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DISINFORMATION - here, courtesy of Mike Sweeney's web site that frankly, we can't hype enough: www.proparanoid.com a site we consider THE final word in resources for detecting disinformation artists and also for countersurveillance information and his great newsletter, are the Eight Traits of a Disinformationalist.

If you are a regular reader of some boards and groups you will no doubt, upon studying this, be able to start seeing when and where disinfo artists crop up. You'll also note a lot of boards/groups fill up with old news, rehashed news, CNN reruns, the kind of crap that basically pushes good stuff to the bottom of the board, or obliterates it entirely. That is their whole M.O., by the way, to get the good stuff out of sight. It works, too. Most people buy it lock, stock and barrel. We won't name names (for a change!) here but on some of the better well known boards, you can pretty much figure out who is there to just dump junk up on the board: blah blah kind of stuff they cop off of Fox News that frankly, you or I could get from Fox News, thank you, without them regurgitating it up on the chat group or message board. You know what and who we are referring to, most likely. The spy and counterspy site www.chymerick.com/orgs/spyvsspy/ also contains excellent material on detecting a mole or disinformation agent who has been put on a board or a discussion group in order to raise hell with it, scare off truth seekers and legitimate investigators, and discredit sincere Patriots and 'do gooders'. There's more of this going out there right now than you can shake a nightstick at. There's slew of people out there who want to distract you from what is really going on 'neath your nose.

We raise regularly eybrows for our shrugging off Enron as a 'dog and pony show' and giving similar scant attention to the Wag the Dog made for TV Afghanistan movie, but in our humble opinion, that's all it really is. The war's been pre-fab manufactured in order to effect the agenda they want to take place here at home. Tack on the Super Bowl, and you've got a captive audience placated and distracted so you can carry on about the business of turning our country into a police state, a 24/7 surveillance state, and rape what's left of our Constitution.

You wonder why we keep cramming tradecraft down your throat about how to detect if you are being watched, followed, monitored or under orchestrated surveillance? It's because we are trying to throw you a life preserver, stupid; the tools to use to save yourself. Time will tell how many people wise up to it. Big Brother and his NWO toadies count on you staying dumb. We think you can do better. Don't fail us....

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

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October 4, 2002Portland, OR FBI FIELD NOTES 12.Oct.2002 13:22

citizen7 atomic

Field News Press Release
For Immediate Release
October 4, 2002Portland, OR
(503) 552-5238

FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force Arrests Four on Terrorism Charges
Two Others Who Were Indicted Are Now Fugitives
United States Attorney General John Ashcroft announced today that Federal
Bureau of Investigation agents and members of Joint Terrorism Task Forces
have arrested four people on charges of aiding and, in some cases, trying
to join Al-Qaida fighters. Joining Mr. Ashcroft were FBI Director Robert
S. Mueller and United States Attorney for the District of Oregon Michael
Mosman. FBI Special Agent in Charge Charles Mathews III, joined by members
of the JTTF, made the announcement in Portland, Oregon.
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, a federal grand jury in Portland, Oregon,
indicted JEFFREY LEON BATTLE aka Ahmad Ali and Abu Isa, PATRICE LUMUMBA
An indictment is a formal method of bringing charges, and all defendants
are presumed innocent until proven guilty. All six people face the
following charges:
Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States
Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida
Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban
BATTLE, FORD, AL SAOUB and A. BILAL each face a fourth charge:
Possessing Firearms in Furtherance of Crimes of Violence
FBI agents and the Portland Joint Terrorism Task Force took BATTLE, age
32; FORD, age 31; and LEWIS, age 25, into custody at approximately 6:00
a.m. today. BATTLE and LEWIS were arrested at their home located at 9871
SW 35th, #32, Portland. FORD was arrested at his home located at 3132 SW
Marigold, #15, Portland.
Simultaneously, the Detroit FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested
MUHAMMAD BILAL, age 22, in Dearborn, Michigan. All arrests were without
incident. AHMED BILAL, age 24, and AL SAOUB, age 36, are fugitives, and
efforts are underway to locate them.


The indictment alleges that all six members of this group conspired with
each other to levy war against the U.S. It was part of the conspiracy that
members would travel to Afghanistan to join Al-Qaida and Taliban forces in
the jihad and to take up arms against U.S. and allied military forces.
The indictment alleges that in or about the summer of 2001, FORD, M.
BILAL, and A. BILAL engaged in physical training to prepare to fight a
jihad. It says that in late September 2001, BATTLE, FORD, A. BILAL, M.
BILAL, and AL SAOUB along with unindicted co-conspirator KHALED ALI
STEITIYE and others, conducted firearms training at a location in
Washougal, Washington. The weapons used included a 12 gauge Remington
shotgun, a Chinese SKS assault rifle, and semiautomatic pistols. The
indictment also alleges that BATTLE enlisted in the United States Army
Reserve to receive training in U.S. military tactics and weapons. He was
administratively discharged from the military in January 2002.
The indictment goes on to allege that on October 17, 2001, BATTLE and AL
SAOUB departed the Portland International Airport enroute to Afghanistan.
It says that on October 20, 2001, FORD, M. BILAL and A. BILAL departed the
Portland International Airport enroute to Afghanistan.
The indictment alleges that between October 2001 and January 2002, LEWIS
wired a series of money orders to BATTLE in China and Bangladesh, knowing
that the money was going to be used to support BATTLE'S attempt to enter
Afghanistan to fight for Al-Qaida. In November 2001 and January 2002, FORD
wired money to Al SAOUB in China.

Three of the five men who left the country have returned. FORD returned to
the U.S. on or about November 19, 2001. M. BILAL returned to the U.S. on
or about December 24, 2001. BATTLE returned to the U.S. on or about
February 5, 2002.
With the exception of AL SAOUB, all those indicted are American citizens
born in the United States. AL SAOUB is a lawful permanent resident in the
U.S. who was born in Jordan.
If convicted, the defendants could face the following sentences:
Conspiracy to Levy War: 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine
Conspiracy to Provide Material Support to Foreign Terrorist
Organizations: 15 years in prison and a $250,000 fine
Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and Taliban: 10 years in
prison and a $250,000 fine
Possessing Firearms in Furtherance of Crimes of Violence: 5 years to
life in prison and a $250,000 fine
BATTLE, FORD, and LEWIS will make their initial appearance before United
States Magistrate Janice Stewart in U.S. District Court in Portland at
3:00 p.m. today. M. BILAL will make his initial appearance in U.S.
District Court in Detroit at 10 a.m. (Pacific) today.
Assistant United States Attorneys Charles F. Gorder, Jr., Pam Holsinger,
and David Atkinson are prosecuting this case.
The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force includes members from: Portland
Police Bureau; Beaverton Police Department; Oregon State Police; the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; the Drug Enforcement
Administration; the Immigration and Naturalization Service; the Internal
Revenue Service; the U.S. Postal Service; the U.S. Secret Service; the
U.S. Marshals Service; the U.S. Department of Agriculture; and the U.S.
Customs Service.
Field News | FBI Home Page

to *citizen7 atomic* 12.Oct.2002 13:48

RE: *FBI field notes* Robert Swan Mueller III afewitemsfromthememoryhole.com

by Sherman H. Skolnick 07/08/01

A unit of America's secret political police has a new Chief Terrorist. Robert Swan Mueller 3rd is the perfect choice to head the Federal Bureau of Investigation. When you realize what THEY and HE have been into, calling him the new head of a sinister entity will be an acceptable description.

A few items from the memory hole:

[1] In the late 1920s and 30s, the FBI was in the forefront of subverting Freedom of the Press when it came to the new medium RADIO. The Bureau, under dictator J. Edgar Hoover, saw to it that no one critical of the government or harboring dissident views ever was allowed to have a broadcast license. [This fact somehow does not find its way into books and articles critical of FBI yet is known as an established fact by old-timers in the broadcast field. Chicago's WCFL, call letters for Chicago Federation of Labor, always was a joke. It was never allowed to be pro-labor or to speak out forcefully in favor of unions and the working person.]

[2] To attempt to beat down the formation of labor unions as an opposition to corporate greed, the FBI used provocateurs to bomb certain offices and warehouses and such, using the monopoly press to falsely blame it on labor violence and union organizers. The FBI had as their adjunct the "Red Squads", falsely labeling all dissidents as "Reds". [See, for example, "Protectors of Privilege Red Squads and Police Repression in America", by Frank Donner, University of California Press, 1990.]

[3] Through movie-making fakers, the FBI was given the false image of grabbing bank robbers. Such as in the 1930s. Years later, a retired key agent of the Bureau, with nineteen years of direct experience and knowledge, dared relate to me the Bureau's sordid past. That FBI boss Hoover, in important instances, took bribes from certain bank robbers given a pass. The FBI Chief connived with big-time criminals who owned race tracks and were whiskey manufacturers. To feed his ego, they allowed him to corruptly win at horse racing, his favorite pastime. One booze baron, Rosenstiel, actually set up a crooked foundation named for J. Edgar Hoover. The FBI denied there was a mafia in America. Simple reason the criminal cartel used blackmail against Hoover; they had undercover pictures of Hoover's homosexual activities. [Plenty of details in "Official and Confidential The Secret Life of J.Edgar Hoover" by Anthony Summers, Putnam, N.Y., 1993.]

[4] The offices of the Bureau in the southern states were well aware of the Ku Klux Klan and lynchings of blacks, and bombings of Jewish businesses, and outrages against some Catholics. An FBI undercover operative, Gary Rowe, was given immunity and not punished for murdering a civil rights activist, Viola Liuzzo, in the turmoil in Alabama. The FBI, in fact, gave Rowe a reward. [See, for example, "J.Edgar Hoover The Man and The Secrets", Curt Gentry, W.W. Norton, 1991.]

The Bureau, through their COINTEL Program sought to snuff out the Anti-Viet Nam War Movement of the 1960s and early 1970s. The FBI played a key role in "Operation Garden Plot", that is, to put peaceniks in the cemetery, by various bloody dirty tricks; plainly, murder. ["The 1960s and COINTELPRO In Defense of Paranoia", NameBase Newsline, No. 10, July-September, 1995.]

[5] The Bureau played a key role in covering up airplane sabotage. Such as in the Watergate Plane crash in Chicago, one month after Nixon was re-elected President, in 1972. Twelve Watergate figures died in the crash, such as Dorothy Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar, E. Howard Hunt. Together they had blackmailed two million dollars out of the Nixon White House. They had documents of Nixon's role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The details of the aircrash, supported by 1300 pages suppressed government documents, were in a book written by me and stopped in the press cycle by the Rockefellers, major owners at the time of United Air Lines. [Alas! there are no copies of my book from 1973 available, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage". I hope to update it someday and post it, at least in part, on my website.]

[6] Books by assassination researchers document the dirty, bloody role of the FBI in covering up the high-level plot to assassinate President Kennedy. [See, for example, a huge heavily-documented book, "Act of Treason", by Mark North, Carroll & Graf, N.Y., 1991. detailing the role of J. Edgar Hoover.] A former FBI official, later Mayor of Memphis, Tennessee, covered up the role of the FBI in the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. [See, "Orders to Kill", by William F. Pepper, Carroll & Graf, N.Y., 1995.]

As part of this pattern of cover-up and bloodshed, is Robert Swan Mueller 3rd.

===Mueller was a key official in the Criminal Division of the Justice Department during the administration of George Herbert Walker Bush. Mueller supervised the supposed investigation of the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, which crashed over Lockerbie, Scotland, December, 1988, about six weeks after the Elder Bush was elected President.

A group of eight or as many as fifty CIA covert operatives were onboard Flight 103. Disgruntled, they were returning from a failed mission to attempt to rescue some American hostages in the Middle East. They blamed the failure on the treasonous acts of the Elder Bush as Vice President. As we showed in exclusive stories, in the 1980s, Bush was the secret PRIVATE business partner of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein. Together, they like mafioso, shook down for billions of dollars of "protection" money, the weak, oil-soaked sheikdoms of the Persian Gulf. The secret partnership details were part of the bank records sought to be suppressed by way of an unpublicized federal court suit in Chicago. I was the only reporter attending the hearing. Only one sizeable publication in America dared run my exclusive details, based on interviewing the court participants in the back of the courtroom. A populist newspaper, Spotlight, ran the detailed story on August 19, 1991.

Contrary to CIA regulations, forbidding their people to fly as a group on one airplane, this group of covert units stayed together for what they thought would be their mutual security. At least eight of them were scheduled to finger the Elder Bush for treason in the hostage rescue intentional screw-ups, at secretly arranged hearings set before Congress for early in 1989. Such as, the Elder Bush was a sizeable owner of American LaFarge, the U.S. unit of a French firm, reportedly supplying the ingredients to Saddam Hussein for the making of poison gas to be used against the Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War, 1980 to 1988, and also against Iraq's own Kurdish dissidents. A director of the firm was a little-known Little Rock attorney, Hillary Rodham Clinton. She and her husband, William Rockefeller Clinton, were already part of a scheme to be played out in 1992, to install Clinton as President while shadow-boxing against his CIA mentor, the Elder Bush.

Only one newspaper in North America ran a series after the crash, outlining some of the secret arrangements of the units of the American CIA that were snuffed out by the crash. That was in Canada, the Toronto Star. Prior thereto, by phone hook-up, I did radio shows in Toronto with a relative of the publisher who went on the air under a pen-name.

Some were puzzled how FBI agents showed up at the Lockerbie, Scotland crash site in some instances quicker than local authorities.

As stated in an award-winning film documentary about Pan Am flight 103 "Very strange people were at work very early on. Within a matter of three hours there were American accents heard in the town.Over that night there were large numbers, by which I mean 20, 25, 30 people arrived." As reported by British journalist David Ben-Aryeah, in the documentary by producer Allan Francovitch, "The Maltese Double Cross". Francovitch was later murdered as he was working on related documentaries.

As a member of a local rescue team recalled, "We arrived within two hours [of the crash]. We found Americans already there." As an author of a book pointed out "....as odd as the fact that Lockerbie is over 350 miles from London, which is the nearest point an American FBI agent might be. To reach Lockerbie that night from London, even if traveling by air, would have taken far more than one hour considering the sequence of events that would have had to occur. Assuming timely notification, an American agent in London would have had to have been tracked down considering the late hour, notified to pack up for an investigation, rush to Heathrow, board a waiting airplane, fly immediately to the nearest airport that could land a jet transport, obtain ground transportation from there to Lockerbie, then locate the command center. An effort that would require four to six hours at the minimum." "The Medusa File" by Craig Roberts, an investigator and former law-enforcement official.

>From the details, there evidently was PRIOR KNOWLEDGE by the American FBI and the Justice Department. And who was in charge of all this? Reportedly Justice Department, Criminal Division, honco, Robert S. Mueller 3rd. Mueller is quoted as saying in a public statement, "We have no evidence to implicate another country (other than Libya) in this disaster." [From "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror", by David [M.] Hoffman, Feral House, Venice, California, original edition 1998, page 326 footnote.

By his doings reportedly in the U.S. and Scotland, Mueller falsely shifted the whole blame to Libya and a stop-over in Malta by some Libyans. [Hence the title of the late Francovitch's film documentary, "The Maltese Double Cross".] By so doing, Mueller shifted the focus away from the prior treasonous activities in the Middle-East of the Elder Bush, with the assistance of his sons, Jeb and George W.

The Elder Bush, as President, rewarded Mueller for his treachery on behalf of the Bush Family. Mueller "was named to head the criminal division in 1990, under President George Bush. Dick Thornburgh, then attorney general, says he relied on Mr. Mueller for some of the department's most DELICATE TASKS. Before the invasion of Panama in 1989, for instance, Mr. Bush called Thornburgh in and asked if the drug trafficking case against the Panamanian ruler, Gen. Manuel Antonio Noriega, was solid. Mr. thornburgh says he relied on Mr. Mueller's assurances that the case would stand up; it did. Among the other investigations that Mr. Mueller supervised at the criminal division was the bombing of Pan Am 103, which had crashed over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988." New York Times, July 6, 2001 in a story about Mueller by Neil A. Lewis.(Emphasis added.)

===Shortly after being inaugurated as President, the Elder Bush launched the invasion of Panama in 1989, to kidnap Panama strongman Noriega to shut him up about being lured into private dope trafficking deals with the Elder Bush and sons Jeb, George W., and Neil. Playing a key role in silencing Noriega was Justice Department Criminal Division honcho Robert S. Mueller 3rd. Mueller reportedly arranged to terrorize Florida Federal Judges to lay the groundwork for them absolutely following orders to censor any mention of the Bush Family being implicated in the dope trafficking into which Noriega says he was either inveigled or was entirely innocent of, with Noriega as an Elder Bush arranged CIA operative. Bush had helped Noriega's rise to power by Bush arranging to murder Noriega's predecessor. [The Elder Bush paved the way for Saddam Hussein to the top in Iraq in similar fashion, by arranging to assassinate Saddam's predecessor.]

One of the most outspoken critics of the Justice Department and the FBI on the Federal bench in America was Florida U.S. District Judge Alcee L. Hastings, one of only a very few black federal judges in the South. The FBI, as a reprisal, framed up Judge Hastings on bogus bribery charges. To scare other Florida federal judges that they have to march to the orders of the Bush Family, the Hastings matter was quickly referred to the House Judiciary Committee which voted articles of impeachment. In the impeachment trial in the Senate, contrary to the rules, only a handful of Senators attended or were interested in any way in Judge Hastings plea that he is innocent and was framed by the FBI. The monopoly press, to show him in a bad light, played up a picture of him bending down to get past a barricade blocking the entrance to the Senate as he was on the way to the Senate trial. [Hey, I thought the whole U.S. Senate, not just a couple of them, have to sit as judges in an impeachment trial.] Leave it up to the pressfakers to get a picture of someone they want to demonize, such as prominently showing a pimple on his face. On the other hand, the Rockefellers are always shown smiling and in a good image.

The voters of Florida, however, did not buy the FBI frame up done with the apparent connivance of Criminal Division honcho Mueller. Thereafter, defrocked Judge Hastings was elected and numerous times re-elected as a Democrat Congressman from Florida's 23rd Congressional District. [Another one of the few black federal judges in the South, one from New Orleans, was likewise pickled by the FBI and removed from the bench. An hispanic federal judge in California, after hearing evidence in his court of the treachery of the FBI, pronounced them as the American Gestapo. Within a few months thereafter, as a reprisal, they attempted to send him to jail on bogus federal criminal charges. In that instance, the Judge beat back the FBI/Justice Department frame-up orchestrated by Criminal Division honcho Robert S. Mueller 3rd.

BUT, evidently the federal judge hearing the criminal charges against kidnapped General Noriega got the message. The Judge blatantly and arbitarily ruled that no mention in the court will be allowed of how the Elder Bush and his sons inveigled Noriega, as a CIA operative, into business with them, through the infamous spy-money laundry, Bank of Credit and Commerce International, BCCI. Noriega's lawyers were forbidden to defend him with his role with the Elder Bush and Bush sons, details tending to show Noriega was innocent of the criminal charges. Few in the monopoly press mentioned a fact pertinent to people of the Third World. Noriega as the head of Panama was the ONLY person of color to head up a country in the Western Hemisphere.

===Mueller, as a top honcho of the Criminal Division, was instrumental in suppressing and/or destroying evidence and scaring off and covering up about witnesses to protect the Bush Family from being exposed in their treasonous role laundering assassination funds and funds of sworn enemies of the U.S., through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. U.S. Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.) headed a subcommittee investigating dope and weapons smuggling and terrorist activities. In a heavily censored and watered down version of the facts, even the big-time newsfaker, the New York Times, in a story referring to Kerry and Robert S. Mueller 3rd, said "...John Kerry, who was already in his second term as a senator from Massachusetts when the two clashed in 1991 over whether the criminal division, which Mr. Mueller then led, had been aggressive enough in investigating the BANK OF CREDIT AND COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL, a rogue operation that had ties to drug gangs and gunrunning." New York Times, July 6, 2001, in a story by Neil A. Lewis. (Emphasis added.)

Please note. Senator Kerry is no sweet angel. He is an expert reputed blackmailer and cover up artist. He is married to the widow of the late U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania, John Heinz, heir to the ketchup and canned beans fortune. Heinz died in a sabotaged plane crash in 1991, just as he was planning to expose U.S. government complicity in several domestic and foreign political assassinations.

As to the infamous BCCI, Sen Kerry himself had a conflict of interest in that he headed a group of U.S. Senators who accepted campaign funds from the worldwide spy-money laundry-murder machine BCCI. Kerry's subcommittee refused to delve into the highly pertinent Chicago branch office of BCCI and their Chicago twin, a branch of Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican, Banca Nazionale Del Lavoro, BNL. [Suppressed BNL records as to the secret private partnership of the Elder Bush and Saddam Hussein were the subject of my exclusive story, in Spotlight, August 19, 1991, referred to earlier.]

George W. Bush the tainted OCCUPANT and RESIDENT of the White House, chose Mueller to head the FBI. Mueller has repeatedly demonstrated to the satisfaction of the criminally inclined, treasonous Bush Family, that Mueller obediently follows Bush Family orders to whitewash their criminality and treason. The established FBI pattern of covering up political assassinations, falsely blaming bombings onto domestic dissidents, and such, will no doubt continue with America's new GESTAPO CHIEF, Robert Swan Mueller 3rd.

Stay tuned.

Since 1958, Mr.Skolnick has been a court reformer. Since 1963, founder/chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, disclosing certain instances of judicial and other bribery and political murders. Since 1991 a regular panelist, and since 1995, moderator/producer, of one-hour,weekly public access Cable TV Show, "Broadsides", Cablecast on Channel 21, 9 p.m. each Monday in Chicago. For a heavy packet of printed stories, send $5.00 [U.S. funds] and a stamped, self-addressed business sized envelope [4-1/4 x 9-1/2 #10 size] WITH THREE STAMPS ON IT, to Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick, Chairman, 9800 South Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office, 7 days, 8 a.m. to midnight, (773) 375-5741 [PLEASE, no "just routine calls]. Before sending FAX, call.


i am Trilox Lamet Vali!! :) 12.Oct.2002 16:20

(really i'm dizazt0r::blank1t/0ne_man_0pera) pointoinfinity@yahoo.com

it is pretty hard to "debate" an issue, whether it be about the "rights" of pedophiles (pedophiliacs) or even whether or not the respondant just simply 'cares' about people, given that sometimes the other person isn't even acknowledging all points that relate to an issue. it should be rather obvious that in order to become a more powerful and dynamic debater, one might want to develop the ability and take the opportunity to see relevant issues from all sides of the coin, not just from their side if indeed they are resolved to a definite position of opinion.

as far as arguing goes, i'll say again that when the "good IMCers" are bent on only trying to be on the 'right side' of an argument as they try to "win" it, everybody loses because the thing that is most important--the argument and it's vital points--gets to be obscured. it is very possible that, as opposed to winning an argument based on the issue of "what's killing all the fish in the klamath river" some would rather just see the who issue, discussion and all, disappear into a thin blue haze (i'm sure farmers who were willing to suck down the water level of the river and the government blood suckers who allowed for this to occur would like to see the issue swept under the rug. i wonder how the salmon fishing industry would feel?..or would certain entities who might try to cash in on farm-raised salmon care at all?). blah blah.

as for "negative commenting" affecting the 'mood' of those who contribute to the newsandviewire all i can say is that maybe people could not let things bother them so much. i got some good laughs at the expense of my nemesis :) "Lamet Vali", though "Trilox" doesn't amuse me as much. grains of salt might need to be taken when combing the wire.

as well, sometimes there are (presumably) "creative" postings which might be interpreted as '(news)wire noise'--i feel it's how you read such postings sometimes that can make the difference.

overall, it might help to just not take things so seriously. paranoia, anger, frustration will come about when 'normal human beings' interact, maybe we can just respect it if indeed it is to be expected. it's important to me to ask myself over and over again why i'm here. to be a positive force? to offer aid to the people? i know i don't have to hang around indy so i ask myself why am i here and are my contributions constructive or helpful or are they harmful, if so how so?...i also gain personal peace at certain moments when i realize that, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, shit just changes--the newsgroup spooks and Psy0ps who seem to hate life and the human expression of 'freedom' (and love and respect) will turn to piles of dust just like me. at some point in the 'future', our human affairs will not necessarily matter and the wicked will get their punishment (not being allowed to do 'wicked' things anymore) and the 'good' and 'innocent' beings that inhabit the omniverse will get their just rewards--a nice little rest from the tyranny of evil men :)

"i rope-a-dope the evil with righteous bobbin' and weavin'/and let the good get even" (Chuck D/PUblic Enemy, lyrics "Welcome to the Terrordome")
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No need to get carried away 12.Oct.2002 16:22

conspiricy shy

This is a very interesting article. It's true that we never know who we're talking to on the internet. The first seven traits seem especially pertinent. I'm convinced that many people on the internet invent characters for themselves to play. I also agree that there may very well be a nefarious political agenda associated with the spamming of indymedia.

However, I don't see why we have to immediatly assume its the government. It seems to me that there are members of the Portland community who aren't on the government payroll who might have an interest in disrupting this site.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you." On the other hand, the childish behavior that I see is relatively ineffective. If it's the work of the CIA, I'm pissed. I expect my taxes to pay for GOOD disinfo artists.... But all joking aside. I would assume that this is the work of something like the Portland Republican Party or some pro-war group. I would think the FBI or CIA would completely flood the site instead of placing an abusive post every four or five legit posts.

I'm flattered... 12.Oct.2002 17:37

Trilox (the real one)

Now I'm a CIA "spook"? WOW! I wish someone would have told me first! I'm sure you are now patting yourself on the back for such a good piece of detective work but to tell you the truth I could care less about the CIA other than they have kind of a cool feature on their website called the "World Factbook".

However, if I was back in government work I'd much rather be part of some black ops team that goes around dosing liberals with LSD/DSMO and then beaming crazy messages into their heads with pulse microwave sonic projectors. Plus there are a bunch of active dykes and fudge packers in the CIA which makes me even less interested in working for them.

fuck you, *Trilox* 12.Oct.2002 18:10


"I grew up on a hippie commune."

what a fucking goddamn tankerload of horsehockey.

this one's old as the epaulets on King Tut's underwear.

how many trollspooks have used this tactic, spamming their "identity" to emotionally appeal in some microscopic fashion to the people they harass?

"Plus there are a bunch of active dykes and fudge packers in the CIA which makes me even less interested in working for them."

so just HOW do *you* know so much about CIA employees, 'Trilox'? and *what the fuck* do you mean by "even less interested" in working for them?? as though under different circumstances, YOU WOULD be interested?

these kind of statements fit Traits 5, 6, 7 of the Know Thy Spook posting above:

Dearest Repost (you dork!). 12.Oct.2002 18:33


You seem to be enamored of the word "troll"

You keep labelling me as a 'Troll' and I'm not clear on your meaning.

I keep labelling you as a 'Loser' which has much clearer meaning.

Love & Kisses,

Bush Admirer

Dearest Repost:

Please give us your definition.

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troll1 Pronunciation Key (trl)
v. trolled, troll·ing, trolls
v. tr.

1. To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.
2. To fish in by trailing a baited line: troll the lake for bass.
3. To trail (a baited line) in fishing.
2. Slang. To patrol (an area) in search for someone or something: " [Criminals] troll bus stations for young runaways" (Pete Axthelm).
3. Music.
1. To sing in succession the parts of (a round, for example).
2. To sing heartily: troll a carol.
4. To roll or revolve.

v. intr.

1. To fish by trailing a line, as from a moving boat.
1. To wander about; ramble.
2. Slang. To patrol an area in search for someone or something.
3. Music. To sing heartily or gaily.
4. To roll or spin around.


1. The act of trolling for fish.
2. A lure, such as a spoon or spinner, that is used for trolling.
2. Music. A vocal composition in successive parts; a round.

[Middle English trollen, to wander about, from Old French troller, of Germanic origin.]troller n.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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troll2 Pronunciation Key (trl)

A supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore, variously portrayed as a friendly or mischievous dwarf or as a giant, that lives in caves, in the hills, or under bridges.

[Old Norse.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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\Troll\, n. [Icel. troll. Cf. Droll, Trull.] (Scand. Myth.) A supernatural being, often represented as of diminutive size, but sometimes as a giant, and fabled to inhabit caves, hills, and like places; a witch.

Troll flower. (Bot.) Same as Globeflower (a) .
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


\Troll\, v. i. 1. To roll; to run about; to move around; as, to troll in a coach and six.

2. To move rapidly; to wag. --F. Beaumont.

3. To take part in trolling a song.

4. To fish with a rod whose line runs on a reel; also, to fish by drawing the hook through the water.

Their young men . . . trolled along the brooks that abounded in fish. --Bancroft.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


\Troll\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Trolled; p. pr. & vb. n. Trolling.] [OE. trollen to roll, F. tr[^o]ler, Of. troller to drag about, to ramble; probably of Teutonic origin; cf. G. trollen to roll, ramble, sich trollen to be gone; or perhaps for trotler, fr. F. trotter to trot (cf. Trot.). Cf. Trawl.] 1. To move circularly or volubly; to roll; to turn.

To dress and troll the tongue, and roll the eye. --Milton.

2. To send about; to circulate, as a vessel in drinking.

Then doth she troll to the bowl. --Gammer Gurton's Needle.

Troll the brown bowl. --Sir W. Scott.

3. To sing the parts of in succession, as of a round, a catch, and the like; also, to sing loudly or freely.

Will you troll the catch ? --Shak.

His sonnets charmed the attentive crowd, By wide-mouthed mortaltrolled aloud. --Hudibras.

4. To angle for with a trolling line, or with a book drawn along the surface of the water; hence, to allure.

5. To fish in; to seek to catch fish from.

With patient angle trolls the finny deep. --Goldsmith.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


\Troll\, n. 1. The act of moving round; routine; repetition. --Burke.

2. A song the parts of which are sung in succession; a catch; a round.

Thence the catch and troll, while ``Laughter, holding both his sides,'' sheds tears to song and ballad pathetic on the woes of married life. --Prof. Wilson.

3. A trolley.

Troll plate (Mach.), a rotative disk with spiral ribs or grooves, by which several pieces, as the jaws of a chuck, can be brought together or spread radially.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


n : (Scandinavian folklore) a supernatural creature (either a dwarf or a giant) that is supposed to live in caves or in the mountains v 1: circulate, move around 2: cause to move round and round; "The child trolled her hoop" 3: sing the parts of (a round) in succession 4: angle with a hook and line drawn through the water 5: sing loudly and without inhibition 6: praise or celebrate in song; "All tongues shall troll you" 7: speak or recite rapidly or in a rolling voice
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University


An array language for continuous simulation, econometric modelling or statistical analysis.

["TROLL Reference Manual", D0062, Info Proc Services, MIT (1973-76)].
Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2001 Denis Howe


An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2001 Denis Howe


v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
Source: Jargon File 4.2.0


troll: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary

Source: On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB

fuck you, *BA* (and *Trilox*, etc.) 12.Oct.2002 18:48


obviously, you didn't READ the original post.
Please refer to the eight Traits of a Disinformationalist, above:

1) Avoidance.
"Please give us your definition. You keep labelling me as a 'Troll' and I'm not clear on your meaning."

2) Selectivity.
"However, if I was back in government work I'd much rather be part of some black ops team that goes around dosing liberals with LSD/DSMO and then beaming crazy messages into their heads with pulse microwave sonic projectors."

3) Coincidental.
"To wander about; ramble"
citizen7 atomic October 4, 2002Portland, OR FBI FIELD NOTES

4) Teamwork.
citizen7 atomic
Trilox (the real one)

5) Anti-conspiratorial.
"Now I'm a CIA "spook"? WOW! I wish someone would have told me first!"

6) Artificial Emotions.
"Love & Kisses,
Bush Admirer"

7) Inconsistent.
"I keep labelling you as a 'Loser' which has much clearer meaning."

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant.
"citizen7 atomic 1:22pm Sat Oct 12 '02"
"Trilox (the real one) 5:37pm Sat Oct 12 '02"
"BA 6:33pm Sat Oct 12 '02"

You are wrong... 12.Oct.2002 18:52


""I grew up on a hippie commune." --'Trilox' what a fucking goddamn tankerload of horsehockey. this one's old as the epaulets on King Tut's underwear."

Needless to say, you are wrong. I'm speaking the truth...

Objectivity 12.Oct.2002 20:38


Trilox seems to me a rational and reasonable person. He/She obviously had a difficult childhood (being raised by hippies) but managed to rise above. That's admirable.

Why object to the postings of an admirable and rational person like Trilox?

iky-iky-iky-iky BKANG! zoop BOING rrrraggharr 13.Oct.2002 02:47

clamydia clamydia@mail.com

We are now no longer the knights who say "Nee!"

GREAT! 13.Oct.2002 02:50

clamydia clamydia@mail.com

BTW, BA, great TEAMWORK on that last post. Way to support your fellow racist homophobe.

hey 13.Oct.2002 07:09


hey guys, did I ever tell you about that time i grew up on a hippy commune? i did! One time I grew up on a hippy commune and they were all fakes therefore YOU are all fakes. So just in case anyone asks... I GREW UP ON A HIPPY COMMUNE!

I am still mad about it so I like to come here and take my anger out on what I see as idealists who share similar beliefs as my parents. and if you share similar beliefs then you are obviously just as flakey and hypocritical as my parents. God I hate that.

I just can't seem to let it go! On one hand I hate all of you leftist morons and I REALLY dont see them doing much of ANYTHING but on the OTHER HAND I just can't seem to avoid the site! I find myself continually drawn toawrds it like moth to flame (ha! get it?).

I wish I could shake indymedia but i am just to addicted to trying to stop all of you from what you are trying to do!

...not that you will EVER do it.

...Im serious you guys better stop!

Proparanoid link no longer correct - hijacked by government spooks? 15.Jun.2005 09:05

H. Michael Sweeney

Thank you for the kind promotion of my work. However I issue an urgent WARNING! The proparanoid.com Web site was apparantly hijacked by government operative to take me 'off the air', ransoming it for $157,800 to let me have it back! DO NOT VISIT PROPARANOID.COM IF YOU WOULD NOT APPROVE OF INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TRACKING OF YOUR VISIT! My new Web site is proparanoid.net, where you can learn more about the hijacking and find the original content.

H. Michael Sweeney, author
The Professional Paranoid: How to Fight Back When Stalked, Targeted, or Harassed by Any Person, Group, or Individual;
MC Realities;
In Mindless Times;
Fatal Rebirth

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