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Bush wants to rape Cascadia's forests

Bush does a great job in pissing off Oregonians!
The idea that Bush wants to "thin out" the forest is the most ludicrous and insanely wreckless idea he has had and how dare he uses the forest fires in Oregon to justify his point.

Bush claims that thining out the forest will create safe areas for population but there is no real proof of this as fact. The truth of the matter he wants to give logging companies "carte blanche" to go in and rip up hundreds of acres of forests thus creating blight to the local ecosystem of our lands.

With the movement growing to loosen up land management laws in Oregon and now this, Oregonians must fight very hard to protect their precious environment from rape by developers and the logging industry. If they win, you will have huge pockets of blight and chaotic urban sprawl just like what is happening in Washington state.

In Washington, the regulations and laws that are suppose to be "protecting" our forests and rural lands have no real teeth and are simply window dressing. The companies and industries have the government of the state of Washington in their back pocket. This is why we have all of the problems we are having. The powers in Olympia are going from the same play book the Californians went by years ago and we know what happened to California. There is a prime example of what not to do in land management.

My hope is Oregon won't follow the same perilous path that California and Washington have taken.

John Phillip

Cascadian National Party (CNP)

homepage: homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/cascadia
address: address: Seattle

Firebreaks 23.Aug.2002 19:58

Bush Admirer

Excuse me John, isn't a firebreak a good idea for preventing the uncontrolled spread of forest fires?

And isn't your organization that left leaning wierdo group that wants to take Oregon and Washington out of the United States. That's laughable.

Trees = rain 23.Aug.2002 20:44

Dazz

Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about protecting the forests from fire. He'd use any excuse to turn these public resources over to his mobster pals.

To protect forests in the NW play up the angle of the forests as humidifiers for the rest of the nation downwind, where everyone is currently hurting from prolonged drought conditions.

Get midwestern farmers and land developers who require water allotments to wince at the thought of losing more trees.

"Chaotic Urban Sprawl" 24.Aug.2002 11:15

Silvia

John, you enviro's really are exposed and naked. We all now know that it isn't about our forests and saving the trees, etc. it's about World Government and losing our sovereignty to the murdering UN and their agenda to deny all of us of our inalienable right to own and control the use of private property.

Urban sprawl,sustainable development, environmental impacts,etc. are all just buss words for controling the use of private property and the Subjects right to own.

UN Conference on Human Settlements (Habitat 1) Vancouver, May31-June11, 1976. Preamble states:

"Land....cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole, public control of land use is therefore indispensable."

This preamble is followed by nine pages of policy recommendations endorsed by several other nations including the United States.

Your buss words John are nothing more than new verbage for old words like socialism, communism, global governance. Stalin, Hitler, Castro and Mao would be very proud of you and your comrades.

Everyone check out "www.sawgrassrebellion.org " Please, if possible help support our countrymen. It is evident they have a hit list and YOU may be next!

Oh please! 24.Aug.2002 12:39

John Phillip cnp4cascadia@angelfire.com

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John, you enviro's really are exposed and naked. We all now know that it isn't about our forests and saving the trees, etc. it's about World Government and losing our sovereignty to the murdering UN and their agenda to deny all of us of our inalienable right to own and control the use of private property.

Urban sprawl,sustainable development, environmental impacts,etc. are all just buss words for controling the use of private property and the Subjects right to own.

UN Conference on Human Settlements (Habitat 1) Vancouver, May31-June11, 1976. Preamble states:

"Land....cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole, public control of land use is therefore indispensable."

This preamble is followed by nine pages of policy recommendations endorsed by several other nations including the United States.

Your buss words John are nothing more than new verbage for old words like socialism, communism, global governance. Stalin, Hitler, Castro and Mao would be very proud of you and your comrades.

Everyone check out "www.sawgrassrebellion.org " Please, if possible help support our countrymen. It is evident they have a hit list and YOU may be next!"

Well for starters, I am NOT an advocate for control what people do on their lands but I think that comes the right of ownership comes the responsibility to take of it and the areas that surround it.What Bush advocates is a total clearout of most of the forests in order to save it. When a person owns a car, that right to drive it is also a priviledge and owning land is no different.

The CNP advocates the freedom of land ownership for all but if somebody violates that right like over development, toxic waste dumping, and building on without any thought of how it is impacting the ecology. Use some common sense on how you are using your land. That's all!

What you are using is a greater picture of what is going on in the World today but in order to do that, you must look at what is happening in your communities before you paint this grandiose picture of what the World is going through. All politics are local as they say.

Your verbage is nothing more than some stupid assumption that I advocate some sort of dictatorship. You are so stupid to assume such nonsense. I advocate a more decentralized localized libertarian-socialist way of conducting the policies. While libertarian is the one of the words to describe what I advocate, it does not mean that anybody can do something wreckless and destructive on their lands which would impact their neighbors.

It is not a communist nor fascist thing, it just common sense and common courtesy. Save your Trilaterial Commission and black helicopters drivel for another topic!


John


Stupid Plan 24.Aug.2002 12:55

Bush Is A Moron

Thinning forests to prevent forest fires is like filling in rivers to stop flooding. Thanks to all those protesting in Oregon who turned out to defend the Homeland forests!

And thanks to CNP! Don't let those radical right-wing earth-haters fool you. The PUBLIC wants to know that their PUBLIC lands are safe from the chainsaws of Bush's billionaire timber buddies.

where did all these morons come from? 24.Aug.2002 18:54

a real girl

bush lover and Silvia are probably the same sick moron. why the hell are they even commenting on the independent media center? don't you asswipes need to be somewhere else, like the CNN chat room or something? all you half-wits know is what those psychotically right-winged maniacs indoctrinate people to believe on thier vastly owned and controlled networks.. infecting the simple-minded fools like bush fucker & silvia, that don't question anything and accept their perverted perspective of reality.

"Urban sprawl,sustainable development, environmental impacts,etc. are all just buss words for controling the use of private property and the Subjects right to own."

it's obvious that silvia is not from this planet. she must have been living on mars for the past 50 years. god, i've never heard such twisted form of shit-talk before! what a demented moron.. probably still thinks that the earth is flat and that it's 5000 years old!!