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CENSORSHIP AT INDYMEDIA?

Censorship At Indymedia depends on which computer you submit your story to. One computer is particularly bad (and I mean its systems administrators, or whoever, really censor heavily). Many European Indy sites, nyc.indymedia.org, and sydney.indymedia.org are on this machine (which seems to be located on Unites States East Coast).
CENSORSHIP AT INDYMEDIA?

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If you run the INDYMEDIA IP addresses by a DNS server you find the following:

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Name: adelaide.indymedia.org.au
Address: 203.12.146.250
Aliases: adelaide.indymedia.org

Name: www.cat.org.au
Address: 203.53.14.41
Aliases: www.indymedia.org.nz

Name: conway.cat.org.au
Address: 203.53.14.41
Aliases: brisbane.indymedia.org

Name: jakarta.indymedia.org.au
Address: 203.12.146.250
Aliases: jakarta.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: melbourne.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: sydney.indymedia.org

Name: nigeria.indymedia.org
Address: 216.243.113.25

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: southafrica.indymedia.org, sa.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org

Name: bear.indymedia.org
Address: 216.243.113.25
Aliases: athens.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: austria.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: barcelona.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: belgium.indymedia.org

Name: brisimc.www.southspace.net
Address: 217.207.126.51
Aliases: bristol.indymedia.org

Name: zero.bandwidthcoop.org
Address: 216.243.113.29
Aliases: cyprus.indymedia.org, zero.indymedia.org

Name: euskalherria.indymedia.org
Address: 212.100.230.21

Name: www.vaikuttava.net
Address: 194.29.194.26

Name: germany.indymedia.org
Addresses: 134.102.6.205, 213.73.91.34, 216.231.32.98

Name: indymedia.ie
Address: 66.39.75.250
Aliases: ireland.indymedia.org

Name: italy.indymedia.org
Address: 212.100.230.23

Name: fanelli.sindominio.net
Address: 213.172.36.134
Aliases: madrid.indymedia.org, acp.sindominio.net

Name: indymedia.nl
Address: 192.87.116.7

Name: defiance.copyleft.no
Address: 213.151.134.68
Aliases: www.indymedia.no

Name: portugal.indymedia.org
Address: 212.100.230.20
Aliases: pt.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: prague.indymedia.org

Name: mule.mutualaid.org
Address: 66.92.157.137
Aliases: russia.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: sweden.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: switzerland.indymedia.org

Name: bear.indymedia.org
Address: 216.243.113.25
Aliases: thessaloniki.indymedia.org

Name: sharedweb.srv.poptel.org.uk
Address: 213.55.14.32
Aliases: www.indymedia.org.uk

Name: ender.indymedia.org
Address: 64.69.77.162
Aliases: alberta.indymedia.org, calgary.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: hamilton.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: maritimes.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: montreal.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: ontario.indymedia.org

Name: ottawa.indymedia.ca
Address: 66.11.170.74

Name: cmaq.net
Address: 216.46.21.42
Aliases: quebec.indymedia.org, www.cmaq.net

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: thunderbay.indymedia.org, stray.indymedia.org

Name: ender.indymedia.org
Address: 64.69.77.162
Aliases: vancouver.indymedia.org

Name: ender.indymedia.org
Address: 64.69.77.162
Aliases: victoria.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: windsor.indymedia.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: argentina.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org
Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: bolivia.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: brasil.indymedia.org

Name: chiapas.indymedia.org
Address: 216.89.24.62

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: chile.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: colombia.indymedia.org, stray.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: ecuador.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: mexico.indymedia.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: peru.indymedia.org, stray.indymedia.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: uruguay.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org
Name: indymedia.org.il
Address: 65.18.167.60

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: jerusalem.indymedia.org, stray.indymedia.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: arizona.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: atlanta.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: austin.indymedia.org

Name: baltimoreimc.org
Address: 207.87.59.92
Aliases: baltimore.indymedia.org, www.baltimoreimc.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: boston.indymedia.org

Name: buffalo.indymedia.org
Address: 216.153.135.84

Name: zero.bandwidthcoop.org
Address: 216.243.113.29
Aliases: cfl.indymedia.org, zero.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: chicago.indymedia.org

Name: www.madhattersimc.org
Address: 64.29.16.110

Name: mule.mutualaid.org
Address: 66.92.157.137
Aliases: dc.indymedia.org

Name: judi.indymedia.org
Address: 67.113.144.26
Aliases: eugene.indymedia.org

Name: indyhawaii.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: www.indyhawaii.org

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: houston.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org
stray.indymedia.org
Name: idaho.indymedia.org
Address: 208.39.216.125

Name: zero.bandwidthcoop.org
Address: 216.243.113.29
Aliases: ithaca.indymedia.org, zero.indymedia.org

Name: la.indymedia.org
Address: 216.89.24.61

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: madison.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: maine.indymedia.org

Name: www.michiganimc.org
Address: 68.41.28.127

Name: www.stlimc.org
Address: 216.90.94.160
Aliases: milwaukee.indymedia.org, stlouis.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: twincities.indymedia.org, minneapolis.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: newjersey.indymedia.org

Name: zero.bandwidthcoop.org
Address: 216.243.113.29
Aliases: newmexico.indymedia.org, nm.indymedia.org, zero.indymedia.org

Name: chapelhill.indymedia.org
Address: 152.2.210.81

Name: ntimc.org
Address: 66.197.72.127
Aliases: www.ntimc.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: nycap.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: nyc.indymedia.org

Name: phillyimc.org
Address: 207.106.76.109
Aliases: www.phillyimc.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: portland.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: richmond.indymedia.org

Name: zero.bandwidthcoop.org
Address: 216.243.113.29
Aliases: rochester.indymedia.org, zero.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: rockymountain.indymedia.org

Name: sandiego.indymedia.org
Address: 132.239.126.17

Name: sf.indymedia.org
Address: 209.133.53.78

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: santacruz.indymedia.org

Name: seattle.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98

Name: www.stlimc.org
Address: 216.90.94.160
Aliases: stlouis.indymedia.org

Name: urbana.indymedia.org
Address: 64.5.70.195

Name: stray.linefeed.org
Address: 216.218.240.191
Aliases: utah.indymedia.org, linefeed.indymedia.org, stray.indymedia.org

Name: stallman.indymedia.org
Address: 216.231.32.98
Aliases: vermont.indymedia.org

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I was interested in this, as some INDYMEDIA sites suffer from particularly heavy censorship,
and I wondered if they where connected in any way.

WELL THEY ARE. All the sites that censor heavily are included in the following list
(but not all of them censor heavily).


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The main computer with the

Name: stallman.indymedia.org and

IP Address: 216.231.32.98 has the following aliases

(that is all the following addresses are on the same computer)

Aliases: melbourne.indymedia.org
Aliases: sydney.indymedia.org
Aliases: austria.indymedia.org
Aliases: barcelona.indymedia.org
Aliases: belgium.indymedia.org
Aliases: germany.indymedia.org
Aliases: prague.indymedia.org
Aliases: sweden.indymedia.org
Aliases: switzerland.indymedia.org
Aliases: hamilton.indymedia.org
Aliases: maritimes.indymedia.org
Aliases: montreal.indymedia.org
Aliases: ontario.indymedia.org
Aliases: windsor.indymedia.org
Aliases: bolivia.indymedia.org
Aliases: brasil.indymedia.org
Aliases: ecuador.indymedia.org
Aliases: mexico.indymedia.org
Aliases: atlanta.indymedia.org
Aliases: austin.indymedia.org
Aliases: boston.indymedia.org
Aliases: chicago.indymedia.org
Aliases: madison.indymedia.org
Aliases: maine.indymedia.org
Aliases: twincities.indymedia.org
Aliases: minneapolis.indymedia.org
Aliases: newjersey.indymedia.org
Aliases: nycap.indymedia.org
Aliases: nyc.indymedia.org
Aliases: portland.indymedia.org
Aliases: richmond.indymedia.org
Aliases: rockymountain.indymedia.org
Aliases: santacruz.indymedia.org
Aliases: vermont.indymedia.org


So most of the sites that censor heavily are physically located on one computer
in NY/Boston. And they censor heavily. This (of course) does not imply that some
of the other sites are not also censorship.

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So lets hear it for R. Stallman, the champion of "free speech".

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homepage: homepage: http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian


More Spam, Please 09.Dec.2002 17:55

Too- Much- Tripe

Do you have ANY evidence to support your claims?

You need evidence? 09.Dec.2002 21:56

Trilox

I'm the only evidence you will ever need on this subject...

Any story I post and most of my responses to other stories are deleted with laser beam precision...

Do you have to post 10.Dec.2002 12:37

troy prouty*

on every indymedia site ? Troller ?

point me to support data 10.Dec.2002 16:42

a bunch of people know this, right?

i would have appreciated some correlative information w/ regards to such claims, like maybe a good number of IMCers *testifying* with 'evidence' that they might indeed have been 'censored' (stories altered/deleted..however, not "composted").

IMO, harder evidence than a simple nameserver listing (which DNS tool was utilized anyway? make it yourself? what?). the "stallman server" argument is compelling (to me) and maybe more correlative data could be found if *feasible* (wink wink)?

hey trilox 10.Dec.2002 22:22

IMC volunteer

I have left your post up only to prove that I don't censor EVERYTHING you write. We have repeatedly explained our censorship policy, and I won't bore you further. Write things we agree with, and there will be no problem. Got it?

Chainsaw 11.Dec.2002 11:19

oakie

"IMC volunteer" probably *is* Trilox. Try not to fall for their bullshit so easily.

Censorship? 11.Dec.2002 12:38

The Redcoat

I've had run-ins with the Indymedia staff at times. I've been accused of being a "poetry troller". I've had articles composted. It is a judegement call on the part of the individual doing the editing.
I personally think the Indymedia folk do a fine job considering.

Thats what I thought... 11.Dec.2002 18:24

Trilox

"Write things we agree with, and there will be no problem. Got it?"

Yeah, I got it. The nice thing is now that the Homeland Security Agency is a reality we can track down scum like you and take you to the forced labor camps where you belong...

Tracking down 'scum' like us 11.Dec.2002 20:44

Sheepdog

Well Trilox, you just admitted that you are a
government spook. 'we will track you down'
Are ALL you Homland Security Office employees
so.... clumsy?

I'm real scared... 11.Dec.2002 21:56

Trilox

"Well Trilox, you just admitted that you are a government spook. 'we will track you down' Are ALL you Homland Security Office employees so.... clumsy?"

Well, first of all its impossible for me to be a "government spook" because I'm currently unemployed. So, when I made reference to "we" I was affiliating myself with the level headed people I helped elect who are in charge of this great country we live in.

Secondly, if you are in fact a IndyMedia commie drone and you glean my IP address from your logs and use it to somehow threaten me then you will more than likely end up in jail. On the other hand if you are just another panty-wearing granola-eating sissy liberal fudge-packer that likes to throw around idle threats well then keep up the good work there bitch boy.

In conclusion, if I was in fact a "government spook" then we wouldn't even be having this conversation because I would be out in the field doing useful stuff like watching muslim and eco-terrorist scumbags. Needless to say though, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if there wasn't some serious hardware keeping an eye on this site. I would imagine that such equipment logs each and every IP address and then correlates these to their home addresses and then inserts this information into a gigantic SQL database for further analysis. This way we... oops I mean they can then check out each and every person who logs onto this and the ELF site and then do an extensive background check...

Trilox : 11.Dec.2002 22:23

me

Unfortunately, the slippery slope you seem to so love irks me and my rabidly Libertarian ilk no end. I post frequently to this site, hoping to jolt the kids out of the Socialist stupor that they are in...having a less murky view of history then the "nascent Stalinists" here. But this U.S. Patriot Act, DARPA, et. all are an absolute abomination. What we need is aggressive racial profiling for terrorists and secure borders, like Australia and Europe are amazingly heading in the direction of, not an Orwellian, omnipresent, unaccountable version of the Stasi or KGB. This is a reality, and it should scare the living bejusus out of you, if you are at all aware of historical precedent.

And the fact that the Right-Wing Communists who run this country march to the beat of the Banking Establishment Elite's agenda of a one-world Police State, with no rights, no environmental laws, and no freedom whatsoever, every time, without fail, while giving lip service to the very freedoms that they took an oath to defend might bother you a bit, eh ? As much as the other half of the false dichotomy that is peddled to the young Marxists here, right ?

Apparently not.

Sorry about that 12.Dec.2002 11:08

Sheepdog

Dear Trilox:
Be not in fear of me tracking you down or any other time wasting
nonsense. Your only fear would be to encounter me or my family with an attitude, face to face.
To bad about being unemployed, it's a living hazard nowadays with the social supports now stripped away and companies ridding their workforce of anything but temporary disposable workers.
It's all part of the plan to create a three level society of elite, police and serf population. My mistake was to take your 'we' literally in your post.
I don't like granola. I hunt elk and love it. I also love the people ( most of them, anyway ) of this land and believe they deserve better
honesty from our employees, the government...

Sorry to burst your bubble... 12.Dec.2002 13:48

Trilox

"To bad about being unemployed, it's a living hazard nowadays with the social supports now stripped away and companies ridding their workforce of anything but temporary disposable workers."

Heh heh... sorry to burst your bubble there as you tried to somehow link my employment status to the current administration that I helped vote into power. Trouble is, I'm currently not working by choice and I can tell you that I could give a fuck whether or not there are any social services available or not because I haven't ever used it and I never will. I'd rather die first than suck food stamps and welfare off the governments tits. Thats the job that is best left to the IndyMedia staff and supporters.

Hell, thousands of illegal Mexicans are working everyday in Oregon so if they can find a job here then I shouldn't have too much trouble either. Anyways, my occupation revolves around human stupidity and from the looks of things around here there will never be a shortage of that so I'm not too worried.

"I don't like granola. I hunt elk and love it."

Thats cool, I also hunt a variety of critters as well but if I were you I wouldn't say that too loud around this site though because you are liable to get flamed by the PC socialist sociopaths that lurk here...