing any correlations yet? Have we met a standard of proof that would encourage the skeptical to ask still more questions or are we still talking about some "chemtrail-kooks"?

I think that the above speaks for itself.

Right on. These are real, so skeptics get over it.

i have observed the so called ice crstal idea for over 20 years now airplains that seem to fly in any direction with outlanding, making huge crosses in the air weather changing before my eyes clouds above bighamton ny
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