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Ghandi vs. Jefferson

I have found myself coming to some rather disturbing conclusions when contemplating the state of our country and the direction in which it seems to be heading.
I have found myself coming to some rather disturbing conclusions when contemplating the state of our country and the direction in which it seems to be heading. Since 9-11 we have seen a consolidation of power in the executive brance that is unprecidented. Everything from the USA PATRIOT act and the so called "economic stimulation" package to Fast Track and The FTAA as well as a rising momentum among the corp.s involved with the WTO, world Bank, IMF, Wef faction. OUr support of countries and puppet regimes that spit on the Geneva convention and our own lack of regard for this agreement is disturbing. We seem to be moving in a dangerous direction. Not only dangerous to our enemies but also to the common working man as well as the environment and any who disagrees with American policy. I have heard and read a lot of things regarding how to handle and deal with our current situation in the States and I have been able to seperate the ideas into two main camps of thought, the Ghandis and the Jeffersons. The Ghandis espouse non-violent confrontation and direct action in order to make a point and to be heard. The Jeffersons want direct confrontation even if it leads to violence. Now I am not saying that any thought camp is better than the other but it seems to me that if patterns in the upper segments of our society continue then we will be faced with a harsh decision. Do we try to make the most of our sham democracy and act in a manner that is on the moral high groound? Or do we revolt and effect major changes in the way america is run? We may see a time in the not to distant future when it will be a crime to but of own a gun, to speak your mind, to practice your own religion. Indeed we have already lost the right to peacable gather or to redress our government for greivances. OUr judical system is quickly going the way of the dodo and our president was not elected by the majority. This is all seeming too much like the rise of the emperor in Rome or even like Hitler's rise to power in post WW1 Germany. I feel that it is better to topple a corrupt government than to allow it to commit atrocities in the name of the State. I do not believe that we are being properly represented as most of the people whom we ellect are at the beck and call of powerful multi-national corporations. I am not advocating violence toward our gavernment but neither am I under the illusion that all of our problems will be solved through non-violent protests. So... How will we handle the future? I don't have all the answers but I do have a few suggestions as a start in order to prepare for the worst and work for the best. 1: Buy a gun now. Even if you hate them or are afraid of them, go out and buy a firearm that you feel comfortable with and enough ammo to load it a number of times. I would suggest a gun with a fairly standard round such as a .22 rifle or pistol, 9mm hand gun (go with Glock), or if you can get your hands one, an AK74 7.62 SKS semi-automatic bolt action (yes it is legal in the US) . 2: Form affinity groups with like minded people and come up with a plan in case shit hits the fan, Agree on a place to meet, how you will acquire provisions, and who is in charge of what. If you could find a place with a sturdy foundation that is easily defendable that would be your best bet for a meeting place. If not, go gurilla. There are numerous publications on the subject of home defence, find them, read them and take away the most valuable info from them. There are some things that you will need right off the bat in order to ensure the best chances of survival in the times to come. A non-battery powered radio, a small reserve of water (do not store in plastic jugs, glass works best), a good pack in order to transport the nessesary esentials, a hunting knife in case you do not have a gun or bow, and an American flag to show your patriotism to the troops and police so that you are not shot on sight. 3. Go to every protest you can. This will help to ensure that solidarity remains strong and may allow us to enact change without resorting to violence. 4: Vote, vote, vote. Even if it is a sham we are still living in a democracy (kind of) vote for independents and others who you feel will chalenge the status quo in every election, especially your local elections. 5: Convert the unenlightened. Use all the info at your disposal to inform family and friends about the issues at stake. Inform them of their rights and responsibilities as american citizens. finally... 6: Say something nice to at least one stranger a day. This will help them feel better about themselves and allow you to meet new people who may be future allies. Like I said, these are only small things that we can all do to prepare for the worst and work towards the best. If anyone else has any input I would hope that you offer it. These are trying times and I do not think that we should stand by and watch our government make fools out of us. We are obliged to hold our government and corporations accountable for their actions for they represent us to the rest of the world. We are the People, we are America and in America it is our right to revolt. Here's hoping that we can create a more peaceful and productive future by any means necessary. AA
Gandhi and Jefferson 17.Jan.2002 11:46


Many may think Gandhi did his nonviolent thing because
he was sweet. Those who think that way might be unfamiliar
with the style of empire of England, the viciousness of
General Smuts and the constant brutality that England engaged through the use of hired thugs.

The Gurkhas were little different for the Northern Alliance orthe yet to recognized "New Pinkertons". private security goons just like the labor battles of our earlier history.

Getting to the point: Gandhi had do deal much more
violence, including death than we are familiar with... and knowing this he chose non-violence. Why? Because he was sweet?
Nope. Because of three reasons.

One: He could not be attacked from the right.
Two: He could not be divided and fractionalized, being ruled by a principle of action. Minimizing the factionalism from the left.
Three: He wasn't interested in winning the battle, but in winning actual liberty. Students of history observe that one brutal regime is often followed by another. .... because of the means of transfer of power.

Gandhi said and meant: "The means are ends in process." Which if neededing explanation, states: that liberty won by the gun must be kept by the gun. This is especially true when all sorts of armed factions vie for power.

Jefferson, who pre-dated Gandhi, rightly said that (roughly) If the people are not served by the government of their own creation, they ought to revolt. To which I heartily agree. But just booting out the bad guys
does not make all good. (For this is just what the beady little eyes of John Asscroft believe he is doing.)

Thus I believe should Jefferson and Gandhi met they would agree both on what is to be done and how to do it.

Does this mean I advocate disarming the people? Nope. I believe the route of the population of Kosovo shows how bad it is to have a disarmed population. But I believe the way to Fight and win with the bad guys is to do so in a manner that leaves you both united and with a developing culture that you can live with.

(for this sort of work is never done.)

Fight the good fight. And work on the inner fiber as well as the outer fabric. Good luck in choosing wisely.