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Greg Palast in Portland - Tomorrow!

Don't miss the chance to hear one of the world's most respected journalists - Tuesday, June 18th, 7pm, First Unitarian Church.
GREG PALAST TO SPEAK IN PORTLAND ON JUNE 18 AT FIRST UNITARIAN CHURCH

An investigative reporter exposes the truth about globalization, corporate cons, and high finance fraudsters...

An evening with Greg Palast
Investigative Journalist and Author of The Best Democracy Money Can Buy

June 18
7-9:00 p.m.

First Unitarian Church
SW 12th & Main St., Portland

$5 to $10 Donation Suggested
No one will be turned away

Award-winning investigative journalist Greg Palast has broken some of the biggest stories of the decade...

* What really happened during the unsuccessful coup against Venezuelaıs Hugo Chavez.

* How Enron cut its teeth on other countries, including Britain, India and several South American nations, before moving on to U.S. domestic territory.

* How Governor Jeb Bush authorized the illegal removal of tens of thousands of registered African American citizens from the voter rolls prior to the 2000 election.

* What the World Bank and International Monetary Fund did to trigger the crisis in Argentina and how they profited from that nationıs plight.

* How the Bush Administration killed investigations of Saudi Arabian
funding of terrorist networks prior to September 11.

Donıt miss what promises to be a fascinating evening with one of the worldıs most respected journalists.

"...(Palast) distinguishes himself from many other advocacy journalists both left and right with his near obsession with documentary evidence...and his painstaking research methods." - Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune

Sponsored by The Portland Alliance, KBOO, The Rearguard, Portland Peaceful Response Coalition and Oregon Wildlife Federation

Palast will also appear at Powell's Bookstore at 3:30 on the 18th.
watch for liberalism 17.Jun.2002 11:11

marshall forloveoflife76@hotmail.com

I too love Palasts investigative zeal, but I'm afraid to go see him speak when he comes to Eugene because I just know that he's going to dissapoint me in the same way that Norman Solomon, M. Moore, and to a great degree Mike Rupport dissapointed me. They're reformist liberals, maybe liberal extremists in some cases but not anti-statist, anti-industrial or anti-authoritarian. It's just sad to hear someone who sees the depth and breadth of many problems so well and then advocates a response that seems totally out of proportion.

I far prefer seeing Ramona Africa, Derrick Jensen or Craig R. speak. Numerous indigenous speakers who have come to Eugene, Ward Churchill, Chellis Glendining, and others do a great job of combining the info with analysis and advocacy that seems sane and inspiring. They don't tell me to vote or write to some asshole politician. So it's not that I can't be satisfied, you know?


So Why not welcome him? 17.Jun.2002 13:14

sue

I am happy that Greg Palast will be speaking in Portland, and hope he has a good trunout. He's a real journalist,in a world where there are so few of them left, and deserves to be heard. And let's hope that the "left" can get over its devisiveness, otherwise the fascists are going to take control of all of us while we nit-pick. The Adminstration's power is in appearing cohesive. I'm not suggesting that those of us who believe oursleves to be "progressive" speak in one voice, but perhaps honoring the diversity within our own numbers would be good.

To Marshall 17.Jun.2002 18:33

David Ney shiitakemushroom@hotmail.com

I completley agree with you. REAL change can (and will) only come from destruction of the state. We anarchists certainly understand this concept, but there are many people out there (the majority), who still believe that reform is a viable was to create positive change.

I don't restrict my social interactions to just anarchists, in fact I have many statist friends, who have good intentions, but do not understand the anarchist point of view, simply because of years and years of indoctrination. The same holds true for many talented journalists, like Greg Palast. I love to hear Pam Africa speak as well, but I would also love to see Palast speak, just because of how much insight he has given me, especially concerning the IMF's water privitization plot in South Amerika, and elsewhere (COMING SOON TO NORTH AMERIKA! WAIT IT'S ALREADY HERE!)

More important than seeing Greg speak yourself, merely referring people to the event could do wonders! If there is a statist just beginning to question the motives of corrupt government, but does not have enough information, Greg Palast would be a fantastic start!

I started out as a brainwashed statist, and it took me reading radical (but not quite outright anarchist) authors and journalists to even open me up to the idea of non-statism. Noam Chomsky blew my mind when I first became interested in radical politics, but now (although I strongly urge EVERYONE to read his books, namely "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" which can be found here (in it's entirety):  http://www.zmag.org/chomsky , I consider him to be TOO statist. Yes, he is radical, but he does not quite understand the kind of radicalism nessisary to topple this insane regime.

And as far as Mike Ruppert goes, yes, he's a statist, and yes he's an ex-cop (he speaks out against police power now, however), and I do not agree with him 100%. But what is important about Ruppert is not what he proposes as a solution to all of this nonsense (which is not entirely clear anyway), but the investigative journalism he has carried out, and the explosive things he has uncovered portaining to 9/11, and CIA drug dealing.  http://www.copvcia.com

Yes, reformist liberals, and advocates of "voting" are severely misinformed, and in denial about how corrupt the system really is. But they are all potential anarchists, and don't forget it. I actually have a lot of faith in the so called "right wing" militia types and Liberatarians to eventually become wise to anarchist principals. Hopefully not before the reformist liberals.

For more about anarchism, and great downloadable anarchist music check out my site:


A Test for Greg Palast 18.Jun.2002 04:37

not a liberal

Ask Palast whether he believes the US Government either had foreknowledge of or even directed the 9-11 attacks.

When you get your answer, you will find out what he really stands for.

I would wager that he will fall closer to the David Corn/Norman Solomon line about all the assertions of US foreknowledge/involvement as "conspiracy theory."

Either that or will we try to limit the issue simply to the Bush Regime--and carefully ignore the role of the Democratic Party and the American system in general in supporting and/or covering for the Republican regime.

Palast is a liberal. He ultimately believes in all the lies about American "demcoracy and freedom." Like most liberals, his agenda is to reform the system in order to return it back to its "original" democratic nature, which has supposedly been corrupted by those corporations or the rich or whomever. This is essentially the Indymedia propaganda line. And like Indymedia, what Palast doesn't want to face is the fact that America has never had anything to do with Democracy--and never will. In fact, you could say that American democracy is one of the greatest frauds ever conceived.

The fact the Bush stole the election is nothing new. John Kennedy stole the election in 1960, with the help of Richard Daley and his Chicago Machine. Ask Palast about Kennedy's stolen election, and see if he doesn't dance around the issue or try to sweep it under the rig because "it happened a long time ago."

As for all you "anarchists" with your anti-authoritarian, anti-statist rhetoric--you ain't much better than the Liberals. Beneath all your "radical" rhetoric, you anarchists are essentially not that much different from the "Rugged Individualist" political ideology which people from Ronald Reagan to the Militia movement claim to espouse. That's why one poster is hoping that the Right Wing Milita movement and Libertarians will jump on the anarchist bandwagon?!

To Not A Liberal 18.Jun.2002 14:16

David Ney shiitakemushroom@hotmail.com

As soon as all of those Liberatarians realize that petty reforms do nothing to actually CHANGE the system, they will inevitably seek a more radical movement.

The more the elites take away, the more people will cry out for change. The more discrepancies between the wages of the rich and poor, the more anti-capitalists will emerge. It is natural. Every time the super rich control too much, the people rise up to take them down.

And as far as the militia types, at least many of them realize just how corrupt the system is. Most of them are wise to the fact that the MAJOR decisions that affect all of our lives are made by a handful of billionaires who were never elected by anyone!

You see, I am open minded, and I embrace all people. The anarchist movement is not an exlusive club. I try to help people to realize that they are inherently anti-state, because we are all animals, and we all have instincts. Statists defy nature constantly. THERE IS ORDER IN THE WORLD, HUMANS HAVE PLUNGED THEMSELVES INTO CHAOS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM BELIEVE IN A "STATE", WHICH RULES THEM.

People need to take responsibility for their own lives, and stop using the government as a babysitter. These "right wing" groups are misguided, but they are on the right track. I see them as important allies, despite our differences on specific issues.

Besides, what is your solution? Are YOU going to try to create another "state" after the current one falls.

It's not a question of "if", only "when".

PEACE!!!


To David Ney 18.Jun.2002 17:31

not a liberal

David Ney, you are a typical arrogant American who deludes himself into thinking that his particular American set of grievances (and solutions) are applicable to the rest of the world.

When you and other Western "anarchists" run your mouth about dissolving "the State" what you fail to understand is that fact that all states are not equivalent. In the Third World, dissolving the "State" would be worst thing that you could do, as it would play right into the hands of American and other Western Imperialists who see the "State" as an obstacle to both their capitalist free market reforms and their agenda of Imperial conquest and global domination.

If you want to destroy the *Western Imperialist State,* go right ahead. I think most people outside of the West would celebrate this development. If you want to impose this solution on the Developing World, however, you and other Imperial anarchists had better think again.

>"You see, I am open minded, and I embrace all people. The anarchist movement is not an exlusive club. I try to help people to realize that they are inherently anti-state, because we are all animals, and we all have instincts. Statists defy nature constantly. THERE IS ORDER IN THE WORLD, HUMANS HAVE PLUNGED THEMSELVES INTO CHAOS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM BELIEVE IN A "STATE", WHICH RULES THEM."
>

Your rhetoric sounds like a mixture of New Age claptrap and nonsenical Anarchist posturing. You embrace all people? How about the Ku Klux Klan? How about George W. Bush? How about the American Military? Do also embarce these people as well?

"People need to take responsibility for their own lives, and stop using the government as a babysitter. These "right wing" groups are misguided, but they are on the right track. I see them as important allies, despite our differences on specific issues."

The Right Wing groups are not only misguided they are on the Wrong Track. The militia movement, "Patriot orgnizations" and other Right Wingers are about one thing: American Nationalism. And American nationalism is always reactionary, always wrong. For the reason that the USA is a global empire, one which is responsible for the vast majority of suffering on this planet.

And the reason why you and other anarchists see these Right Wingers as "important allies" is precisely because there is not that much difference between you. When push comes to shove, mainstream American nationalists always show their true colors, and always stick together to advance their common (predatory) self-interest-- a self-interest that is poison to the rest of the world.

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"Besides, what is your solution? Are YOU going to try to create another "state" after the current one falls."
>

My solution for America and the Western World is to do the rest of humanity a favor destroy the American Empire itself--not just the American "State"--as the first step towards bringing an end to Western hegemony and Western exploitation of the planet in general. That of course would mean that all you people in the First World would have to give up your First World privileges, wealth, and power which you take as a birthright.

Now do you think you that these Right Wing groups or Western anarchists are down with that?

My rebuttal 18.Jun.2002 20:21

David Ney shiitakemushroom@hotmail.com

Not A Liberal,

First off, I think your response to my post is very intelligent, and we actually agree on the solution (to the problem of the amerikan empire, and western civilization in general).

We are living in a very unique point in world history, and I can tell you quite sincerley that I approach politics from a global perspective, and not just an "amerikan" one. Sure, I was born and raised within the invisible borders of this land people refer to as "the united states of amerika", and raised in the tradional way that any christian white kid living in Carson City, nevada could be raised, but I have changed a lot since then, and I fully understand what kind of monster we are up against. I indoctrinated from birth, and every day is a constant struggle to deprogram myself.

There are 2 forms of power which any true anarchist should be opposed to: state power, and corporate power. Both were creations of western civilization. What we are seeing unfold in front of our eyes is a handful of elitist rich men making the largest power grab in history, seeking global domination, thru corporate power. They use the US government and various others (European countries, Japan, ect.) as tools to transfer the power. Of course they want 3rd world governments out of power, so that they can dominate completely. The WTO, IMF, World Bank are ensuring this transfer of power.

So, given the choice to live under any government in the world, or a one-world corporate feudalist system, I would say NEITHER! I am opposed to both.

Now I will analyze your post using line-by-line refutation:

"David Ney, you are a typical arrogant American who deludes himself into thinking that his particular American set of grievances (and solutions) are applicable to the rest of the world."

No, I don't. I am a creature of the universe. I am thinking realistically about the global situation.

"When you and other Western "anarchists" run your mouth about dissolving "the State" what you fail to understand is that fact that all states are not equivalent. In the Third World, dissolving the "State" would be worst thing that you could do, as it would play right into the hands of American and other Western Imperialists who see the "State" as an obstacle to both their capitalist free market reforms and their agenda of Imperial conquest and global domination."

As stated above, I agree that dissolving regional nation states in the third world is imperative for the corporate neo-feudalists. I am very against both the OPRESSIVE regimes which claim to have power over the people of third world countries and the corporate systems who wish to dominate the same people (and pretty much already are!) The suffering people of the "developing nations" ARE suffering because of the policies of the greedy power mongers who run their perspective governments. People in government do not care about the population they control. They see them as expendable resources. Government leaders get off on their power, and it corrupts. I don't care how pure a person's intentions supposedly are when getting involved with government, they cannot create positive change in any major way from within the system. "Developing nations" could benefit from retaining their culture, which, in areas like Africa is very nature based. The term "developing" is by western standards. They do not need to "develop" because their way of life has sustained them for millions of years. Western imperialists come in, pillage the land, steal their resources, AND THE DO IT ALL WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT (WHO GET A PIECE OF THE PIE, OF COURSE) An example of this are various South amerikan countries (namely COLUMBIA), where the corrupt government leaders end up making deals with the CIA so that they too can reap the bountiful profits from COCAINE AND OTHER ILLICIT DRUG SALES. They don't care about their people, all they care about is their goddamn bank accounts.

"If you want to destroy the *Western Imperialist State,* go right ahead. I think most people outside of the West would celebrate this development. If you want to impose this solution on the Developing World, however, you and other Imperial anarchists had better think again."

I don't have to worry about imposing a solution on the "developing world", the people will come to a conclusion on their own! I live in Idaho (in the US), and I focus primarily on the destruction of the WESTERN IMPERIALIST STATE, not only because it is the current regime that tries to CONTROL ME PERSONALLY, but also because I realize how much of a devastating effect it has had on the rest of the world. Yes, the MAJORITY of the world population will be celebrating when the empire GOES DOWN IN FLAMES, and I will be amongst them. But rEvolution is a WORLDWIDE phenomenon, not just a western one. I advocate a hell of a lot more than just destruction of the current incarnation of political systems, I advocate destruction of a DESTRUCTIVE MINDSET! We (westerners) are the ones who are going to have to do the most soul searching, and changing. The rest of the world is already headed in the right direction. As soon as the people of the "developing" world realize that government power is illegitimate, and revert back to their TRIBAL ROOTS (which is not something I am wishing to "impose" it is something that will inevitably occur!), then there will be no more "nation states". And by the way the term "imperial anarchists" is an oximoron.

"Your rhetoric sounds like a mixture of New Age claptrap and nonsenical Anarchist posturing. You embrace all people? How about the Ku Klux Klan? How about George W. Bush? How about the American Military? Do also embarce these people as well?"

Your words do not make me feel bad, which is your intent. It may seem nonsensical from your perspective, but to me it makes perfect sense. I am writing all of this in an attempt to help you better understand my perspective. Yes, I do embrace all people. As much as I despise groups like the KKK and FASCIST MURDERERS like dubya, if they came to me and wanted to know anything about the anarchist movement, I would tell them whatever they wanted to know. I would have quite a few things to say to them as well. I am the type of person who is not afraid to tell someone exactly what I think of them. These people would be no exception. As far as the US military goes, I actually have close friends in the military, who I try to persuede into GETTING THE HELL OUT every time I see them. I have been friends with them for a long time, and it makes me angry to see them in the horrid institution. What you must realize about most recruits is that they were essentially bribed by the state. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT I KNOW IN THE MILITARY are there because they needed the money to go to college. Many of them are very radical politically. I still fear that they will die doing what they are doing, and I will be sad if that day comes.

"The Right Wing groups are not only misguided they are on the Wrong Track. The militia movement, "Patriot orgnizations" and other Right Wingers are about one thing: American Nationalism. And American nationalism is always reactionary, always wrong. For the reason that the USA is a global empire, one which is responsible for the vast majority of suffering on this planet."

Agreed. Maybe I should elaborate. I don't agree with them on the subject of nationalism. Their pathetic allegience to the US government is sickening, considering the history of it. It has never been about equality, and has never had noble goals. Slavery, and the genocide of MILLIONS of natives are inexcusable blemishes on the US's record. We all have blood on our hands. But I do believe people can change. I did. So I embrace the milita people, and offer them a more radical solution: anarchy. Hiding in bunkers in the woods, stocking up on guns is not going to bring about rEvolution.

"And the reason why you and other anarchists see these Right Wingers as "important allies" is precisely because there is not that much difference between you. When push comes to shove, mainstream American nationalists always show their true colors, and always stick together to advance their common (predatory) self-interest-- a self-interest that is poison to the rest of the world."

Agreed. Once again, I will elaborate. I see them as POTENTIAL IMPORTANT ALLIES. I believe they are probably closer to understanding anarchy than the consumerist masses. And by the way, I do not speak for other anarchists, only myself.

"My solution for America and the Western World is to do the rest of humanity a favor destroy the American Empire itself--not just the American "State"--as the first step towards bringing an end to Western hegemony and Western exploitation of the planet in general. That of course would mean that all you people in the First World would have to give up your First World privileges, wealth, and power which you take as a birthright."

Right on! We are in agreement once again. I am willing to give every comfort of living in this country up, for REAL REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE. I say "bring it on!" I am tired of this culture (or should I say "non-culture") This is a noble solution and I commend you. Just know, nation states ANYWHERE are a product of western civilization, and people were a lot better off before their inception.

"Now do you think you that these Right Wing groups or Western anarchists are down with that?"

Right wing groups, no. Anarchists, yes. But here again, I do not speak for all anarchists. I for one, am an anarchist who understands why the anarchist movement exists. It's roots are in rebellion against western governments. We never had a problem that needed anarchy as a solution until western civilization came along.

I don't think that you understand the anarchist philosophy at all. Anarchy is not an alternative system, anarchy is ANTI-SYSTEM. Power is illegitimate, whether it's state power, or one person's power over another. I actually wrote a song about this called "Power Game (Power Struggle", which you can download off of my webpage, along with 46 other songs. Here's the lyrics:

You got to be on the defense
In the power game
If someone exerts power over you
Fuck the power game

He's trying to be
More powerful than me
Using manipulative language
To scare me
It works sometimes
Then I figure it out
I say "fuck it"
This fucking powe r bout
Don't be a victim
Of the war that's waged in so many heads
It's just a power struggle
That some only conquer, but nobody "wins"
A policeman
Ain't above you
He's just a human
In the bubble of power
They always scare me
With their guns
And that's the reason why
I never run
In England
They've just got sticks
And I can get away
From those pricks
And if I don't
At least I'll know
That I won't die
I'll just get clubbed in the head

He was nicer
Before he went off
And joined the army
Now he is a fascist
That's what they do to you
They suck your mind out
They turn you into
An authoritarian
It's not just them, though
It's all society
Playing power games
And fighting
"This is mine", "No that's mine"
"I saw it first"
How can you all be
So fucking blind?

No one owns you
Don't have allegience
You're not a robot
You're a living breathing creature
Gotta reject control
In general
Don't succumb to power
Sweet individual
Cuz it makes me sad
When you cover your face
And you censor your speech
Cuz of what someone m ight think
And you make me sad
When you're looking sadder
Cuz someone's playing the power game
Higher than you on their ladder
You gotta free your mind
Get into your own groove
Dance all night
And feel good!

PEACE!!!

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