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Who are the radicals here?

Simple question with (perhaps) productive answer.
Who are the radicals here?


Okay gang, I love you and I want everyone to stand up and be
counted and I would love to see massive numbers at the upcoming
GWB protest, whatever form it takes.

Here's something that just occured to me.

Who are the radicals here?

It's not us anymore.

We are the citizens. We are the voters. We are the tax-payers.

The government of GWB and Co. are the radicals at this point in
history. They are the ones proposing and implementing ever more
illogical, destructive, and literally insane policies. This is what
radicals are famous for.

We are not the radicals anymore.

They are.

Wouldn't it be great if we all showed up on Thursday all clean
and neat with business suits and conservative clothes? I mean,
it's a look, right? So dig...imagine in our 21st century collective
orbiting consciousness 10 thousand CITIZENS showing up to protest
this fraudulent administration. Peaceful, together, strong, cool,
confident, shoulder to shoulder smiling calm. I mean, we're right
they're wrong. Act as though we've already won the battle and we're
just showing up to observe.

It's an idea.
I like the concept 16.Aug.2002 19:25

jc

... even though i probably won't be in a business suit. But that's been my point for quite a while. The people so often labeled "extremists," "radicals," and "terrorists" are often those asking for common sense and compassion to prevail; even when that is not strictly the case, when looking at the actions of authority versus those standing up to it, an honest assessment would prove the authorities far more extremist, far more radical, and hands-down the terrorists.

Anyway, regardless of the tactics employed, the scene you paint is pleasantly outside the box we've been working in.

smashing baby 16.Aug.2002 20:24

mini-rebel

i think that it's a smashing idea - i've been thinking that it would be powerful to have a dress theme. all black, all green, all red, red and black, green and black, rainbow solids, suits, something that makes us really stand apart.

hmmmmm (!!) 16.Aug.2002 20:41

terra guerrera

so: either bright matching solids? eg: bright green top, bright green bottom - - - or mixmatched plaids and big polka dots?

i love black but wear it enough it's not novel. i think that's the case w/many and don't feel we'd exactly stand out ... though it would be appropriate since we really should have a funeral for the constitution, bill of rights and other occasionally useful pretenses to representational democracy.

meanings count 16.Aug.2002 20:50

.

I like much of what you said,

but,

radical = at the root

radical political thought analyzes the root of political problems

I'm a proud radical

radical does not mean loony, out-there, or crazy

polka dots sound fun but... 16.Aug.2002 22:17

mini-rebel

solids i think - i have no polka dots, perhaps many don't, but solids are easy to come up with.

color ideas? i was thinking about the black for the same reasons you mention terra guerrera, and when hundreds are wearing it, it makes a huge impact.

More rambling ideas 17.Aug.2002 10:43

*/*/*/

We could also opt for prison stripes and chains ... lugging around war planes behind us, to celebrate the war/police state and the concentration camp homes many of us will be living in within the next few years.

anyway, solids and blacks sound like good clothing choices. props to make those choices meaningful would be even better.

I think i may invest in making copies of the constitution and bill of rights to hand out, and people can do with them as they please. Then there are the treaties and accords that GW has broken lately...

These people are definitely NOT conservative 17.Aug.2002 16:23

old hippie

and you're right about the radical root. The State will stop at nothing to fulfill their terrorist agendas. We must RESIST. And have fun! Outrageous vintage and faux-vintage clothing with lots of accessories would get the people's and the press's attention-Billionaires for Bush(and Gore) are quite effective. Of course, black is always appropriate, rhinestones are good, hats are important.

And honor the union people- they have a great deal at stake here too. Best to you all!!

actually... 18.Aug.2002 16:17

vinegar

actually, it would be really cool if everybody showed up in all black and with masks so some shit could finally get done, instead of just feel-good symbolic "stand witness" bullshit while the whole world goes to hell.

Perhaps that doesn't appeal to you? well neither does having anything to do with people in suits and ties appeal to me.

who's the radicals? I sure as hell hope it's us, but obviously some of us just want to reform the system a bit. so you do what you want to do, I'll do what I want to do, and I'll convince as many other people as I can not to listen to you because you basically support a system that I believe is inextricable from racism, sexism, classism and the destruction of the biosphere.

You do that 18.Aug.2002 22:44

ovlphin

nobody's fucking stopping you.

blah fucking blah 19.Aug.2002 00:22

blah blah

Yeah, there's a perfect system and you black bandana folks have all the fucking answers. considering that you want to bring down this racist, sexist, ististist s-ist-im, shouldn't you just be communicating among people you trust instead of spouting off on some glorified bulletin board? Despite all your ranting about poserdom, are YOU doing what you say the rest of us should do? and try to really ponder this: not everyone is going to want to fall in with your version of HOW IT ALL SHOULD BE. As long as people can't respect that we all have different ideas of how we want to live and different ideas about how to get there, and JUST DO OUR OWN FUCKING THING, there will be no peace. All in all, it seems we may be as dumb as those conservative assholes say we are.

reply to blah blah 19.Aug.2002 01:23

take a stand

You say: "As long as people can't respect that we all have different ideas of how we want to live and different ideas about how to get there, and JUST DO OUR OWN FUCKING THING, there will be no peace. All in all, it seems we may be as dumb as those conservative assholes say we are."

There's one thing the conservative assholes have gotten right, and that's their critique of the left's moral relativism -- this idea that no one is right or wrong, we're all just different. The left has been characterized as morally bankrupt for its relativism, and I agree with the criticism.

This is because everyone's opinions and choices have consequences. If it your opinion that it's okay to move out the middle of nowhere and drive an hour to work each day both ways in an SUV rather than living closer to work and biking/walking/bussing/MAXing because you want "a little space" or whatever, and you choose to have this lifestyle even though you know that the thirst for oil causes wars, suburban infrastructure destroys the environment and isolates people, and billions of dollars that could pay for better schools and health care are spent building roads and subsidizing the low price of gas, then your opinion and choice is not just different, it's wrong. Selfish=Immoral. The person who chooses to live more simply, bike, and not have as much personal space is not merely making a different choice, they are making a BETTER choice. Their choices, while still destructive (just living in the U.S. and depending on its infrastructure takes a toll on the planet) are not *as* bad, *as* selfish, *as* immoral. And that's the direction we all need to be moving in if we want to stop war, save lives, and keep this planet from becoming completely uninhabitable for all life. This is no time for the civility of moral relativism. This is the time for action and real change. We've got to stop cutting each other and ourselves slack and make some serious efforts. Those who don't are wrong. Those who do try might not be completely right, but they are on a *better* track. And it's completely fair to point that out. Indeed, we must. This is what "responsibility" means.

How about taking a stand 19.Aug.2002 01:44

whatfuckingever

against people condemning each others' stands. deciding on peaceful witness-type protest *is* taking a stand, just not the stand you may want. Is there room for differing opinions in your world where moral relativism is wrongthink?

Please no more going off the deepend about SUV's. That's at best a very tenuous tangent to this discussion.

Who is a radical? 19.Aug.2002 08:54

Leopard

<<<against people condemning each others' stands. deciding on peaceful witness-type protest *is* taking a stand, just not the stand you may want. Is there room for differing opinions in your world where moral relativism is wrongthink?>>>


Peaceful witness-type protest is great, and the problem with moral relativism is that it has become the rightthink and needs to be busted out of. There is right and wrong, and there is constructive action and destructive action.


<<<Please no more going off the deepend about SUV's. That's at best a very tenuous tangent to this discussion.>>>

You got it backwards - the SUV drivers are already going off the deep end, and people speak up about it because the SUV drivers are taking the rest of us and the world with them.

and it is very relavant to this thread which is 'Who are the radicals?'

It is not radical to suggest that driving cars is one of the most destructive forces in the world. It is common sense and human responsibility to do so. The radicals are the drivers who collectively are a major factor in the radical alteration of the environment and social fabric. Just because there is a collective insanity about it, that it is socially accepted, the sane voices who speak up about it are called radical and marginalized.

In general, whether one is speaking about cars, or other decadent social habits and actually suggest that a major change is necessary, you get labeled a radical.

I am a conservative. I wish to conserve resources, conserve other species, conserve good health. I wish to conserve a balanced and fruitful earth, and so I will be at the Bush protest to be a peaceful witness to this madman, and it is a good suggestion by the original poster as to dress and appearance.