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Shrub's Speech - More of the Same

"We arrested people, about 2500 so far, and about an equal number who have not been so lucky. They don't value life like we value life," President Bush says at speech in downtown Portland as crowd laughs.
Yes, he really did say that. His speech was more of what you'd expect at a rah rah fund raiser.

He started off urging people to keep Smith in office, claiming that Smith is a big environmentalist. He continued on the riff he's been using lately about how current forestry policy allows for kindling buildup in our forests while allowing litigation procedures from preventing a "common sense forestry policy" from executing. "We want people to express their opinion but not ought to use that privilege to tie up good common sense policy so that the forests will burn." Yes, that is the way he talks.

He then went on about the recent education bill. And then he went on about his new trade authority that Smith helped to give him

It was then that he talked about justice and 9/11 and his whopper. First he continued with his old "Either you're with us or you're with them" riff as being the doctrine of the first war in the 21st Century. Then came his first big whopper: "We arrested people - about 2500 people so far - and an equal number who have nobeen so lucky (crowd laughs). They don't value life like we value life - that's not the way they think."

Not missing a beat he used this reasoning to justify the largest increase in "defense" spending since the Reagan administration. He added, "I want our troops well trained and well paid. They deserve the absolute best from our goverment." I guess if the nature of war (people w/ nothing to gain and the most to lose are used as pawns by those with the most to gain and the least to lose) and the history of secret testing on our soldiars is the absolute best from our government... oh, wait, and a little bit of cash too. Yes, on cash, he had problems pronouncing "entrepreneurial" when he went on about how he's helping to create a climate positive to entrepreneurs.

Message from a veteran 22.Aug.2002 19:26

Not In My Name

[Bush] added, "I want our troops well trained and well paid. They deserve the absolute best from our goverment."

Notwithstanding the denial of Gulf War Syndrome, the victims of agent orange, and the other abuses of enlisted personnel, here's what a U.S. veteran has to say about the government's treatment of soldiers.

Message From a Vet

I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims of the September 11th casualty, and those who die serving the country in uniform, are profound.

No one is really talking about it either because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11th. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11th attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million. If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs.

If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt. Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11th families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad.

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."-Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

Every time when a pay raise comes up for the military they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low rent housing.

However our own U. S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month and most are now equal to be millionaires plus.

They also do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harms way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.

"When do we finally do something about this ??" If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.

can that be verified? 22.Aug.2002 19:34


Holy fuckin' shit! Bush gets more insane with every day

How Bush Values Human Life 22.Aug.2002 19:38

Not In My Name

[Bush] spoke of the antiwar protestors and the forest defenders, "They don't value life like we value life - that's not the way they think."

How DOES Bush value life? Here's a picture of the mass graves in Afghanistan, filled with 1000+ human bodies who suffocated to death in U.S. shipping containers. Bush's military continues to cover-up the war crimes, and Bush continues to oppose the International Criminal Court (which was set up to prosecute those who flagrantly violate human rights and commit war crimes).
How Bush Values Human Life
How Bush Values Human Life

Not Factual 22.Aug.2002 20:14


Unfortunately, I hate to inform you, because I know you are smart enough to look up and research it yourself, but that is not how much a person will receive for the death of a military family member. Upon entering any active/reserve duty status you can opt for payments or lump sum of your life insurance which is $250,000. Having seen several of my comrades in arms die throughout time I can inform you that they do receive the $250,000 check upon death. This is firsthand verified information with my own eyes.

Also, you should probably have some people go to Afghanistan and investigate those "mass graves" you are showing in pictures.

Next, mass graves in any country have nothing to do with Bush. We have not killed any Afghani nationals on a large enough scale to cause mass graves with body counts in the thousands.

Gravesites in Area of Mazar-I-Sharif 22.Aug.2002 20:27

Air Force Vet

Physicians for Human Rights exposes U.S. war crime coverup. Their preliminary investigation into the mass graves in Afghanistan can be read here:  http://www.phrusa.org/research/afghanistan/report_graves.html. Additional photos of the mass graves can be viewed here:  http://www.phrusa.org/research/afghanistan/report_graves_photos.html.

Bush's regard for human life is demonstrated by his long record of executions in Texas, which includes the mentally retarded.

get your facts straight! 22.Aug.2002 21:39

chris onedrop

[Bush] spoke of the antiwar protestors and the forest defenders, "They don't value life like we value life - that's not the way they think."

i heard the speech myself! and this statment was made when he was speaking of the international terrorrist...not antiwar protestors!

just thought you should know =)

facts are facts 22.Aug.2002 23:26


I didn't think anyone would think the cops did a mass arrest of 2500 people in portland and then killed 2500 other protestors. The people that talks about having killed are mostly Afghanistan civilians.

$250,000=from insurance servicemember pays fo 23.Aug.2002 00:31


MarineVet: What the earlier writer was trying to point out was the vast discrepancy between what the people (service members) who do the work and put their lives on the line get versus the politicians. Neither did you tell the whole truth. No servicemember gets $250,000 UNLESS they pay the insurance premiums. That is all it is, an insurance premium, which servicemembers can take (and pay premiums like any insurance)or decline. Your message leaves the unknowing reader to think our government or our military gives the $250,000. Not true.

We've heard this song before... 23.Aug.2002 08:44

Mermaid59 marisa@thebeltanepapers.net

"We arrested people [in Afghanistan], about 2500 so far, and about an equal number who have not been so lucky. They don't value life like we value life," President Bush says at speech in downtown Portland as crowd laughs.

"They don't value life like we value life." Did you ever see the 1974 Vietnam War documentary HEARTS AND MINDS? General Westmoreland uses this exact same phrase to describe the Vietnamese. The very next scene depicts a Vietnamese woman so hysterical with grief that she tries to climb down into the grave of her murdered loved one, so that she might be buried with him.

The American Right will continually attempt to dehumanize "the enemy" wherever they think they see one, in order to gain popular support. I always find it ironic that they label this or that foreign despot "another Hitler", when no one uses fascist tactics better than themselves. They also seem to have forgotten that this country was founded on dissent and protest. Apparently now that "they" are in charge, we are all supposed to roll over and play dead, and let them do whatever they want in the name of "democracy" (I know, I know, stop laughing!!).

A common charge the Right flings at us is "You don't love this country." Oh, I see. In order to demonstrate my love for my country, I'm supposed to keep silent and just support everything Bush & Co. come up with. I'm not, in point of fact, supposed to find ANYTHING wrong with what they do. We're all just supposed to be good widdle boys and girls and not worry about a thing, knowing that "Daddy is taking care of us." By the way, don't you find it fascinating that when a Democrat is president, the federal government is this evil shapeless monster that's trying to stomp all over our rights; but when a Republican gets in, suddenly it becomes this shining moral beacon of all that's good and true? Not that I have any great love for the Democrats either, but you get my drift...

Well, guess what? We will NOT roll over and play dead. We will NOT give up our precious right to criticize our leaders. We are in the midst of a revolution - a peaceful, non-violent revolution (at least at our end!), to be sure, but a revolution nonetheless. We will NOT be silenced! Keep fighting the good fight, Portlanders and everyone all over the world! Power to the people!

Congressional pensions 23.Aug.2002 10:32

Hannah palindrome242@hotmail.com

Where did "Not In My Name" get the information about congressional pensions? According to the following Web site, it is an urban legend, and most members of congress receive an average pension of about $50,000 a year.


The amount varies depending on years of service. Members of congress pay social security taxes, according to a C-SPAN link. The link also says that congressional pensions are limited to 80 percent of income during the last year of service; however, another source says the new law changes that.


The following link says that the Clinton/Gore pensions, the largest in US government history, will be about $100,000 a year--a lot, certainly, but even those don't add up to $15,000/month:


This link says the top pension currently being paid to a former congressperson is about $112,000. It also says the lowest is about $60,000, which refutes the CSPAN claim:


Everyone says you have to be in Congress 5 years to be eligible for a pension. This certainly does not jive with Not In My Name's assertion that you only have to be in Congress one term to get the pension.

It's great the indymedia is open for anyone and everyone with access to the internet to post information. But it is the responsibility of posters to research your information before you post it. The fact that you are allowed to be anonymous only enhances this risk, because you do not have to have any accountability for what you say. I did a google search for congressional pensions and came up with several articles that refuted the $15,000/month claim. While it is still unclear to me exactly what the system is, I am fully convinced that NIMN has grossly exaggerated.


Congressional Pensions 2 23.Aug.2002 10:37


Perhaps the best information about congressional pensions can be found in this document on the National Taxpayer's Union Web site:



Pension, Shmesion 23.Aug.2002 10:54

Not in My Name Either JJohnston@hotmail.com

I could give a ------ how much of a pension any congressperson makes since they
are so easily bought off by PACs (like the AIPAC) and corporations anyways. I think
the NIMN Vet's point is simple. It ain't worth it to die for this nation in a foreign country,
especially in Iraq where you are more than likely to get cancer from the shrapnel of the
U.S.-made uranium-plated ammunition that have polluted the ecosystem of the region
since the Gulf War. A veteran friend of mine from operation desert storm/war for oil not
only has cancer, but is also losing the pigmentation of his skin (a la Michael Jackson).
He is now a very good public speaker who mentors youth and speaks to High School kids
about the cons of doing military service. I suppose some would call the uranium bullets claim
another "urban legend," but I challenge skeptics to use another more "objective" source
of information other than state/federal agencies and commanding officers.

Active military: talk to theVets 23.Aug.2002 17:26

A veteran linetimer@aol.com

Active duty military need to get with veterans to find out how President Bush made promises and broke them as soon as he got in office. He's turned his back on the vets. Any active duty person who doesn't know about concurrent receipt is needs to find out. Concurrent Receipt is the term used to say retired pay and disability pay cannot be paid to one person at the same time.

In other words if a soldier is retired and disabled the current law mandates that retired disabled veterans to give back to the government $1 of retirement pay for every dollar of disability pay they recieve.

Remember when President Bush gave the state of the Union address? He introduced an injured senior NCO from Afganistan with a crushed hand. Does that soldier know this? Did you?

Keep in mind no other retired civil servant has their disability pay deducted from their retirement pension. It's only deducted from military retirees. This restriction on the military is based on an outdated law that's over 100 years old.

Both the House and the Senate voted to kill this 100 year old law. President Bush (thru OMB Director Mitch Daniels) has promised to veto the Defense spending bill because of what the Congress did...Bush and Daniels say the government doesn't have the money to pay both retirment pension and disabilty pension to the same veteran.

When Bush was running for office he went to veterans organizations all over America saying he would fix this particular problem.

Bush offers wider opportunities 23.Aug.2002 18:06

George Jung

Since Bush has decided to open his mouth and confuse not just our nation but the world, I think we should give him credit for opening the highest office in the land to the least qualified in the land. Thanks G.W. I wonder who will support a war by such a lame brain.

Re: Message from a veteran 23.Aug.2002 18:18


Not In My Name - You told it like it is! The veteran's are sent out to pasture upon retirement or leaving active duty.

The "insurance" is an option ONLY. It is called SGLI. It is NOT a 'given', as it is with the so-called political representatives.

I must add: Prior to bush taking (literally) the pResidency, a bill was passed to increase the loose spending cash from $200,000.00 to $400,000.00 annually. That is a 100% increase folks! No accident that bush is the first to benefit from this obscene spending cash. Remember, all living expenses are PAID.

Portland, Oregon! The nation benefits from your passion and courage! I am in awe of your Spirit!

"BUSH IS A MASS MURDERER" 24.Aug.2002 10:31


Yes, it is true and you find out all about it through "911 Road to Tyanny" video on "www.infowars.com". You can download the video on the site. This is the information war to take not only Portland, but America back. God Bless!

bunnypants is clueless any where he goes 24.Aug.2002 11:28

sean heretic seanheretici@netscape.net

one person made the comment that bush was speaking of the war on terrorists and not the protesters.....when he made his statement concerning the value of human life.....truth is he does not know the difference...nor does he care....however he does put a very high on his own hide....or he would not have run like a chicken when the wtc crumbled.....clinton or gore would have been out there with shovels digging for survivors...the only violence in the oregon protests were on the part of the police and one little kid in his mothers arms who puked on a cop when they were pepper sprayed.

Troops well trained and well paid --- Bush 24.Aug.2002 15:08

Mom of Four Kids - all in the Navy

Bush wants the troops "well trained and well paid." When is that going to happen, because right now many members of the military are on welfare. Anyone with a family in any branch of the military qualifies for Food Stamps. That is a disgrace.

When will the be "paid well?" They aren't now. Recently my my stepson was beaten and robbed at a naval base atm for $20,BY A FELLOW SAILOR. Most important, why don't the "chicken hawks" (who never served in the military and avoided the wars) who are supporting the plans for the Iraq war send their kids?



The havoc in Oregon that was vented on innocent peaceful protestors is "unfortiveable". Spraying pepper spray in a "babies" face???? If you see anything wrong with this approach, you should begin by inundating Oregon police with email protesting their actions on free American Citizens. They should also be taken to court for the crime of harming a tiny baby. If I remember correctly - police are NOT permitted use of those "club sticks" anymore. NAACP had that action revoked. So why were our American Citizens treated like a herd of cattle about to dirty the streets of Oregon simply for voicing their "God given right of speech"????....because Bush will not permit it. There will be no voices any longer. He's gutting the EPA/ESA and any environmental protection he can get his chronies into.

Look out America - some of you voted the WRONG person into the White House ---- but lest we forget - it was the US Supreme Court that handed the keys to the White House to this irrational child of tantrums [bush] at the 11th hour.

Let's just pray that Congress opens their eyes to what this silver spooned brat is doing to our world and the war he has pitted us against with the entire world....and pray they impeach him from office "yesterday".

Shrub? You say Shrub? 30.Mar.2003 14:07


Pick on the president if he flubs a word or has a awkward sentence now and then if you must, it doesn't change the fact that he is the President of the United States of America.

If you're tearing apart his words than you must not have much else to attack him about - which also means he's doing pretty dammmmmn well if the biggest complaints about his seat in the oval office is the way he talks.

By the way, even statesmen can have nerves talking to groups. Bush's public speaking has always been the topic of critics, but his policies are strong, true, good, and brilliant. He's picked a great cabinet, he's really leading us well, and he's a great man.

How about you find something more meaningful to do with your time?


solidarity 22.Nov.2003 06:56


to all you americans i'd just like u to know the same things are happening in this country too ( australia) our media lies and omits abouts protests for example we had a anti war protest that stretched for 10 city blocks but was made out to be a rag tag bunch of professional protesters. i saw many mum dads, grandmas, grandpas and children involved but our media depicted it as as just university students and left over hippies.
when the protestest got to our city hall (brisbane) our mayor raised the u.n flag in solidarity with a global response to iraq and in protest to bush's unilateral action. the crowd response was like a revoulution. we felt like we were at a cross roads we could chosse selfish state based interests or we could act in the best interests of the world in a coordinated action after considering everthing.

i support all people involved in protesting against bush and he's lies.
and if anyone abuses u for anti-american attitudes just say u are a citizen of the world.