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LAGOS, Nigeria The deputy governor of a largely Islamic state in northern Nigeria has called on Muslims to kill the Nigerian woman who wrote a newspaper article about the Miss World beauty pageant that sparked deadly religious riots.

"Just like the blasphemous Indian writer Salman Rushdie, the blood of Isioma Daniel can be shed," Zamfara Deputy Governor Mahamoud Shinkafi told a gathering of Muslim groups in the state capital, Gusau, on Monday.

Rushdie, an Indian-born Briton, went into hiding after Iran's late revolutionary leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, issued a 1989 fatwa or religious edict against him for allegedly insulting Islam in his best-selling novel, The Satanic Verses. In 1998, the Iranian government declared it would not support the fatwa, but said it could not rescind the edict since, under Islamic law, that could be done only by the person who issued it. Khomeini died in 1989.

While state officials in Nigeria cannot issue fatwas, the deputy governor, "like all Muslims," considers the death sentence against Daniel as "a reality based on the teachings of the Quran," Zamfara state Information Commissioner Tukur Umar Dangaladima said Tuesday.

Islam's holy book "states that whoever accuses or insults any prophet of Allah ... should be killed," Dangaladima told The Associated Press. "If she (Daniel) is Muslim, she has no option except to die. But if she is a non-Muslim, the only way out for her is to convert to Islam."

Daniel, a Lagos-based fashion writer with ThisDay, reportedly went into hiding after being interrogated by police last week in connection with the article, which suggested Islam's founding prophet Muhammed would have approved of Miss World and might have wanted to marry one of the contestants. Her religion is unknown.

The newspaper has issued repeated apologies for the article, saying the offending portions were published by mistake after earlier being deleted by a supervising editor.

President Olusegun Obasanjo did not immediately respond to the deputy governor's call. But an Information Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Obasanjo's government would not permit any Islamic group or individual to carry out the death order.

Obasanjo's 3-year-old administration has repeatedly stated it will overrule inhumane punishments imposed by Islamic courts, such as recent death-by-stoning sentences against women convicted of having sex outside of wedlock. But the federal government has so far refused to intervene directly in the Shariah legal system, in effect in some of the country's predominantly Muslim northern states.

ThisDay officials were not immediately available for comment Tuesday. But one of the paper's columnists, Amanze Obi, suggested Daniel "may have been a victim of excitement."

"I imagine that she may have written that line without knowing it," Obi wrote in Tuesday's edition. "The line was innocuous."

Dangaladima said other ThisDay employees had been spared from the fatwa, which "applies only to the offending pen."

Zamfara was the first of 12 states to adopt Islamic law, or Shariah, after Nigerian military rule gave way to elected government in 1999. Religious clashes since then have killed thousands across the country.

The latest rioting began last Wednesday when Muslims burned down a ThisDay office in the northern city of Kaduna. More than 200 people were killed in the city and rioting also briefly spread to the capital, Abuja.

The violence caused Miss World organizers to abandon plans to hold the pageant in Nigeria and evacuate more than 80 participants to London, where the show will go ahead Dec. 7.
What is wrong with some people? 26.Nov.2002 14:22


This behavior could just as easily come from any group of religious fanatics - it's just that fundamentalist Muslims seem to be the most active now.

No religion is immune to fundamentalism. The challenge is for someone to become Islam's Martin Luther or Jan Hus and challenge Islamicism and Sharia law.

It could have...hundreds of years ago. 26.Nov.2002 14:43


Sure, this behavior could have come from any group of religious fundamentalists hundreds of years ago, but today, only Islamic "fundamentalists" exhibit it. The fact of the matter, is that no other religion, flat out preaches killing those who don't believe. Not Christianity, not Judaism, not Hinduism, etc. etc. There are in fact many fine Muslims. But Islam and it's tennents are nothing more than those of any garden variety hate group. If this death proclamation had been issued by any other group, the left would be raising hell and you know that.

try studying history 26.Nov.2002 18:31


Hundreds of years ago? I guess we're forgetting about Hitler, a perfect christian who received support from the Catholic Church.

And Christian and Hindu fundamentalists are preaching killing those who don't believe, right now, this minute, this second... It just doesn't receive the press that Muslims seem to be getting these days.

Do a search for the phrase "kill the muslims" and you will get articles from both Christians and Muslims advocating killing muslims. And let's not even mention all the white supremecist groups operating in the US and abroad who are exclusively Christian organizations calling for the deaths of any dark skinned person, hindu, muslim, jew, etc.

So, give it a rest with Islam is the evil religion of the world. All religions have their fanaticists who preach death to unbelievers. The real question is how we prevent fanaticists from doing so regardless of which religion they are owned by.

And let's not forget that the ideals of all of the world religions are based in peace, love, truth, forgiveness, honesty, charity, etc. It doesn't mean that any of them have lived up to those ideals but some individuals of each religion have.

comparative religions 101 26.Nov.2002 18:32


"Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Exodus 32:27

Christians advocate killing non-believers all the time. Or did you forget about the Phalange and the Army of God? (not to mention KKK, etc.)

If you're worried about ideologies that falsely claim to be peaceful and just, try Americanism.

Islam has a historical religious tolerance 27.Nov.2002 12:58


Perhaps because of the statement "Let there be no compulsion in religion," in Quran 2:25, Muslims have historically not attemped to force their beliefs on others, although of course, they are always welcoming others to convert to their faith. But the idea, expounded by some right-wing thinkers that they want to force Americans or others to become Muslims, seems nothing more than projection. The same kind of projection that fears an imminent attack from Iraq (as we're imminently about to attack them) or sees others frenetically trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction (from the people with a $400 billion military budget). Osama bin Laden himself seemed to initially have the goal of just getting the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia.

This is not to defend the issuing of Fatwas or other barbaric practices such as stoning women to death for adultery or terrorism itself. I personally think these are less about Islam than about traditional and proud societies feeling rage at being left out of the world that is developing AND about rage over hypocritical policies of supposedly democratic societies who support repression and dictatorships abroad. And unease with many aspects of our culture that our own conservatives have a lot of trouble with. And people on the left too - I could do with less rampant commercialism and half-naked 16 year old girls dancing on MTV, etc., myself.

But the actions of the radical Islamists are not about forcing others to become Muslims, as some of the comments above appear to suggest. Though you could make a good argument that they are about forcing others in their societies to behave like their version of Muslims.

the upper hand 27.Nov.2002 21:01


the upper hand
the upper hand

finance, you are a retard 27.Nov.2002 23:08

The USA was not around in 923 CE

Hey Finance, we know you like to blame the USA for everything in the world, but sorry, you lose, the USA was not around in 923 CE. So I guess you have to blame Dhimmitude on something else, asshole.

break their teeth please God 28.Nov.2002 03:26


"Hey Finance, we know you like to blame the USA for everything in the world, but sorry, you lose,"

Nice strawman, fuckwit...

"Those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and slay them before me"
--"Prince of Peace" the alleged Jesus,
Luke 19:27

"And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand."
-Exodus 2:11-12

And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Peter blames the Jews for killing Jesus:

Acts: 3:12-15

And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 3:13

But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.


Judges: 1:19
And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron !!



58:6--Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

58:7--Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.

missing keystrokes 28.Nov.2002 10:39


Considering the content of my post, I wonder why you call me a "Jew hater".

My non-zionist Jewish friends would be amused.

Viruses of the Mind, Richard Dawkins
(steps for recognizing infection)

4. The sufferer may find himself behaving intolerantly towards vectors of rival faiths, in extreme cases even killing them or advocating their deaths. He may be similarly violent in his disposition towards apostates (people who once held the faith but have renounced it); or towards heretics (people who espouse a different --- often, perhaps significantly, only very slightly different --- version of the faith).

He may also feel hostile towards other modes of thought that are potentially inimical to his faith, such as the method of scientific reason which may function rather like a piece of anti-viral software.