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The War on Iraq: While It Will Happen and What We Can Do

The War on Iraq.
The War On Iraq: What It's About and What We Can Do
by Umar ben-Ivan 2:55pm Tue Aug 27 '02 article#3297
 instruggle@hotmail.com

What activists can do, and what they will do.
As the Bush administartion continues to beat the drums of war and Vice Preseident Cheney yetserday told the veterans of foerign wars that " the US cannot afford to ignore Iraq". We must now realize that the US is going to go it alone, without the support of the UK, EU, Arab world, China, Japan, India, Pakistan ( or any Muslim nation).

The only head of state to endorse this war has been Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. This is not suprising since the neo-conservative element of the Republican party is now at such a prominent level within the party; Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, etc. . The neo-conservative movment, with The Weekly Standard of Willam Krystol as it's most important publication, has routinely in recent months published pieces that are racist against Arabs and Muslims, making indictments over entire peoples and cultures( I encourage all to check the archives).

Furthermore, there is a growing popularity amongst the right to embrace a new outright American impeariailsm in the Muslim world.A recent lecture at the Pentagon encouraged the US to attack Saudi Arabia after being finished with Iraq, by seizing the oil fields in the eastern province, and if necassary "teaching the Saudis a lesson by occupying the holy sites" in Mecca and Medinah.This trend can also be seen in how the Bush administartion have encouraged Pakistani President Musharraf to cancel elections and to consolidate power( and for that matter in the encouragement of the Venezualan military in their coup efforts against President Hugo Chavez).

If there is going to be an alternative to unfettered capitalism, to the politics and culture of greed, and the decadent culture this has created ( amongst the left and right, maybe more so in the left), it should now be clear that it will come from the Muslim world. No, this sould not be misinterpreted as saying that what the Muslim world has today is what the world needs, the Muslim world today is a basket case full of corruption at every level, but in the Muslim world you see the last bastion of masses who are not brainwashed and therefore have the potential to create a better order, and this scares the global order, in particular it scares America.

The war on Iraq is being set-up as the first battle in the American war to culturally, economically and politcally occupy the Muslim world. In Iraq , in the words of Indiana Senator Richard Lugar " America will run the oil business, run it well, and make a lot of money", and the US will seek to set a societal structure that they will seek to export to the rest of the Muslim world, and along with it spread death and destruction.

It is incumbent on us today, as activists as people who are concerned with peace and justice, to do all that is in our power to stop this war from ever happening, and that if the war does occur, that we do all that we can to help the people who will be suffereing.

Activists are often too busy with marches and protesters and forget that there are real things that we can be doing in our everyday lives that will help real people. It may not be hip, may not be cool, may not get us on the news, but if we want to help people and not just talk about how they got it bad, then we need to do these things. These things are; helping refugees in our areas, sending money to humanitarian organizations, volunteering for overseas health organizations, writing your represenatives, writing the media, talking to people who support the war and giving them a rational counter-argument.

The US has not been attacked by Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with any attacks against America, nothing has been even suggested to indicate that. This is so-called " pre-emptive security". The argument is that Iraq has weapons of mass-destruction, is Iraq alone in that? Even if Iraq has one or two, does that threaten Americas existence? The answers are clear.

American officials speak about the human rights record of Saddam Hussein, while supporting regimes ( such as Turkey) who have equal, if not worse human rights records.

This is not about human rights, and it is not entirely about oil, which the left wrongly claims, it is about wiping out any resistance to the established world order.Unfortunatley, this war will not be fought by neo-conservatives, or the wealthy elite, or even their children, it will be fought by the poor, the workers, blacks, Latinos and those who do not have a piece of the American pie. add your own comments
AUGUST 28TH ACTION 27.Aug.2002 14:37

electricboomerang

please remember August 28th is the date for meeting with your local politicians regarding U.S. involvement in Irag
for more information .. go to moveon.org

BLAH....BLAH....BLAH.... 27.Aug.2002 17:43

madrepublican madrepublican@hotmail.com

Too much Talk......just take over the oil-fields, and if they wanna come out and play...wellllll

What has to happen to you Liberals.....A million dead Jews from a NUKE/Bio attack?

We know Saddamn has to go...it's been long...long overdue!

Go get em Dubba!

email me at  madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at  http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

Love to hear from you....PEACE BRO'!

BLAH....BLAH....BLAH....
BLAH....BLAH....BLAH....

BLAH...BLAH...BLAH...! 27.Aug.2002 17:50

madrepublican madrepublican@hotmail.com

Too much Liberal Psycho-babble!

We know what we have to do:
Take over the oilfields, and if Saddamn wants to come out and play.....well....

email me at  madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at  http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

love to hear from ya...
Now here is one republican that does not hide from the Liberals...I bring the fight to you!

Peace Bro'

AND, I don't mind poking a little fun at ol' Dubba-doo-too

BLAH...BLAH...BLAH...!
BLAH...BLAH...BLAH...!

Barely worth a response. 27.Aug.2002 20:53

Bro

Dear Madman,

What is the point of poking fun at a living joke? Also, what is a Liberal?

Tight-Assed Liberals! 28.Aug.2002 08:52

Mad Republican madrepublican@hotmail.com

Barely worth commenting on...? Typical, Typical, Typical,...Liberal Response.

What is a Liberal? I could go on for hours about what you is, and ain't! But I think Jane Fonda, and her kind of ilk pictures perfectily what a "Typical" Liberal is:

Protesting during the 60's for the vast inequities of the USA, and profiting from those inequities during the 70's-80's-90's..etc...

This bitch, and her Liberal Husbands have made Billions during the past upteen years...but, do they give back, or help the needy...? Oh sure they may have given some "token" amounts...for tax purposes and to ease the guilt....but, where is the spread the karma feeling that they would have died for during the 60's/70's?

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/rant/fondahappy.jpg



This is the Typical liberal....preach on how the world should live....but to actually do it yourself...PUHLEEZE!

All of you so-called intellectuals, who are just spouting off rhetoric, that you got from your ubber-liberal professors, are just a bunch of Lemmings!

Get a clue, this is the real world...and the USA ain't the only "bad-boy" on the block!

There are some out there, with the horror that they do, that make us look like little kids!

email me at madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at
http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

This is one Republican that is bringing the fight to the Liberals...I ain't running away!

Peace bro'

It's just good old talk...nothing to get mad about!


Tight-Assed Liberals!
Tight-Assed Liberals!

Republikan Terrorist comes to Indymedia 28.Aug.2002 11:51

Smack Down

This Republican Troll wants to 'bring the fight to the liberals.' That's funny.

First of all you fascist fuck, most people here ain't liberals. IF they were, they wouldn't be out on the streets taking the fight to your beloved American Fuhrer when he showed his ugly ass in Portland on 8/22.

As for your comments about Iraq. You want a fight, you Right Wing chickenhawk? Sign up for the US military and demand to be first sent to the frontlines when the Evil Empire invades and tries to subjugate Iraq--just so pampered American scum like you can drive around in your SUV and suck on cheap oil that is not yours. I want to see the look on your family's face when you come home in a bodybag like that American CIA goon, Johnny Mike Spann. Even better if you don't come home at all.

Better yet, next time there is a protest, drag your fat Right Wing ass into the streets and see if you can throw down with the Black Bloc as you are sucking tear gas and pepper spray down your throat.

FAT ASS????? 28.Aug.2002 13:51

Mad Republican madrepublican@hotmail.com

MY MY...such words for the "understanding" left.....

This is exactly why you knuckleheads do not get any respect from MAIN-STREAM America.....and, you know you may not think a whole lot of America, and it's "ordinary" peoples...but if you want change...youse is gonna have to have their blessings.....

As far as me being a SUV-loving, Free(?) Oil-sucking right-wing Facist....welllllll....you don't know me mumbo, I don't even own a car, and in that area...I am most likely more "Green" then you will ever be!

I believe in the total stoppage of cutting down the forests, for at least 10 years...can you say the same?

I believe that we should stop completely the fishing of the Columbia, commerical, and sport...for at least 10 years....can you say the same?

I believe we should stop using so much of the Mid-East oil, and we should phase them out within 10 years...can you say the same?

Death Penality...sure, and the Oregon City Murders, of prove that it is needed!

Support of Israel? You betcha, even tho they are using us like a second-hand fiddle....at least they ain't killing us!

I am most-likely more "liberal" in a lot of my views then you are. But, I just don't like the "Right-wing are a bunch of Nazi Stormtroopers, hell-bent on distroying the world" Bull-shit, that the left spouts!

We are all Americans...even you knuckleheaed Anarchists, so we should all try to get along....PERIOD!

I mean, we ain't got no where else to go!

email me at  madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at  http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

Peace Bro', and don't get all upset...it's just words...like the kind you spout off to the people who tried to see the Prez on A22.

But, I ain't yelling obsenities, and spitting in your knuckle-headed face...maybe I should, go figure!

Bringing the war to the Liberals! I ain't running Punk-Bitch!


Piss one for me. 28.Aug.2002 15:23

George Gipp

Does anyone know where exactly Johnny Spann is buried? Its about time we turn his grave into one giant urinal. Its too bad his war criminal bosses, probably won't suffer the same fate.

Hey "Mad Republican" do you actually believe we think Jane Fonda is some sort of cultural icon? Boy, are you ignorant. They really messed with your head, dummy!

BEEP----BEEP! Look Out For The Liberals! 28.Aug.2002 19:20

Mad Republican madrepublican@hotmail.com

Oh Me, Oh My....with all this cheap oil that we are stealing from the poor---poor arabs,.....I guess I have to run over a couple of Liberals......if only I could find some Anarchists! Yiiippppeeeeee!!!!

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/rant/carcgreen.jpg



Boy you guys really have it in for Jonny Spann...true Americans till the end, huh?

You know maybe I ain't up to your current "psycho" "left-wing", "socialist", "commie", "anarchist", "fucked-in-the-brain" icons...but, I was just saying that Jane Fonda was a perfect example of a Liberal...and, I don't care what era she was from, she is still a bitch! And as for Knuckle-head "George Gipp", You are the fucker who is the ignorant one...at least I come to this Anarchist site, and fight for what I believe in...over, and over! What do you do? Just sit back and call names, and think to yourself..."Well, I am the enlighted one" Well, just keep believing that way fuck-for-brains!

You guys are really showing your true colors...you, know "Smack down" for one, I would not go downtown to protest the crap you do, and even if I did....I wouldn't be dancing in the street in some sort of "Orgasmic" rebellion trance!

Get a clue, and get a life!

email me at madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

Run you Punk-Bitch Anarchists....Run! And, go hide behide your lil' black masks!

Peace Bro'!



ONE MORE TIME TO RUN OVER THE COMMIES! 28.Aug.2002 19:53

Mad Republican madrepublican@hotmail.com

Oh Me, Oh My....with all this cheap oil that we are stealing from the poor---poor arabs,.....I guess I have to run over a couple of Liberals......if only I could find some Anarchists! Yiiippppeeeeee!!!!

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/rant/carcgreen2.jpg



Boy you guys really have it in for Johnny Spann...true Americans till the end, huh?

You know maybe I ain't up to your current "psycho" "left-wing", "socialist", "commie", "anarchist", "fucked-in-the-brain" icons...but, I was just saying that Jane Fonda was a perfect example of a Liberal...and, I don't care what era she was from, she is still a bitch! And as for Knuckle-head "George Gipp", You are the fucker who is the ignorant one...at least I come to this Anarchist site, and fight for what I believe in...over, and over! What do you do? Just sit back and call names, and think to yourself..."Well, I am the enlighted one" Well, just keep believing that way fuck-for-brains!

You guys are really showing your true colors...you, know "Smack down" for one, I would not go downtown to protest the crap you do, and even if I did....I wouldn't be dancing in the street in some sort of "Orgasmic" rebellion trance!

Get a clue, and get a life!

email me at madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

Run you Punk-Bitch Anarchists....Run! And, go hide your face in your lil' black masks!

Peace Bro'!



You call this a fight 28.Aug.2002 20:56

George Gipp

Coming to this site and posting your moronic rants and halfwitted graphics; your pathetic.

You want a fight, (a real one), why don't you post on this board a recent photo drivers license of yourself, along with a home telephone number, and a copy of your social security card and we will give you a fight. Or are you too chickenshit for that.

Well dummy lets see how far you are willing to fight for what you believe in. We're waiting.

The Rules 28.Aug.2002 21:51

whatthefuckisindymedia?

Mad Republican, if you're gonna bother trying to hit your head against the wall here, at least try to understand the rules. I know it might be tough to get some of this, it's so NOT normal and all.

Anyone, anywhere, with internet access, can and does post to this site. When you say "you all" you are talking to every person who ever has, does, or will come to this web site. It makes you sound silly.

To a good percentage of the people who use this community resource, "Liberal" is nearly as bad a word as "conservative", both being of the authoritarian bent.

Have fun, ya wanker.

To everyone else: try not to feed the trolls :-)

Afraid of a "Liberal"????? 29.Aug.2002 08:57

Mad Republican madrepublican@hotmail.com

OOOOOOOOOO.....Mr. Gipp! Big Man, with a big stick...I am Soooo scared!

You know it is you who is hiding...I put my website on here, and also an email address to get a hold of me.

You? some stupid made-up name..that can't be traced back to, or gotten a hold of...seems to me it is you who is the coward...why don't you dipshit, put your ID up for all you fucked-up Anarchists can see too?

Run in the bushes and hide Socialist Liberal...and rules for this site...?

This is a fuckin' Anarchist site...there ain't no friggen rules....I hate organized Anarchists!

Typical left-wing Hyprocracy...close-minded, kill-ya, if you don't agree with us...or, at least fuck-ya-up...mentality.

What is the word I am searching for that best describes bottom-feeders like you Mr. Gipp...?

LOSER! Yeah, that was it! Wass-da-matter? Did I invade your little Litter-box of a Anarchist site? GOOD!

Have a nice day...and let's all win one for the Gipster...?

you won't hear this from Gipp, but...

email me at: madrepublican@hotmail.com

visit me at:

http://www.tupics.com/member/heggesses/index.html

Bringing it to the Left-wingers, Anarchist's, Liberal's, and I ain't running away from no one! And, to be sure from no Punk-Bitch...like Mr. Gipp!



Blow harder, Madman! 29.Aug.2002 13:25

Bro'

I think your ideas about the forests and fishing have some merrit. The key problem that I see with these (and many other) 'conservative' solutions that I see proposed, are there oversimplistic shortsightedness. For example, I don't see how a ten year ban would facilitate the recovery of a two thousand year old tree (stump) or an extinct species of fish. I see this 'easy answer' philosophy used time and again (along with lots of name-calling) by the 'right', and I must admit that it seems to be pretty effective to a large group of people. Lots of people seem to be looking for easy anwers. I believe that to be one of the primary reasons for the popularity of religion. Many folks are most comfortable with a cookie-book prescription for life. What does puzzle me is how religious folks (I'm not calling you religious) can so easily overlook some of the most basic principles of the cookie-book, (such as thou shalt not kill, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, turn the other cheek, judge not lest ye be judged, and so forth), and still feel confident that they will not burn in the firey depths of hell that they seem to condemn 'non-believers to. Can you explain this?

Also, I don't understand why the so-called 'right' keeps touting a media darling from 30+ years ago (Fonda) as a textbook representative of the 'liberals'. I have never met, nor am I aquainted with anyone, in or out of mainstream society, aside form "conservatives", that tout her as any kind of a progressive icon. How about a more current example? I don't look to profit financially from my social justice efforts, and in fact, they generally tax my resources, but I think that the tax is worth it. I don't see how the Jane example relates to my views at all. Does that mean that I am not a liberal? You claim to be able to go on for hours about what it is to be a liberal. I would prefer a clear, concise, definition. Failing that, could you provide me with your definition of a 'conservative'? These terms honestly make no sense to me. I tried looking them up in Webster's, but the definitions didn't seem to apply.

As far as taking your fight to the groups that you mentioned, hiding behind your keyboard doesn't seem very courageous to me. I have taken several oppotunities to express my views publicly, in the street, and at public governmental meetings. I'll be out again, at the next opportunity if you really want to bring it to me. Your facist protectors have plenty of photos of me if you would like some identification. I'm the short haired, U.S. Army veteran guy, with no tie-dye and an engineering degree. Hope to see you next time, if you've got the stones.

Chickenshit wimps out 29.Aug.2002 13:55

George Gipp

You came here looking for a fight. We didn't go to whatever drainage ditch you call home and challenge you to a fight.

These are our conditions for such a fight. If you don't like it, then why don't you seep back down to that sewer you call home. Quit waisting our time, coward.

A word of caution 29.Aug.2002 17:39

Occupant

It is stongly advised that readers here do not reply to or engage the poster using the name "Madrepublican" on the web addresses that said poster has provided. Such information can and most likely will be used against one.

This is an old provacateurs trick, please keep as far away from this person as possible.