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About the events of the march....
An article shifting the paradigm of what happened in the crowd having to do with
the young man who was arested etc...
Hello, to all the peace pilgrims who were in the rivier of 5000 on Sunday. You might have seen me or may not have any idea who I am. I was the young man with the singing bowl( 1 of 2 in the crowd..me and my girlfriend.) I am writing this in response to a few of the comments that have stirred me up a bit. First off let me say that I thought that sunday was a beautiful event, and was very impressed with the number of people who attended, its good to see that peace has the voice of the majority. I also would like to state that Like everyone else who has written a report for indymedia here that I do feel that there was division among us. One of the main divisions that I witnessed first-hand was an {us vs them approach} to the law enforcement. Now saying that let me give you an example of what I am really talking about... In that protest there was a certain individual in what I like to refer to as [urban riot gear] who had a video camera in his hands. This individual decided to take it upon himself with a few others watching to film a police officer. However instead of standing a safe distance away, or even right in front of the officer in question the aforementioned "camera man" rammed his video recorder in the police mans face, Literally. Yes, sad to say that in todays P.C. world this could be considered assault, however instead of arresting him the cop simply pushed him away from his body and told him to cut it out, (here is where you can use your imagination with effect to the policemans body language.) Than of course in typical where theres smoke theres a fire fashion this gentleman started raving about brutality to the crowd. This is when I glided over with my bowl of which I had picked out a nice even calm tone and proceeded to stand in between the camera man and the officer. The young guy backed off as he was yelling at me "do that to him not me kid." It seems that he was just looking to start trouble and sensationalize something that he had started in the first place. Chaos. So after that event and a few thank yous from the passerbyers who saw the event( I was just happy to help keep peace) the crowd arrived at the waterfront/world trade center. Once near the area several of us noticed that there were people leaving front ave and veering off to the right. Naturally we were curious as to what was going on. On the one hand was a guy screaming at us to follow him down the route with absolutely no explanation as to what was going on. on the other hand were people telling all of us not to listen to him at all and saying things like they just want another WTO...etc. Here is what I was told and why I was a part of what the other people all called the "cowardly liberal mainstream." By the way I heard at least 20 other people being told the same information. As I was walking further into the "sickly consumer pacifist weakling herd." " This is the assigned route that we have protection to march on, those other people have taken it upon themselves to start trouble and go a diferent way. The reason is just to go against the grain and nothing else" Of course I am paraphrazing but that was essentially the spirit of the message. NO: there is a kid being arested and beaten. No: there is a taking of our civil rights and a need for all of us to stand by an individual. No: protestors unite against the violence that is in your midst and under your very noses. Get my point? Had I known and I also can say that had the people I was walking with known what was really going on we would have gone to proclaim solidarity with everyone else. But I want to say something else, that protest was meant to be about peace, Not violence, not anarchy, not anger, and not seperatism. NOT CHAOS. the dictionary defines peace as: The absence of war or other hostilities. An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities. Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations: roommates living in peace with each other. Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind. Idioms: at peace In a state of tranquillity; serene: She is at peace with herself and her friends. Free from strife: Everyone wants to live in a world at peace. keep/hold (one's) peace To be silent. keep the peace To maintain or observe order. Peace see also calm, see also tranquil, see also clear... When you break apart the whole you end up with only seperation in your hands. Karak

peacebowl 21.Nov.2002 12:53

kutkabang

i was in the crowd of observers with the guy with the videotape. actually, i wasn't an observer, i went it to add pressure to the police because they were threatening to arrest another young man (not the one with the camera) for the horrible act of wedging a small cardboard sign between the wall and the light at nike town.

immediately prior to your approach with the bowl, several of us told the man with the camera to back off because it wasn't helping matters any. it was simply escalating the officer. the man with the camera was very defensive and telling us to "fight the police, not me!"

by approaching with your singing bowl you startled everyone, the man with the camera, the police. you could feel a sort of deep breath-hold-breath out "what the hell is going on and what's going to happen?" feel. it was fantastic. the man with the camera was confused but still responded to you "do that to them, not me!" the police said, "ok, you can go" and let everyone disperse. it was great!

peacebowl 21.Nov.2002 12:53

kutkabang

i was in the crowd of observers with the guy with the videotape. actually, i wasn't an observer, i went it to add pressure to the police because they were threatening to arrest another young man (not the one with the camera) for the horrible act of wedging a small cardboard sign between the wall and the light at nike town.

immediately prior to your approach with the bowl, several of us told the man with the camera to back off because it wasn't helping matters any. it was simply escalating the officer. the man with the camera was very defensive and telling us to "fight the police, not me!"

by approaching with your singing bowl you startled everyone, the man with the camera, the police. you could feel a sort of deep breath-hold-breath out "what the hell is going on and what's going to happen?" feel. it was fantastic. the man with the camera was confused but still responded to you "do that to them, not me!" the police said, "ok, you can go" and let everyone disperse. it was great!

I was there and reposted this 21.Nov.2002 13:24

thurmanfamily

I was there a mother with my 2 children I reposted this because I and my two kids were very efected by what you did.
Thank you for keeping the peace literally. If anyone would like to see the original article it is under "tales from the singing bowl." I changed the name so more people would check this article out sorry If I have offended anyone involved by doing so.

Thank you again you are truly an inspiration.

Patty

just take the damn picture 21.Nov.2002 14:03

underground windstorm

if that was an imc camera operator they would have been jacked up *before* even having the chance to do anything so offensive. only an idiot--IMO--would "attack" a police officer; i've jawed with officers but i never stepped toward them--i stand straight up and down when addressing them. i myself have noticed that officers will be the ones to step to you (cuz they *have* to assert their authority--my 'authority' is a moral one and needs not even me to support it); i've had a smaller cop (about my mother's size) bump me (a 6+ footer) in my chest and i still continued to stand there because i am fully aware of what comes next with someone who carries a chip on their shoulder and weapons on their hips.

if i were to confront such a cameraman, i would just ask him outright "aren't you here to take pictures?" he could/should have just played his part and just taken the damn pictures, if that's what he was in fact there to do.

why would anyone feel the need to "instigate" the actions of members in a group?...

it always helps to use thinking to diffuse such crowd-relevant situations. "talking" to people is the best way for many obvious reasons ;)

did anyone have contact with this cameraman afterwords? (is that cameraman reading this?)

Karak 21.Nov.2002 15:55

lemon

Thanks, Karak, for your intervention. Peace keepers such as yourself are valued on both sides of the fence.

another thing 21.Nov.2002 16:55

dj tubesteak

I was about the second person to approach these officers as they were addressing the guy with the sign. The camera operator showed up about a minute later.

While the officer's actions in pushing away the cameraman were certainly not 'brutal,' I saw an officer very clearly itching to pick a fight and trying to provoke an incident. (It sounds like there were several incidents of attempted provocation by police at several points during the march/es)
He did not simply tell the camera operator to "cut it out;" he gave him an aggressive shove and stepped forward as if preparing to attack him. I don't know if mr. karak's intention was to paint this incident as a one-sided provocation of police by demonstrators, but in either case, this officer was engaging in his own share of aggressive behavior.

Sticking a camera in someone's face, especially someone that heavily armed, is not generally a good idea, I agree, but anyone paying attention during sunday's events would have noticed that the police clearly showed up itching for a fight. The idea that radicals were simply trying to incite violence is inaccurate.

By the way, I did the peace bowl was a good idea. It did help defuse the situation, as did the cop who intervened to restrain his colleague when he saw that a cowd of observers was beginning to form (no thanks to the many who preferred to just ignore this incident and blissfully continue marching.)

crazed camra man replies... 22.Nov.2002 13:18

Camera mafia

Ok, Lets get a few things outta the way right up front: I am not there to watch the pigs beat or arrest people. I am not there to cower before the state and their agents. I Am not there to ask or beg for permission to chalenge the capitalist empire. I'm shure we've all seen the show cops. The camera is very much shoved in poor and defenceless people's faces'; seen all the big brother cameras wathing YOU at every corner lately? All I'm doing is turing the tables on 'em, and tuff shit if they don't like it. Filming someone up close is NOT assalt, shoving and pushing is however, But I have no ilussions: this ain't my laws or my law enforcers. I use my camera as a wepon, as a tool to incite and inflame revolution. Unlike the boot lickers and uncle toms who pander to the state for permission to disagree with it, I see the simple facts as this: Power will back away from NOTHING without a fight. Without struggle, without battle we gain nothing. their were 10,000 heads out in the street. If we had rallied our inner warrior sprit we could have back every pig out their that day into a corner. Put 'em to their heels and sent 'em running. Why can we talk of revolution in in global south, but it's an unmentionable in our own streets. If you really want to stop U.$. imperialism and fasicm that starts in your own streets, in your own home bio-region. Sorry kids peace bowls are NOT going to stop the pigs. Peace Bowls are not going to stop war. Peace bowls are not going to do any thing but show off your new agey relgious dogmas. Hugs and kisses are rad and nessecary, but so is fighting back nazie oppression. OOOOOOOMMMMMMM...

-No Justice!!! No Peace!!!