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Marx and False Consciousness

Given the current state of affairs and the aims of the Bush Administration, Marxs' model of the proletariet vs the bourgeoisie seems to apply. Marx maintained that it was the sole responsibility of the 'intellectual elite' to educate the masses and bring them out of their state of false consciousness into 'enlightenment.'

We all have a moral obligation as citizens (by choice or not) to spread the truth that we are fortunate enough to perceive - by whatever means available.
For more on Marx;

 http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
the goal of endeavoring such being?... 29.Nov.2002 14:24

think, don't do; do what i think, not do

and why do we have such an obligation? how can i perceive what someone else perceives? what is "truth"? (and how does acknowledgement of such a thing work?)...

EX: suppose i don't like people who appear to be darker than a Kraft paper bag; i believe they should all be dead--if i see this as 'the truth', i should be obliged ("morally" no less) to "spread" this truth [even, or especially to such individuals directly reflective of mine truth?..or do the darkies really need to know this particular truth? what if they don't want to die, would this not mean that they choose to "live a lie"?...].

{given; 'false' proves 'true'}
my truth: 'darkies need to die'
spreading the truth = 'killing everyone "darker than a Kraft paper bag"'

and to the person who didn't want to see any philosophizing on IMC, please forgive me (...XOR maybe get over yourself ;)
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Ye better act like Ye know the truth :)
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(let's suppose the term 'truth' on this page and in the related text quoting is equivalent to '(the) way', 'light', 'Life')
 http://www.surfinthespirit.com/advice/believe-bible-quotes.shtml

Exposing lies (government) 29.Nov.2002 14:52

Sean Henderson lohan1@msn.com

The model is meant to apply to a situation with the following characteristics:

1. The rich and few own the resources/government.

2. The poor and many are oppressed by the government.

3. The poor are not aware of the oppression or extent of the oppression.

4. People who are aware of the oppression educate the poor so they will rise up and bring about change.

I don't want to nit pick, if you want more info.. check out the Marx site.

also... 29.Nov.2002 14:56

Sean Henderson lohan1@msn.com

Basically, this is a thread to get people to educate others about the kind of stuff we see posted here on Indymedia - it's vital that people know what is really going on - and it will be necessary if we are to bring about change in this country.

understood 29.Nov.2002 16:44

think, don't do; do what i think, not do

i understand.

though i don't really care about "Marx's site", i do care about people.

i don't care too much about dogma or "perceived truths", i care more about coming to terms with and better understanding "Life".

i care because you do

good point 29.Nov.2002 17:28

Sean Henderson lohan1@msn.com

Yeah, who cares about Marx.

I was really inspired ... (was talking to a professor about how it seemed pointless to protest, when there is so much weight carried by the mainstream media and corrupt government, and he told me about Marx's model - how a change for the good of all could only be obtained through a rising of the masses brought on by an increase in awareness - and that if those in the know didn't help the masses to see their plight - their would be no revolution)

The ways things are now just sickens me. It has to end and we are the only ones who can help - that's what I believe. The government doesn't care, the majority of people are too lazy and ignorant to care - that leaves activists to do the job and convert more of the slaves into teachers themselves. Not to teach a certain truth - just to open the eyes of our society - to take a look at the people in third world countries that we are getting rich off of, to see the career politicians for what they are, to make things right.

marxist teachings 29.Nov.2002 17:28

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One of marx's greatest sayings was that he wouldn't want to join any group that would have him as a member.

Groucho Marx, that is...


The other Marx, carl, spent his spare time slipping his vennia sausage to his farm animals.

maybe this was the inspiration for Animal Farm. where the critters really do get screwed.

marxist teachings 29.Nov.2002 17:28

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One of marx's greatest sayings was that he wouldn't want to join any group that would have him as a member.

Groucho Marx, that is...


The other Marx, carl, spent his spare time slipping his vennia sausage to his farm animals.

maybe this was the inspiration for Animal Farm. where the critters really do get screwed.

To Mr. *think, don't do*... 30.Nov.2002 01:10

GRINGO STARS gringo_stars@attbi.com

I wonder why the commenter called "think, don't do" claims that (s)he is not interested in dogma, when the link provided in his/her post goes to a collection of Bible quotes? The Bible is VERY dogmatic. You are VERY interested in Bible quotes. Since you believe that dogma, and dogmas are mutually exclusive, I think you should have said "I already HAVE a dogma - no more dogmas for me, thanks."

After all, God will take care of you so why worry, right? Christianity is the perfect slave religion. And it suited the slave-masters purposes very well in the U.S., amongst others.

forgive him Jesus ;) 30.Nov.2002 16:13

think don't do person

i was actually going to run a "disclaimer" but then i figure, IMCers would be able to see through the post toward the truer meaning.

i was going to say that i am not a "bible thumper" nor even remotely religious (in the biblical sense).

i do like pretty and positive things and i notice that there are some really positive things writ in the bible.

brilliant 30.Nov.2002 17:36

steve

"slipping his vennia [sic] sausage to his farm animals"?

Thats great. Thanks for contributing. We all think you're very special.

Arm chair quarterbacks 01.Dec.2002 14:31

Cort Greene

Marx said nothing about the so called intellectual elite's educating the masses.Marx was for the workers overthrowing the Captialist system.

Wording 01.Dec.2002 19:08

Sean Henderson lohan1@msn.com

Same dif

When will the workers revolt? - When they see the truth about their plight and have unity. They will be unified when they can all see the truth. How will they learn about the truth? - from those who know (the so-called 'intellectual elite')