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OR Judge Refuses Constitutional Oath

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OR Judge Refuses Constitutional
Oath - Arrests Challenging Citizens
From A Voice For Children
 avoice@mtangel.net
2-21-2

PORTLAND - In a ninety minute stand off, Oregon activist Lon Mabon and his wife Bonnie confronted Multnomah County "judge" RONALD CINNIGER about the fact that Cinniger has not sworn the same oath as mandated in the Oregon Constitution in order to be a lawful judge or to proceed against Mabons.

An overflow crowd of supporters were kept in the hallway, as a packed courtroom watched Cinniger and Mabons discuss the challenges before the court. The following is from personal notes taken at the trial today.

The thirteen or more media representatives were seated in the jury box in the crowded courtroom. In the crowd were Lons father Myron Mabon, supporters Lou Beres, with the Oregon Christian Coalition; Bob Eckstrom, director of the Constitution Party of Oregon; Paul DeParrie, long time advocate and Right to Life spokesman; Milt Mitcheck, Constitutional Researcher and Court Advocate; William Mayhar, Constitutional Scholar and advocate; Roger Weidner, Republican Governor candidate, Republican Party; Jesse Lott, political advocate and courtwatcher; Michael Marsh, Salem TV producer; Yvonne Heinrichs, peoples rights advocate, and many more.

Upon entering the courtroom, Cinniger ordered that all beepers be shut down and that if anyone spoke in the courtroom besides the parties they would be removed. Cinniger announced the case, "Stauffer v OCA, Scott Lively, OCA Educational Foundation, and OCA, Inc. Plaintiff CATHERINE STAUFFER and representative BRENT FOSTER were present at the table, and Cinniger acknowledged that Lon and Bonnie Mabon were present for the Record.

Mabons stayed behind the bar in the court, appearing by "special appearance" Sui Juris, retaining their own Rights and without representation and told the court on the Record that they were challenging the jurisdiction of the court, and did not want to enter into a false or fictitious jurisdiction. Lon tried to speak but Cinninger talked over him. Lon stated that he expected the judge to uphold his rights in the courtroom, and Cinniger told Mabons that they would not be recognized unless they came into the bar.

Bonnie Mabon stated that they were insisting on a court that "guarantees my rights", and was ignored by Cinniger.

Attorney Foster stated that they had been trying to collect a judgement for nine years, that on November 14 there had been a judgement debtor hearing, and again on November 26, and that Mabons did not appear in either of those hearings. The attorney described how a judge Ellis had ordered a December hearing for contempt for the failure to appear at the previous hearing.

Foster stated that on the December 12 court date the case had been moved to federal court ( and was remanded the same day !). The attorney stated that the hearing was rescheduled for February 7, 2002, that there had been an error in time and then was rescheduled for today.

Cinniger asked Lon and Bonnie repeatedly to cross the bar to "respond" to the court, which Mabons refused to do. Cinniger had Governor candidate Roger Weidner removed when Weidner tried to suggest to Mabon to cross the bar and make the Record against the judge for violating Mabons rights.

Lon Mabon again told the court that he would be glad to participate if Cinniger would sign a simple contract that stated that Mabons rights would be upheld in the courtroom and that Cinniger in fact was a lawful judge. Cinniger replied "I TAKE IT YOU WILL NOT PARTICIPATE", ignoring Mabons responses.

Cinniger turned to attorney Foster, and stated "they have challenged the jurisdiction of the court. What is your response to this?" The attorney stated "we think they are frivolous, this has been ruled on by you...."; Cinniger interrupted the attorney and said " NO I HAVE NOT RULED ON THIS OATH CHALLENGE. I ASKED YOU TO RESPOND WHY THE NAMED DEFENDANTS SHOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT - THEY HAVE CHALLENGED THE JURISDICTION".

Attorney Foster stated "that the court has ample jurisdiction under Oregon Revised Statutes 33.015, 33.025, to issue contempt is clear". The attorney stated "the challenge to the oath is not an issue that has merit".

Mabon stated "your intent to uphold my rights faithfully and impartially". Mabon asked again "did you take an oath?" Cinniger kept ignoring Mabon.

Cinniger asked the bar representative "are you aware that the oath is missing some words?" The attorney said "the court feels the oath is appropriate. Cinniger said "it is appropriate for a litigant to challenge the jurisdiction or authority of an individual acting as a judge.... I think it is NOT frivolous.... it IS an issue. Comparing the oaths, I found another way to look at it."

Mabon kept trying to say CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, CINNIGER, CONSTITUTIONAL LAW !!!, but Cinniger kept ignoring Mabons accurate responses.

Cinniger said "if it even applies".

Mabon said "Taswell v Smith states ALL circuit judges MUST take the original Constitutional oath. Cinniger stated that he had decided that the false oath was OK, and told the bar representative "I believe Ms Stauffer that the challenge is to be denied", and continued to proceed against Mabons, refusing to allow any redress on the merits or the lawfulness of his acts.

Lon Mabon said "twelve different times we have challenged this jurisdiction. As you even stated, a legitimate challenge. Mabon said "the court has to appreciate our reluctance to proceed without a contract. I want you to sign my contract before these people and the press".

Again Cinniger said "I take that to be you refuse to cooperate". Cinniger said "the law provides for a way for disputes to be resolved" ..... "when a decision is made" ......(Lon said "IF THEY ARE A QUALIFIED JUDGE" WITH A CONSTITUTIONAL OATH") Cinniger continued "requires the representatives to come to court (Lon stated "WHEN YOU ARE UNDER OATH I WILL")...

Cinniger said that the court has the power of contempt to force people to "remedy the situation" (even though civil judgements are not jailable offenses and jail cannot be a penalty in a civil case !)

Cinniger stated "in this case the Plaintiff is asking the court to hold two citizens in contempt as directors of the corporation to apear at a judgement debtor hearing. The Corporation could have appeared by other persons. Plaintiff has made a showing that the corporate entitities and two individuals did not appear. A remedy includes confinement. Before we get to that, this hearing is to show why they should not be held in contempt. Plaintiff's attorneys have asked for jail as punishment or to induce payment to comply - until Mabons agree to participate or up to 6 months."

Cinnniger then told Mabons about their right to an attorney since they were "unrepresented". Mabons are Sui Juris before the court and do not waiver their rights over to any bar member "representative", but claim their Inherent rights, demanding a constitutional court.

Lon stated "MY RIGHTS ARE NOT GUARANTEED IN THIS COURT".

Cinniger asked attorney Foster "what remedy is the Plaintiff seeking? Foster replied "all is designed to encourage and require Mabons to pay the judgement. We are seeking confinement until they submit to a judgement debtor hearing. $500.00 $$ a day sanctions against each of them, as well in the courts power. Lon as director, Bonnie as Secretary/Treasurer, control both of the (corporate) entities. They are high managerial agents. ORS 33.025 (3), 33.025 (d). They have failed to recognize the jurisdiction of the court. Hold them jointly and severally liable for attorney fees and time specific order to pay - we have no belief they intend to pay. Original judgement 30,000, now with interest and attorneys fees federal and state, more than $40,000.00."

Attorney Foster continued "We want a $500.00 sanction on every pleading or motion filed by Mabons and found to be frivolous. We want the court to strike all future motions and to strike all answers filed and that are frivolous in this case".

Lon spoke "you are acting under an amended Article VII, NOT the lawful constitutional Article VII, original, the lawful jurisdiction I have claimed".

Cinniger stated "there are two kinds of persons. Here today we have a Plaintiff, two citizens, corporate entity, and the citizens not created by law, but as individuals. It is appropriate for the court to consider when the corporate citizen is created, the offices have responsibility to the corporation. Like you can't create children without responsibility to them. A fiduciary interest. Corporate interest is inconsistent to individual interest. A citizen who represents a corporate body has a responsbility."

Bonnie Mabon stated "How can you say the issues are an issue but not in this court' .... but I ruled against it' ...I don't think the issues are frivolous." Mabon stated "if they have merit don't you have to abide by your oath?"

An unidentified attorney appeared before the court Amicus Curiae, and asked for time to brief the case. Cinniger denied the attorney request, saying it was "untimely".

Cinniger proceeded to state that he found Mabons to be in contempt "beyond a reasonable doubt", that they had not appeared nor had the corporate entities appeared. Attorney Foster reminded Cinniger that the Mabons "willfully" refused to comply, and Cinniger used the word "willfully" in his finding.

Cinniger stated that he did not believe that Mabons would comply with a disposition (compelled contract and admission of guilt), and so ordered Mabons to jail, Lon immediately from the courtroom, Bonnie ten days from now (March 1, 2002). Cinniger ordered the sanctions of $500.00 a day each, on one corporate name until the amount of the original debt is paid. Then Cinniger stated that on the second corporate name the sanctions would be in place until double the original amount was paid. Mabon told Cinniger that that particular corporate entity had been closed for ten years. It was unclear to observers exactly whether Cinniger changed that order or not. Cinniger told attorney Foster that "all other sanctions I am denying," except attorney fees.

Cinniger stated "I find no alternative Mrs Mabon, also in contempt, and impose six month sentence in jail, suspended for ten days.

The front row of the courtroom was cleared and Lon Mabon was led from the courtroom in handcuffs before a crowded roomfull of angry courtwatchers.

As Cinniger was moving to arrest Lon in the courtroom, courtwatcher William Mayhar rose and left the room, stating loudly on the Record to the court "I am not going to sit here and watch any more of this treason" and left the room.

As Mayhar left, the judge ordered the sheriffs to remove Milt Mitcheck, researcher and advocate, who affirmed that the judge had no oath to proceed, and had stated so.

After Mitcheck was "escorted" out, Wilbur Gaston, founder of A Voice For Children, rose and on the Record to the judge stated "I charge YOU with treason and misprison of felony" for your acts.* Gaston was assaulted in the hallway by Sheriffs McHenny and Greathouse, as he was leaving, who told Gaston he had to leave the building and was being "evicted". The sheriffs attempted to force Gaston to allow his picture to be taken, yet said he was "not" arrested. Gaston told the sheriffs in no uncertain terms that if they were going to take his picture they were going to arrest him or he was leaving now. And Gaston left without the Sheriffs following on their threats.

Courtwatchers reported that the sheriffs were confronted after Gaston charged the judge, to arrest Cinniger. The courtwatchers asked the Sheriffs how they were protecting a man who refused to take his lawful oath, and that the sheriffs had just seen this confirmed for themselves. The Sheriffs told the courtwatchers that they were unsure what to do and said possibly after the hearing they would be arresting Cinniger. (The paperwork to arrest Cinniger had been served on Sheriff Dan Noelle by process server yesterday to arrest Cinniger for treason; additional paperwork moving for prosecution and sanctions is being filed at this time.)

In the courtroom, after Mabon was led away, courtwatchers told the press DID YOU SEE THAT THE JUDGE REFUSED TO TAKE HIS OATH? YOU SAW IT FOR YOURSELF NOW - THIS IS TREASON AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL."

The sheriff directing the courtroom security said "pretty soon what you are doing will be criminal" When asked who was "we" and what he meant, he replied "your common law courts". The courtwatchers assured him that when he is on trial for committing unlawfull acts against the citizens, and that it is NOT "just doing my job", and accountability is reached, and SOMEONE HAS TO ANSWER, then he will enjoy the same kind of court, a rendering, where he will have no rights and no lawful judge and no court will go to the lawfulness of the court, the bar member judges and attorneys or the violations of lawful process.

The courtwatchers assured the sheriffs that their families are as vulnerable as the rest of the "people" to these rights violations, fraud, extortion and racketeering being openly operated now in Oregon.

The STATE OF OREGON corporate entity, bar representative had no defense today in court on the Record that the judges in Oregon have NO OATH - NO BOND - NO CONTRACT with the constitutionally sovereign Oregonians. NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER.

When Cinnigar told Attorney Foster "I want you to respond to this" in court that means RESPONSE ..... as in - GIVE ME THE SUPPORTING ARGUMENTS FOR THIS NOW TO DEFEND MYSELF WHILE I AM HANGING OUT HERE AND EVERYONE KNOWS THE OATH I AM UNDER IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.

AND, JUST AS IN THE SENATE HEARINGS LAST YEAR ON THE FRAUD OF THE AMENDED VII COURTS, THE COURT/BAR/STATE HAD NO DEFENSE. The attorney and Cinniger discussed that this issue DOES have merit, IS important, is NOT FRIVOLOUS, and did not allow the "vexatious litigant" filing against Mabons to stop them from ever defending themselves again in any court in America, federally and state.

The false oath issue has been openly reported and admitted by Oregon Supreme Court Chief Justice Wallace Carson, new information at this time revealing more knowlege of the false oaths and that the courts have known for twenty years that they were taking color of law "oaths", not binding to the constitutional rights of the sovereign people. That is how they violate every Inherent Right provided in the Bill of Rights, and as in todays hearing, the attorney said they were "upholding the law" and making the Mabons "follow the law".

The truth is, as is so clearly revealed in this case and in our own, that the legislature are the perpetrators of the extreme process violations in the non constitutional courts. This is the justice 2020, the new rules where the bar members are ALLOWED to conduct malicious prosecutions and lie, cheat and steal (just passed last month !) But you go to jail. Like Lon and Bonnie. And Will and I next week, next Thursday, if the STATE has its way with us again (sixth sham jury trial in more than five years now !!!)

So everyone sees the REAL PICTURE is they willl NOT go to the lawfulness of what they are doing.... it is always "that has been heard before, we are not going to talk about what happened before, and deny all evidence of injury or state liability. They are creating a class immune from prosecution, are doing this NOW, where these pervert profiteers are exploiting the people and our children by force, and NO ONE WILL ANSWER. The governor has been subpoaened to our trial, and once again will not appear, even though he IS the "STATE" of Oregon face.

There is no human so far who is accountable. The feds are moving in Oregon now and no one is stopping them. The prostitutes to the corporate state act in the interest of the corporate state.

You heard it yourself in this article Cinniger trying to compare a corporation to having a child, and fiduciary interest. They are NOT acting in your "interest" and "interest" only means how much money they make. Enron is a "department" of this fraud, the whole government is the "criminal enterprise for profit", the banks, title companies insurance, etc are all the same money going aroung and around (or illusion of money !) OPERATING THROUGH THE COURTS WHO ARE PROTECTING THE FRAUD......

SYSTEMIC colluding and conducting FRAUD against the people no level of law or court at any level .... the federal takeover and global agenda ..... in Oregon the Pioneer police State...... Enron broke open in Oregon after being exposed in the Western Electric grab, stealing the Klamath property, among other exploitations..... watch Capitol Investments in Oregon next and in Washington and New York.... they are liquidating all their assets now, our children, our homes, our lives..... we are slaves in their new non constitutional world ..... only "sustainable" according to what we "contribute" to the "system", in the "interest"/money for the corporate socialist state.

PANDORAS BOX HAS BEEN OPENED and the corruption is systemic. Mabons are standing firm in the TRUTH, have never committed any crime against anyone, and are even "charged" and in jail for an "unarrestable" offence. We PRAY that people see how YOU ARE NEXT as this "outreach" claw grasps our freedom - it already proceeds as though it owns our children and property, and as Mabons are so clearly exemplifying, we have at this time only TYRANNY and NO REDRESS at any level of court, and in fact NO lawful court, outside of the sovereign court we held in Marion County on June 20, 2001, a court of Law and credible evidence.

THIS IS SERIOUS FOLKS ..... EVERYONE BETTER PAY ATTENTION AND TELL EACH OTHER WHAT IS GOING ON AND DO IT FAST ...... THE FEDS ARE MOVING AT THIS TIME IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM, THE COLLUSION LIKE RABID DOGS, MULTI JUDICIAL SCHEMES AT EVERY LEVEL, COVER UP AND FRAUD.

IT WILL ALL END WHEN WE CAN GET ONE ANSWER, PROSECUTION AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND COURTS WITH LAWFUL OATHS TO PROTECT US.

THESE SAME UNLAWFUL OATHS APPLY TO LEGISLATORS, WHOSE OATHS ARE NOTARIZED BY OTHER FALSE OATH JUDGES, AND GOVERNOR KITZHABER SIGNED HIS FALSE OATH ON THE TALMUD, THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN SLAVE CHATTEL CODE, NOW CALLED THE U.C.C., THE "BIBLE" OF THE CULT OF THE NEW CORPORATE SOCIALIST STATE, WITH WHOM WE HAVE SLAVE STATUS AS "US CITIZENS" WHICH WE ARE NOT. WE ARE SOVEREIGN STATE CITIZENS IN A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. GUARANTEED THESE RIGHTS UN A LIEN ABLE.

Mabons excercised their birthright, Inherent Constitutionally protected Rights today in the courtroom. Tonight it is seen widely on the news that the court did NOT ANSWER THE PEOPLE.

WE ASK - WOULD NOT A JUDGE OF INTEGRITY BE PROUD TO STAND AND SAY YES - OF COURSE I HAVE TAKEN MY CONSTITUTIONAL OATH, AS I AM BONDED AND SWORN", but in fact, they have been playing another game in there for a long time. Chief Justice Wallace Carson told a group of courtwatchers in private one day "yes - I am a public servant and proud of it", yet, the courts recently taken "new" oaths are as big a fraud as before.....still not the right words, not to say of all the VOID decisions that have to be dealt with, and the people injured and in jail who have committed no crime ..... like Mabons and ourselves and you next........ NO judge is yet under the lawful oath in Oregon.

TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN OREGON TODAY.

Pamela Gaston, A Voice For Children, Fifth Amendment Coalition

*(Gaston and the Citizens in Marion County arrested "judge" Fred Avera on September 30, l999, for Treason and Misprison of Felony for the criminal acts comitted by Avera and others against Gastons minor child. She has been severally abused by the state and being held now more than six years as a political prisoner while the courts protect each other in blatant collusion. This ongoing retaliation is continuing next Thursday, attack after attack for Gastons whistleblowing on black market child and pornography being operated and protected in the Oregon child services, as well as systemic fraud and racketeering. The articles on this and the text are on our website www.avoiceforchildren.com)



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Lon Mabon--Freedom Fighter? NOT!! 21.Feb.2002 17:23

an organizer

Whatever!!

This cracks me up--Lon Mabon is a self-pronounced bigot, and now he's in jail!!

Not that I'm a big fan of the "justice" system, but it warms the heart to hear that the head of the right-wing, anti-gay Oregon Citizen's Alliance got thrown in the slammer.

This post should be treated like posts from Volksfront--as an official post from a hate group.

Great argument for anarchy! 21.Feb.2002 17:58

Friend Coyote

I'd like to see wing-nut yahoos like this one advocate that all the rapists, muderers, and commiters of assualt that have been put away by Oregon judges be set free because they don't like the version of the judicial oath that was taken.

I hope Lonnie-boy makes some very special friends in jail. Shows just how much respect for the law that assholes like Mabon and the jackass who posted this article really have: not much unless they can warp it and use it to further their own godless and evil agenda.

Have your goons assault a woman...go to jail! 21.Feb.2002 22:34

benny hinn

Is this the same Lon who didn't have a problem with the courts UNTIL HE LOST!!!

Pay the money you deadbeat. During my dinner I'll think about your hunger strike and feel sad for you.

Avon Calling ..... 22.Feb.2002 12:55

LON

Can someone please send me some Soap-On-A-Rope.Hurry!

AVON CALLING 22.Feb.2002 15:57

Lon Mabon

Please send me some Soap-On-A-Rope!Hurry!

What a tragedy (yeah, right) 22.Feb.2002 19:38

Skullhunter

Lemme get this straight: Lon Mabon, a man that has continually campaigned to curtail the civil rights (yes, CIVIL, not "special", all you Lon-boosters) of gay, lesbian, bi and transgender Oregonians is suddenly supposed to be the poster boy for our dwindling civil rights? For over 20 years this guy has been trying to stomp all over the rights of those he doesn't agree with, and now that his pathetic attempts to avoid paying a rightful judgement against him have failed, we're expected to swallow this right-wing conspiratorial nonsense about a shadowy socialist state seeking to persecute fine upstanding Americans like the Mabons. All this does is underscore the fallacy that all of us liberal-minded folks can't afford to subscribe to in the current political climate; and that fallacy is that we have any common cause with people like the Mabons, or anyone from the fringe right. Yes, some of the ultra-right militia types are beginning to chafe at some of the restrictions being placed upon our freedoms, but they do so without the understanding (or despite it) that they have nothing to fear from an administration that champions the same causes they do. There will be no Wacos under AG Ashcroft, environmental restrictions are being rolled back, religion is worming its way back into government and "commie pinko hippie activists" like most of us here are close to being designated as terrorists. I've said it before here,we stand to gain nothing by aligning with them. These are people that would happily see us dead or imprisoned in better times. In contention with the government, we'd be glorified cannon fodder at best, at worst we'd be sold out at the first available opportunity. If you want to know what the role of the militia movement would be should things really get bad in this country, take a look at the AUC in Colombia. Feel insecure, don't know who to turn to if it comes down to having to physically defend yourself? Then I suggest you either learn how, or find someone in your own community who's trained and willing. Aligning with the extreme right for defense is like the sheep aligning with the farmer for defense against the wolf. The sheep's still going to get eaten, the only difference is the time frame, and whether or not it gets served up on a plate with all the trimmings.

Judges unlawful oathes 25.Feb.2002 18:08

American gal

It saddens but does not surprise me of the comments I have read here.I will venture to say most who commented are gay, homosexual,and only care about their own agenda. When will more good country loving, God fearing Americans get involved in what has happend and what is happening in this great country of our's. Our prisons are filled to capacty and hundreds more are to be built, Why? Because nearly every thing we do or don't do is against the law. If our judges were taking their mandatory constutional oaths they would not be able to circumvent our constution and warehouse all these people for frivoulous actions. This has been going on for 20 yrs right under WE the Peoples noses and yes if any of you would like to research the fraud that has taken over our judicial system, (thank God for the internet) can do so. You could be thrown in jail next and Mabons position wouldn't be so humorous to you. This oath issue should be taken as serious as the trade center as it was perpatrated to strip us of all our right's. We are no more than chattle to the government. Mabons should be honored for uncovering this incredable fraud. Knowledge is power.

BEEN THERE, DONE THAT- IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA TOO ! 26.Feb.2004 19:42

Kim Laskowsky annie21@chilitech.net

Here in Pennsylvania we have the same problem. The judges here I have pinned to the wall about their so called Oaths of office. I have questioned them to their face in full courtrooms about whether they OBEY their Oath of Office. None of the judges could answer yes. They him haw around, look under their bench, get nervous, start rubbing their hands, then change the subject ! Everytime they see me in court they get nervous & bite their nails. Why ??? Cause they know they are not going to abide by their oath of office. I ask them this everytime I'm in court, they know I'm onto them. I have made records and have witnesses. I have proof on record that they have condoned thieft of personal property, aided and abetted conversion of personal property to real property w/out due process, condone to attorneys committing perjury, condoned fraud upon the court by using a hearing officer who is not even a licensed attorney but is only a caseworker for that county's Childrens Services to kidnap peoples children, have committed people for mental evaluations w/out a hearing nor filing the proper forms, have ordered people to be drugged in those places w/out a doctors report, have not abided to the statutes & laws of Pa. created by the legislature creating a separation of powers, etc.... So where does it all end ?? If we go against them they jail us, try to make us look like we are crazy, just to protect themselves from being discovered and thrown in jail for the crimes they are committing before our very eyes. PEOPLE MUST WAKE UP ! Instead of running from a friend who has trouble in the court system, it would be more helpful if you just attended the court proceeding, witness the crimes the judge is committing, knowledge is a powerful thing and if you can make a standing then do so, remember the judges are our public servants to protect us and our rights, not to take away our rights. This goes for attorneys also, don't let them talk you into taking your money so you have no rights to speak in court. It is a game the lawyers & judges are playing. They preplayed your case out before it even gets into the court, that's how they work and the process happens so fast you'll never see how they actually got away w/ it all. If you represent yourself, you can always ask the judge to explain what certain words are or mean or for the judge to repeat himself and explain what he is talking about, that's his real job, to see that you understand the process, its up to you to know your rights and defend them or you will lose them w/out knowing what you really lost. Anybody can go to a law library and read the court rules, nothing more than a recipe to follow but most important its the judges and lawyers that can be held accountable for not following the rules, that's where you can help by knowing the rules and make sure they adhere to them. I will prevail here in Pa. as I have created enough on record to put these judges in jail, they know I'm coming after them and I don't quit until I see actual justice !!!

P.O. Box 9, Picture Rocks, Pennsylvania 17762

You need a better education than they gave you in their government schools. 15.May.2005 18:52

Madd Maxx maddmaxx46323@comcast.net

Of course most of you do not understand the importance of this argument and the Oath taken by judges. It does make perfect sense if you understand law. READ THE FINDINGS OF THE SUPREME COURT IN OREGON IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE ARTICLE! Most attorneys didn't learn about it either. Also, Sui Juris - look it up.