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CA shooting post: FBI attempts to discourage activism?

Sometimes subtler methods are used but this seems a classic -- using a false post
(or posting something the shooter may have said out-of-context)
Machievelli would have been a proud of many of the tactics used to discredit the anti-corporate movement and activisim - oh well we don't have the Medicis to mess with us anymore- although the Bush clan seems to have taken over (but they can't, as of yet, order summary executions and internal spies... oh sorry yes they can).

What better way to discourage mass participation then some yahoo trumpeting a police murder as a form of "protest" then attempt to find sympathetic ears at the forum run by some of corporates most enraged critics. Sort of reminds one of the goading that Patrice Lacomb got (one of the six people picked up on the alleged involvement in "terrorism" - remember we still have juries and trials at least for now) from the informant working undercover for the FBI who promised to find guns and means to fight the US troops in Afghanistan.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
IndyMedia will survive 26.Nov.2002 14:37

RS

IndyMedia will never get shutdown because of a little something known as The First Amendment, free press, and free speech. The only thing that the class-action-whores and gestapo pigs will get out of all this is one great disappointing failure and shit on their face. IndyMedia should be commended for not being a puppet of the corporate media establishment and for giving average citizens a platform to be heard. Long live IndyMedia!

Indymedia will survive if we defend it 26.Nov.2002 15:27

First Amendment is only so much paper

The government would gladly crack down on free speech, indymedia, etc, given the opportunity. Indymedia must be defended. We must not have blind faith that we will always have free speech without action to back it up.

Average Citizens? 26.Nov.2002 17:17

Really?

IndyMedia should be commended for not being a puppet of the corporate media establishment and for giving average citizens a platform to be heard." - RS

You really think this is a place for AVERAGE citizens? I beg to differ. This is a place for activist ideals and methods. Im not saying these are bad qualities, Im simply stating that your AVERAGE citizen is voting republican and going to church on Sunday. THESE are bad qualities!!

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 04:56

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 04:59

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 04:59

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 04:59

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 05:02

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 05:02

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Obvious "COINTELPRO" Operation 29.Nov.2002 05:02

otterstrom

The "ex-soldier" turned drifter -- allegedly turned confessed murderer -- roaming the country with multiple names and posting to a variety of alternative websites is a GOVERNMENT-ENGINEERED "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" PLOY.

The (plausible deniability) EX-SOLDIER(?) with multiple names (McCrae, Mickel, etc.) is a very obvious COINTELPRO-type operative. This military/fbi operation deliberately sent email messages or postings to a variety of progressive-left websites, as well as rightwing websites which question the government, as part of a typical COINTELPRO discrediting/undermining campaign. It is VERY OBVIOUS that the email messages & postings confessing to the tragic killing of a police officer by this supposed ex-soldier turned "drifter" are a PLOY to discredit both progressive-left media/organizations and also rightwing-patriot groups who criticize/protest against government policies.

This type of COINTELPRO DISINFORMATION PLOY attempts to associate government critics with violence and the advocacy of irresponsible & illegal tactics. The truth will come out about government deception and cointelpro-style, staged "agent provocateur" crimes against individual U.S. citizens and groups. Look at the reality of what occurred in the case of Judi Bari and the FBI-staged car bombing. Don't let the spooks undermine indymedia and other progressive websites (as well as any alternative media which question/criticize the government ). Be aware of rampant "agent provocateur" operations in this political climate. Don't be duped pawns of the George Bush, Sons & Cronies--Carlyle Group--Halliburton--Dyncorp--LockheedMartin--Wackenhut--ExxonMobil (Rockefeller/Standard Oil)--Citigroup--War Profiteering--Heroin/Cocaine Smuggling--Money Laundering CRIME DYNASTY.

Critical Time for Declaration on Non-Viloence 29.Nov.2002 11:00

Marc Wendt

As we look at the possibilities of this murderer being part of a cointelpro activity, or part of plot to discredit us, it becomes more and more important to look within ourselves and rededicate our commitment to non vilolent ressistance. The willingness to die before being violent or commiting acts of violence is a profound and effective tool in the cause of citizen governance and global reform movements. Each individual must examine their concience and publicaly declare their complete and utter dedication to non violence as a means of growing this global movement. In this way we protect ourselves from the kind of cointelpro tactics which may or may not be exhibited in this case. Further, this approach garners us a potential growing support from the slumbering misguided masses who have yet to awaken to the dire threats that are emerging. The value of the vast majority of non activists populations being able to come over to our resistant point of view cannot be overstated. These movements must look forward to and provide fertile soil for an open aquisition of support from a broad base of populations, an inclusive agenda that can be flexible enough to gather the neccessary critical mass to overcome these threats to sovereignty, liberty and true justice. We have reached a clear point in the eveolution of the various movements against tyranny.

I sat with my conservative family memebers this Thursday and calmly discussed points of sociopolitical interest. These are people in the military, republicans etc. Yet, with compassionate listening and then compassionate clear speech, I was able to impart to them important facts about Kissenger, 911, DARPA, and the general poor availability of critical discourse in the media. I provided them with resources for additional information that they knew nothing about, like this site, and other sources, and they responded with interest and an openess to knowledge of the shenanigans being played out that threaten their freedom as well as ours. These same consevatives and I renewed our dedication to stand against the forces of facisim and tyranny, to being a united populace, to engage in reasoned informed debate. It is of undoubtable import that we not fall into the trap of polarization or demonization. The humanity that unites us all and a common moral thread that runs through all religeous views is our strongest hope for achieving our goals. The human condition and the base needs of food shelter and love are the greatest forces that unite us and form the glue to hold us together in our stand against our foes, and to the evil which seeks to conquer us. We must not fail to stake out and hold the highest moral standards if we are to defeat the rising tide of facist power mongers which seek to enslave us. Weapons and violence are their game, if we but play in that arena we lose! Some may argue for the opposing view and there is an ongoing debate among some of the less experience younger memebers in the activist community about this issue. My statements make my position pretty clear. Please examine your own and take faith in the human potential, it will take time and complete dedication to our depest principles to succeed.