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What would Treebeard do?

We've all seen the "What would Jesus Do?" T shirts worn by fundamentalists. Well, we can turn that message back against Bush by changing it to "What would Treebeard Do?" and showing a picture of an ent and/or a circle of SUV's surrounding a smokestack.
Just imagine the impact!
Uhhhhh... 26.Jan.2003 10:23


I don't get this. What am I missing?

I don't get this. What am I missing? 26.Jan.2003 11:12


You missed a mult-hundreds of millions of dollars, ultra-high-tech movie extravaganza on the evils of technology.

In other words, not much.

the movie had a definite anti-industrial bent 26.Jan.2003 11:50


"we shall enter a new age; " intones Suruman
"that of fire and and iron " as emphasis to this - showing a tree crashing into a fiery pit in the same scene.

It may take high powered media to sway the minds of others.

Oh, Hobbit stuff 26.Jan.2003 13:48


I don't have any problem with the movies, I just don't go to the theater much. Maybe, the anti industrial message will filter into the American mind, but I can think of better ways. Oh well.

i can reeeeeeaaaaddddd 26.Jan.2003 15:52

frodo's hairy toe

hey did anyone know they have written a book based on the film? fantastic, now we can simply read it rather than sit through three hours of arse numbing cinema.

Movie was based on Book. 27.Jan.2003 02:27


Uh, guys, the movie was based on the book. I had the whole series read to me when I was ten. It saddens me that nobody knows anything about the Tolkein classics. They were written in the 1940's. Excellent stories, beautifully written, and soooo frighteningly pertinent to what is happening now. So, yes, read "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, and the Hobbit, too, for good measure. But the movie was fun , too. I have a hard time criticizing a good work of art, even though it is a big media blitz.

WRONG 27.Jan.2003 11:40


Tolkein loathed analogy and in interviews he had repeatedly said that his Rings books were NOT ANALOGOUS to our world. So stop the analogy crap.

There! 27.Jan.2003 12:11


the two towers!

bush is sauron!

fuck the u.s.!

error in logic 27.Jan.2003 12:28


Just because Tolkien disliked using allegory and analogy that doesn't mean the story isn't pertinent to current events. What Tolkien disliked was writing a story to force a particular opinion on someone; that is constructing a story to support a particular woldview. While I won't dismiss out of hand books that do this (Alice in Wonderland is a good example) I do agree that it can become tedious (like the Celestine Prophesy). But Tolkien's work reflected his beliefs: an apreciation of the natural world and supporting it and an intense dislike of industry and the death of the natural world it was bringing. Tolkien had a notorious distaste for machinery in general as illustrated by this quote condeming the internal combustion engine:

"It is full Maytime by the trees and grass now. But the heavens are full of roar and riot. You cannot even hold a shouting conversation in the garden now, save about 1 a.m. and 7 p.m.-unless the day is too foul to be out. How I wish the 'infernal combustion' engine had never been invented. Or (more difficult still since humanity and engineers in special are both nitwitted an malicious as a rule) that it could have been put to rational uses-if any... "

In any case, Tolkien served in World War I and lived through World War II and those experiences did shape his novels. Although he said that he was not writing an allegory of the World Wars and that the evil villains in the stories were not analogies of Stalin and Hitler that does not mean the books cannot be used to find meaning and gain understanding. This is not what Tolkien disliked. He simply didn't want to force his views on others and hence has said repeatedly that his books were not written as allegory. This is good because once something becomes allegory (like War of the Worlds, or Alice In Wonderland) it becomes more difficult to separate the story from the allegory. What Tolkien achieves is something more timeless, something that can be used to analyze both the world of his day and the world of ours or it can remain something to be enjoyed without seeking any meaning in particular.




art is not made in a vacuum 27.Jan.2003 13:58

GRINGO STARS gringo_stars@attbi.com

"My political opinions lean more and more to anarchy. The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."
-- J. R. R. Tolkein, in a letter to his son, Christopher, who was serving in the RAF

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."
-- The Two Towers, J. R. R. Tolkein

"All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost"
-- The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkein

"Of course, it is likely enough, my friends," he said slowly, "likely enough that we are going to our doom: the last march of the Ents. But if we stayed at home and did nothing, doom would find us anyway, sooner or later. That thought has long been growing in our hearts; and that is why we are marching now. It was not a hasty resolve. Now at least the last march of the Ents may be worth a song. Aye," he sighed, "we may help the other peoples before we pass away."
-- The Two Towers, J. R. R. Tolkein

Politics of the Time 27.Jan.2003 18:11


Also, Tolkein would have lost his tenure as a professor, and would not have been published if he had said it was an analogy to the current political climate. All art is analogous, we relate to it because it speaks to us in ways we can relate to our lives. It is written by a human, in a human life. if we can understand it at all, if it means anything, it can relate to other human experiences. World war II itself could be considered an analogy for our own time, but it certainly wasn't at the time. I love to see that people have really done some research here, and that imagination and reading is not completely dead.