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COMBINED SEWAGE OVERFLOW

The EPA just released a study that basically states that by the time Portland's combined sewage overflow project is finished in 2011 it will already be obsolete.
Its seems kind of strange to me that a "BILLION" gallons of raw untreated sewage is dumped into the Willamette every year, yet our supposedly "green" city leaders keep issuing permits so that thousands of new homes can be built and added to the sewer system.

It would appear as though they are so addicted to the tax revenue that they will do anything to keep the money flowing in and the turds flowing outward into the river. I sure didn't vote for any of these clowns and when I called into KBOO a couple of months ago when all the canidates for city council were on they just glossed over my question regarding this issue and changed the subject.
aqua biology 16.Oct.2002 14:20

Peek-n-Seek

O.K., now that you know what's being dumped into the river, who is looking to see what's emerging from the river to make adults and their children sick? It's probably somebody's job, why not start networking with them? Or if you are really committed, just go get your blood, urine, and stool tested, then go swimming after a sewage spill, then go back and get tested after you get sick and then sue....

Haven't you heard? 16.Oct.2002 14:27

required

Come on, haven't you heard? Outta sight, outta mind. Flush and never worry about it again.

solution 16.Oct.2002 15:16

dookie eater

Could PDXers keep reconsuming their own bodily waste in order to keep the river clean? I'd eat my stuff just to help out, it can't be any different than eating food from McDonald's family restaurants (i guess).

What a Load of Crap! 16.Oct.2002 15:30

Roto-Rooter

That river is full of shit!

Food for thought 16.Oct.2002 15:36

Raven

Here is the guy who is called a spammer, writing a decent article, and getting some useless responses back that are basically just spam.

Food for thought.

since when did our city leaders become green? 16.Oct.2002 16:30

kurtkabang

our city leaders are more concerned about attracting frito-lay than building a green city.

thanks for the article, i'm glad you've decided to join us, trilox.

I wouldn't go that far... 16.Oct.2002 17:18

Trilox

"thanks for the article, i'm glad you've decided to join us, trilox."

I didn't join you. I'm just expressing my point of view regarding the hypocrisy of the current city administration. As I said before, I'm what you would call a conservative conservationist and hunter & fisherman. I just don't believe that the so called "green" Democrats ever did much good for the environment. What they did do always had an ulterior motive.

To tell you the truth I would cast my votes for GREEN PARTY canidates if it wasn't for the fact that the party supports the Fetus Tissue Farms which deprive unborn Americans of their pursuit of Life Liberty and Happiness. In addition, the GREEN PARTY doesn't have a position of the 2nd Amendment.

2nd amendment 16.Oct.2002 18:33

pdx indy contributor

I support the 2nd amendment

do you have more info about the EPA report? 16.Oct.2002 19:11

regular indy contributor

hey trilox -- where did you hear about this EPA report? i went to their website but couldn't find anything. i'd like to know more about it.

and just for the record, i support the 2nd amendment, think abortion is murder, and believe in god. lots of people read this site and it's hard to generalize about them. it's certainly not a bunch of "liberals" or democrats like some people (bush admirer) seem to think. i'm not a fan of liberals myself. they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. i believe in direct action.

anyway -- if you have more about this story to post, please do so.

I know... 16.Oct.2002 19:43

Trilox

"hey trilox -- where did you hear about this EPA report? i went to their website but couldn't find anything. i'd like to know more about it."

I did the same as you and couln't find it so I could leave a link to the story. Anyway, they talked about for a little while this morning on KPTV news and then I heard it a little later on AM radio and I think I caught the tail end of it on one of the public FM stations. Can't be too sure about that last one though.

Needless to say, I'd like to learn more too. I searched everywhere for more information but couldn't find it. I shouldn't have posted it if I couldn't back it up but I heard it from two sources so there you go, must be true right? heh heh

To Raven 17.Oct.2002 10:25

waitress

"the guy who is called a spammer" would probably still be spamming if left to his 'druthers. That he posted something substantive makes this a big day. Looks like the compost bin is working in its aim to attract more thought-provoking posts to the newswire. And, wow, Trilox's post is still here, huh? not composted. Fancy how that works.

Food for thought.

Tissue Farm? 17.Oct.2002 13:09

Roundup

"To tell you the truth I would cast my votes for GREEN PARTY canidates if it wasn't for the fact that the party supports the Fetus Tissue Farms which deprive unborn Americans of their pursuit of Life Liberty and Happiness. In addition, the GREEN PARTY doesn't have a position of the 2nd Amendment."

I have never heard of Green Party support for tissue farms (or was that a mataphore for a womb?). What is your source on this?

On the second amendment, it reads with some ambigiuty, but the best explanation of it that I have heard, is that it was designed to prevent the government from becoming so powerfull, that it could stifle the will of the people. I haven't fired a gun since my Army days, but I don't really care much if others do, as long as they do so responsibly. But with the kinds of weapons in the U.S. government's ersenal at present, I don't really see how a pea shooter would protect against government oppression.

To regain the balance, access to the full spectrum of weapons would have to be allowed, including nuclear, biological, and chemical. I think this type of access would present some pretty obvious problems. Therefore, the only practical way, that I can think of, to honor the second amendment, would be to limit the types of weapons that anyone could have.

Do pro-gun folks really believe that the guns that their buddies and themselves posess could stop the war machine, or do they just like them because they are fun?

I thought this was a nice contribution though, Trilox, even though I couldn't resist making the Roto-Rooter comment. Was that you on BOO this morning?

Info... 17.Oct.2002 14:13

Trilox

"I have never heard of Green Party support for tissue farms (or was that a mataphore for a womb?). What is your source on this?"

Its right from the Green Party Platform on their website:

"17. We believe the right of a woman to control her own body is inalienable. It is essential that the option of a safe, legal abortion remains available."

What if its a woman inside of woman? Doesn't that woman have the right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness? There are plenty of premature babies that were brought into this world at 23 weeks and survived to live out their lives. In addition, you might be amazed where all these aborted little bodies go.

Their little parts are sold on the open market like pieces of meat in the supermarket. In fact, this one gland in their little head contains more Human Growth Hormone than you could imagine. This is then extracted, refined and sold to rich old people who ingest it to stay young.

Then there is the issue of the human cloning experiments that utilize the massive amounts of dead baby bits. All in all its a pretty sick business that is driven by greed. I don't have a problem with a woman getting an abortion for medical reasons but when its for birth control then its murder.

greens and guns 17.Oct.2002 20:40

sacred chao

My experience with Greens and the 2nd Amendment is that they resemble American society as a whole. Those from urban areas tend to be big supporters of gun control. Those from rural areas tend to have a deep commitment to the right to keep and bear arms.

I've sat and listened to some groups of Greens rail against gun ownership. I've been invited on hunting trips with others.

I suspect they don't have a position on it because they don't want to create a divisive issue within the party.

Incidentally, if I remember right, the figure on sewage in the river is more like three billion gallons a year. But that is down from something like six billion, just a few years ago. That's off the top of my head, though. I could be wrong.

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