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man who claimed cop killing on indymedia website arrested
someone with this name has been posting to the IMC's claiming credit for the killing of a cop in Red Bluff, CA. It is posted in SF and DC indymedia, maybe other places too.

November 26, 2002


Calif. Cop - Slay Suspect Caught in N.H.
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 10:55 a.m. ET


CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- A man suspected of killing a police officer in California last week was arrested Tuesday morning after a standoff in a downtown hotel, police said.

An officer at the scene said Andrew McCrae, 23, suspected of fatally shooting a Red Bluff, Calif., officer a week ago, was arrested without incident at the Holiday Inn around 10 a.m.

McCrae is accused of fatally shooting Officer David Mobilio in Red Bluff, Calif., on Nov. 19 while Mobilio, 31, was putting gas in his cruiser.

Police said the suspect identified himself on a San Francisco news Web site. [SF.INDYMEDIA.ORG--poster added this]

In one of two letters posted on the site Monday by a man identifying himself as McCrae, the writer claims he shot and killed the officer to protest ``police-state tactics'' and corporate irresponsibility.

The writer claims he is immune from prosecution because he incorporated himself as a protest against corporations who ``murder thousands of people each year.'' Corporations shield people from personal liability for a corporation's debts.

Gov. Gray Davis was to attend a memorial service for Mobilio in Red Bluff Tuesday.
I agree, it was wrong.. 26.Nov.2002 10:21

surprised

I agree that the post should not have been made into a feature. Portland Indymedia has a editorial policy against supporting violent behavior or advocating "criminal activity". I would say that by making the post into a feature...Portland IMC screwed up. Here it is:

portland indymedia editorial policy

portland indymedia reserves the right to hide or edit posts that:

*advocate criminal activity indicating a specific time, place or manner
*are duplicate posts; the most recent is kept
*are obviously libelous or slanderous
*interfere with the functionality of the website

Any comments from Editorial on how this could happen?

Sounds fishy 26.Nov.2002 12:05

No-Doz Bukowski

Speaking of the efficacy of paranoia in discovering the truth: This sounds a little off, doesn't it? Does anyone know this McRae character? I know lots of radicals, but not many that would support actual murder; and even fewer who would do it.

And then, taking responsibility for the shooting, doing it on Indymedia so the site gets a lot of negative attention, relating the whole thing to the anti-corporate movement, and using a method that echoes the sniper killings in DC? One could hardly imagine a better scenario to justify cracking down on Indymedia and its affiliated organizations; nor for tying in the absurd fantasy of Al Qaeda operatives being trained in the Northwest with the sniper killings themselves; nor for tying the whole thing in with the entire anti-globalization, anti-corporate, and anti-war movements.

This political killing, with its supposed motivation to bring light to the evils of corporate control, in fact serves the interests of the establishment. Now everyone who says "Corporations are bad, and they are criminals who get away with killing people because they can't be held accountable" will sound like cop killers to the TV zombies who need to be educated.

Be suspicious of strangers who act like friends. Who is this Matt McRae? If he's a real activist, somebody out thert knows him.

5000. - N.

a real activist? 26.Nov.2002 12:42

anon??

I think that question got answered...
am i the only one out there thinking "fuck pigs"?

Be smart 26.Nov.2002 12:51

No-Doz Bukowski

Sure, sure - fuck the pigs. I'm not remotely worried about the dead cop - fuck him.

I'm worried about playing into their hands. This is how the powers that be do their business - they create a conservative Thesis, then they create a false revolutionary antithesis, and reap the benefits of the synthesis which results. We need to understand that system and avoid playing the part they have planned for us.

Shooting that cop will be remembered as the first major step in publicly criminalizing anti-corporate activism, and I want to know who's responsible.

5000. - N.

to No-Doz Bukowski 26.Nov.2002 13:11

anonymous

 http://portland.indymedia.org/search-process.php3?medium=all&keyword=bukowski

In many of your posts you raise vague warnings about counterintelligence activities as you plant the seeds of distrust through rumors of censorship, moles, etc. Now you are seeking to find out specifically who knew Andrew McCrae. Also you are seeking information about the feature selector, partly by a suggestive phrase that he had posted the original story, thus probing for a denial, etc. Meanwhile, you state disregard for the death of the cop...

I could believe that you're not, but, you sound just like an undercover investigator!!

comment from editorial volunteer 26.Nov.2002 14:04

spArk spark@tearitalldown.com

the story does not fall under the rubric of "advocating criminal activity indicating a specific time, place or manner" as it is reporting on something that already happened. this part of the editorial policy refers more to plans or threats made before the activity. as in, "let's go do this illegal thing at this time, in this place, in this way".

that being said, the former title of the feature, "CORPORATE ACTION" was inappropriate and has been edited.

Magnet for crazies 26.Nov.2002 14:15

Adult Supervisor

Don't you think all the anti-authority rhetoric on Indymedia could be a magnet for deranged losers like McCrae?

He hears the 'fuck the pigs' type stuff being posted here and feels 'drawn to his own kind.'

Seems to me that Indymedia is an incubator for just this sort of thing.

For Adult Supervisor: 26.Nov.2002 14:25

Varro

No more than the opinions of the more radical Right and libertarians on Free Republic would inspire someone like the Freemen...

Varro 26.Nov.2002 15:18

Adult Supervisor

>>>No more than the opinions of the more radical Right and libertarians on Free Republic would inspire someone like the Freemen...

That's neither here nor there Varro. I don't think we want to inspire killers here on Indymedia, nor do I think the Free Republic wants to either.

My question is whether or not the editors should knock out that kind of rhetoric when they see it being posted?

job of pdx indy 'editors' 26.Nov.2002 16:41

spArk spark@tearitalldown.com

i'm one of the folks on the editorial team, and i think that the readers/posters on the site do a great job knocking rhetoric that needs to be knocked. we saw that happen on the site today, with this post and comments elsewhere. i think indymedia is best left self-policed as much as possible. (in the case of spam by right wingers, etc., the community has seemed overall very approving of the editorial folks helping with the policing in that regard.)

features are cut and pasted from the newswire directly so that they will reflect the tone and tenor of the original poster. editorial folks keep as hands-off as possible, which assures that it is the community that is molding the content of the site, not a small group of people who can upload the features.

in the case of "CORPORATE ACTION", that title actually *did* reflect the original poster's tone and tenor, but the community pointed out that in this case it should've been different. i agree with that assessment. another volunteer changed the title in response to the community, and kudos to that person for doing so.

Excuse me? 26.Nov.2002 17:07

Jack Stone

"I know lots of radicals, but not many that would support actual murder..." No-Doz Bukowski

"Sure, sure - fuck the pigs. I'm not remotely worried about the dead cop - fuck him." No-Doz Bukowski

Which is it? Do YOU support murder?

It's not that simple 26.Nov.2002 17:38

No-Doz Bukowski

I find this particular case of murder to have been extremely ill-advised, and I believe it will have dire consequences for the movement. There are a million situations in which one person taking the life of another is justified, even desirable; but this particular case of murder will only serve to focus negative attention on the anti-war and anti-corporate movements when we need more than ever to make it clear that we're not dangerous people.

So, though it may seem inconsistent to you, it's just that my feelings on this subject are more complex than yours. I think the murder was a mistake, but I don't give a fuck about the dead cop. Simple enough for you?

All this talk on Anon's part about me being an intelligence operative is fine, fine stuff; if not terribly productive. You can't trust everything you read. I'm certainly not on the side of Bush or the CIA or the Pentagon, nor am I on the side of BinLaden and the non-existant Al Qaeda Network, nor am I really on the side of Indymedia particularly. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on, and keep bad things from happening to the people (and the movement) I care about.

5000. - N.

mind F*ing 26.Nov.2002 20:58

No-Doz Bukowski II

[you are seeking to find out specifically who knew Andrew McCrae. Also you are seeking information about the feature selector, partly by a suggestive phrase that he had posted the original story, thus probing for a denial, etc. Meanwhile, you state disregard for the death of the cop...

I could believe that you're not, but, you sound just like an undercover investigator!!]

*********
You could believe such, but then, your mind is what's causing you to believe so...

Please clarify the statements in the initial paragraph reprinted above "anonymous". (wow--how can you 'debunk' something that you don't even try to understand?)

Americans! 27.Nov.2002 22:14

mr_invisible.

Oh man. Only an american would claim there are times when killing someone is justified.

Dude. Never!

Love is the answer people. Corporate fucks kick us down with hate and guns. We get to fight back with love.

Condolonces to the family of the cop in question. Not everyone here likes cops. But I doubt anyone denies the grief and sadness this causes.

Stop being so callous guys. Sure it's bad for the movement....... BUT.... someone just got wasted. This is fucking sad.


Say it aint so sanfransisco,.