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Protesting in Eugene - 'If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention!'

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Protesting in Eugene - 'If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention!'
Protesting in Eugene - 'If You're Not Outraged, You're Not Paying Attention!'
A few dozen of us protested at the Federal Building in Eugene this afternoon in the warm October sun. The Women in Black stood silently while some of the rest of us chatted amongst ourselves. I mostly spoke with David who has been at the Federal Building protesting the pending War on Iraq for the last three afternoons.

David said that his new name for the U.S. government is the "Political Mafia", with Cheney telling us: It's business. I told him that my son was not going to be a part of their business, that if the draft is reinstated like Bush wants it to be, I'll be throwing myself over my son's body. He is NOT going to fight in their War!

David said that he has two young sons, one ripe for the draft at 21 and the other 14. He said they he and his family have been contemplating where to go if the need arises, the government is not getting his sons either. We both agreed that it is wise to have passports in order. And then a comrade came to where we stood talking and said that she is thinking of renouncing her U.S. citizenship and wondering where to go.

Today a friend shared a correspondence that she received from someone currently living abroad:

"It's amazing travelling around the world so much... I really get to see just how much negativity people of all countries seem to have toward the USA. There is this impression in their minds that the American Govt (which unfortunately ends up meaning the Whole Country in their mind) is like a demanding, bickering little child, taking all it can get, controlling all it can, and screwing whoever it likes for whatever reasons it wants."

Sounds about right.

One of the protestors, an elderly gentleman, held a sign that read: "Honk For Peace". And were people honking! If the horns are any indication of how many people are against attacking Iraq, it'd be hands down, or rather, hands off. There were only a few spoil sports who told us to "get a life". Yawn...

Things are quickly coming to a head. With Congress backing Bush, I fear the worst. I feel strongly that we must unify and take swift and serious action. I still advocate taking the streets! Those who feel strongly about this issue of War against Iraq will either applaud us or join us. If folks get "pissed off" about it then they're obviously not paying attention. Because as Native American activist and poet John Trudell reminds us: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention".

The Protest continues at the Federal Building tomorrow at noon. At 7 pm there will be a march from the EMU Amphitheatre (UofO) to the Federal Building.
Okay, so...... 12.Oct.2002 01:45

mudpuppy

Where are you gonna go? Why not move to Iraq and take up their flag! Maybe you could move to a communist country! The fact of the matter is that the only reason you are able to complain about America is because you live in America. You would not get far in a country that wouldn't let you speak out! It always comes down to this...Love it or leave it! I'm sure your son would appreciate growing up in a country like Iraq. Just make sure he has his gas mask in his backpack when he leaves for school...Old Saddam might get the itch to test out some of his chemical weapons on his own people again!

resigned not outraged or not paying attention 12.Oct.2002 07:39

old man

I don't think its a matter of not paying attention its just a matter of acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of american people are represented by the love it or leave it moron responding to the article. the american government and its various wings (business-press-think tanks) are evil. its population are ignorant (also violent racist thugs). the representatives of american democracy just voted 3 to 1 for a completely unjustified acgtion which will not only perpetuate but accelerate worldwide terrorism and destruction. the objections to this come from a tiny (emphasize tiny) handful for protestors such as yourselves who gather in the tens or at best the thousands as opposed to the tens of thousands and millions around the world. you are correct that u.s. is (quite righly) universally hated and (quite rightly) the american people as well because they (that is us) can not escaspe responsibility for the actions of our government, as was established previously after world war two in reference to the responsiblity of the good germans of the 30's.the americans today are just the germans of the thirties. israel is our only ally and palestine is the model for the new world order. i share your concern for not geting our children involved in fighting these perpetual imperial wars but in the shorterm i think there are greater worries for safety as the powers that be don't want a return to a draft because they don't need soldiers only armaments. they prefer to bomb and hire. that is massive unseen untouchable aerial destruction and then local thugs bought off to mop up. at most a few crack assasins and bodyguards are necessary to protect the installed compliant local leaders (see afghanistan). the lesson of vietnam was that the american people won't stand for a lot of american deaths over a long time. the fantasy (the "liberal" fantasy) is that the peace movement stopped the war. the reality is that america had already achieved its objectives long ago and stopped fighting when the individuals called upon to fight refused to fight anymore in what was obvious to everone as a waste of time. by the end of the war most draftees were being deferred and most active soldiers were either awol or receiving dishonorable discharges. there's no need for the empire risk that happening again; its enuf to keep the sheeple in a constant state of agitation about "terrorists", and imaginary dangers such as saddam hussein who is no danger to anyone except his own people. that is clear to anyone not willfully blind; anyone that is except americans (and israelis of course who look forward with enthusiasm to the opportunity to accelerate their ethnic cleansing of palestine and get on with the creation of the greater israel expanded security state). sure there are individual jews in america and israel and elsewhere who don't support this agenda; but they are irrelevant because "the jews" do support and promote it. just like there are americans who oppose the bushcabals perpetual war on the world; but "the americans" do support it. for any "protest" movement in america to become effective it would have to have some sort of national umbrella group or groups to unite the various sectarian political oppostions with the more general sanity based opposition that might exist in a larger population segment. to the extent that the vietnam era protests did play a role in stopping the war it was because of this. there are those who argue that this moment is just like the early moments of that movement; but i suggest a more realistic comparision is to the first iraq war where the maximum amount of protest came prior to active engagement. once u.s. troops were in harms wary all opposition melted behind a patriotic fervor of "support for our troops".
the elites have an agenda. (its being spelled out quite clearly in a variety of documents currently circulating dating back many years). 911 gave them the opportunity to accelerate that agenda. within the u.s. there is not, has not been and (in my opinion) will not be any possibility of effective resistance until its too late. If the judeamerican juggernaut is to be stopped it will have to be by the rest of the world. The sides in this battle are clear: the u.s. and israel against the rest of the world. though the weapons are on "our" side; the numbers clearly are not. I beleive eventually the u.s. will be stopped, but perhaps only at the cost of general global nuclear annihilation. In the face of such a reality; how does one respond? To make a "moral statement" by presenting some individual objection; or to try to remain calm and protect your family as long as possible by not making them a potential future target (remember anyone not "with us" is "with the terrorists"). If the government attempts to take my child for its wars I will do what i can to keep him out of harms way (tho i'm not sure what realistic options there are other than jail or the life of a fugitive). both the original poster and the "love it or leave it" loon are naive in their assumption that its somehow easy to live in another country than the one of current citizenship. all borders are clamped down and no nation accepts foreigners. and specifically, no one wants americans--the canadians for example, who welcomed anti-vietnam era resisters hate us particularly for (in their eyes) making canada a province of america and don't want us. they want to know why we let our country become what it is. in summary, if i were a lone individual i might find some moral compensation in solitary protest; because i have others i care about to think about i just resign myself to the inevitable criminal stupidity of the american people and its government and try to keep them out of their way as long as i can; knowing that that ain't gonna be long. perhaps the rest of the world can come together in some way to deter the u.s. from its current path of permanent seamless global fascism without producing a general nuclear annihilation in the process. but it will have to be the world that the stops the u.s. because outside of some isolated corners of the larger ghetto that is the internet, and a few outposts of resistance such as portland, seattle, berkeley (essesntially the "left coast") there is none.

if you read more closely... 12.Oct.2002 08:46

peace rebel girl

I did not say that I am going anywhere...

Speaking out is certainly not a privledge reserved for america. Protests happen all over the world, with turnouts in the hundreds of thousands.

Berlin 12.Oct.2002 09:05

peace rebel girl

Berlin
Berlin

Tokyo 12.Oct.2002 09:06

peace rebel girl

Tokyo
Tokyo

Calcutta 12.Oct.2002 10:30

peace rebel girl

Calcutta
Calcutta

Pakistan 12.Oct.2002 10:40

peace rebel girl

Pakistan
Pakistan

Stockholm 12.Oct.2002 10:49

peace rebel girl

Stockholm
Stockholm

Dear mudpuppy 12.Oct.2002 10:54

seeing clearly

Dear Mudpuppy and ilk:
FYI -- when Saddam Hussein unleashed chemical weapons "against his own people," he was getting support from the U.S. government to the tune of $500 million in subsidies. The following year, after the genocide was complete, Bush senior doubled the amount to $1 billion along with germ seed for anthraw, helicopters and "dual-use" material that could be used for chemical and biological weapons. Your tax dollars at work. (Robert Fisk, The Independent, Oct 9, 2002). Proud?

December 1983, Reagan sent special envoy Donald Rumsfeld to meet with Hussein while Hussein was gassing Iranians. Not to chide Hussein for his actions, but to see that the US embassy was re-opened. Your government doing its usual dirty work. Proud?( http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=340836)

Bush's own intelligence agency -- the CIA disagrees with him that Iraq has the nuclear or biological weaponry that Bush insists is a threat to the US. "There is also profound scepticism among US intelligence experts about the
president's claim that "Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases". Your pResident at his lying best. ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,807194,00.html) Proud?

I'm glad you're so proud to "be an American." An American who sits back while your government supports dictators, spends our tax dollars on violence to keep big oil business cats happy, and in general wreaks havoc throughout the world with its bullying swagger. How nice to live under the dominion of a tyrant! Especially nice right now before our economy truly jets to hell. Put another log on the fire, and take a snooze. We'll wake you before Bush hurls us into Armageddon (maybe).

I, for one, am ashamed of the country that issued me a passport, and I would love to get out of here. But I've decided that I deserve to be here as a thorn in the side of those who are destroying the planet. No other country deserves to have Americans inflicted upon them to buy their wares at cheap prices because of our inflated wealth. No other country deserves to have our gas-guzzling, consumer lifestyle inflicted on them any more than it already is. To stay here and try to move this nation towards democracy is the duty of every enlightened citizen.

Your duty, mudpuppy, is to write thoughtless comments right off the top of your head and try to derail those who are working hard to number the days of our national unelected tyrant. You're doing a great job. I won't bore you further with actual facts. Keep on spouting that old refrain, "Love it or leave it." It sounds so intelligent -- unfortunately, it's not.

Oh, one other thing. In Italy 1.5 million marched against US war on Iraq.
Dear mudpuppy
Dear mudpuppy

peace rebel girl rocks 12.Oct.2002 14:24

yeah

you rock .

Well then 13.Oct.2002 01:35

mudpuppy

Who do you think should be running the show?

another thought from outside of the Bush... 13.Oct.2002 02:45

the People

The People of the World will be running the show.The Show will be called "New World Order Smackdown".
Act One : wake up.
Act Two : get free.

Bollocks 14.Oct.2002 06:31

chris

"dangers such as saddam hussein who is no danger to anyone except his own people."

Um, I think that the Iranians killed in the war with Iraq would beg to differ.

chris