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Wall St. and the Drug Trade

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<P align=center><B><FONT face=Optima size=+4>Wall Street, CIA and the Global
Drug Trade</FONT></B><FONT size=+1><BR></FONT><FONT size=+2>Former Los Angeles
policeman Mike Ruppert blows the whistle on Wall Street's role in laundering
drug money for CIA enterprises, and warns that Colombia could be the centre of
the next regional conflict.</FONT><FONT face=Optima size=+2><BR></FONT><FONT
<P><FONT size=+1>Extracted from Nexus Magazine, </FONT><FONT size=+1><A
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<P><FONT size=+1>An interview with </FONT><FONT size=+1><A
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<P><B><FONT size=+1>Please introduce yourself.</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>I'm Mike Ruppert, and I'm the publisher of </FONT><I><FONT
size=+1><A href=" http://www.copvcia.com/">From The
Wilderness</A></FONT></I><FONT size=+1> newsletter and an ex-LAPD narc and
general troublemaker fighting corrupting and evil influence around the
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>When you created the newsletter, what were you responding to
and what were your intentions?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, in March of '98, it was about four months after I
confronted CIA Director John Deutch at Locke High School on world television--he
had come to Los Angeles to talk about allegations about CIA dealing drugs. I
stood up on CNN and ABC Nightline and I said: "I am a former LAPD narcotics
detective. I worked South Central and I can tell you, Director Deutch, that the
Agency has dealt drugs in this country for a long time." And the room exploded,
and what I saw at that time was there was a crying lack of knowledge in the body
politic about how much evidence there really was about the criminal activities
of the Central Intelligence Agency, specifically about dealing drugs. I said:
"Wait a minute; I can pull out a little newsletter and say, 'If you look at this
document, here's the proof for that.'" Because a lot of people were running
around with the vague notion that maybe the CIA were bad guys and had done some
things wrong, and they didn't know how much actual proof there was. So that's
been the mission: to present the real proof that's irrefutable about what goes
on. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Let's talk about your experience on the beat and what you
confronted as a citizen trying to do right in the streets--must be pretty wild
as it is.</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>I haven't been a policeman now for a long time. I graduated
from the LA Police Academy class of 11/73, hit the streets in January of '74 in
South Central Los Angeles. It was a vastly different world then; there was no
cocaine and we had six-shooters and straight batons and nobody had a radio that
you carried around with you. But the world has changed enormously. I specialised
in narcotics quickly, and heroin was the predominant drug on the street in my
area; it was Mexican brown heroin in those days. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>And what happened to me was that I met and fell in love with a
woman who was a contract CIA agent, a career agent. Now, I come from a CIA
family and they had tried to recruit me, so this was not unexpected to me, but I
began to see that she was protecting drug shipments and that the Agency was
actively involved in dealing drugs. This happened with her in Hawaii, Mexico,
Texas and New Orleans, and I kept saying I'm a narc, that I'm not going to
overlook drug shipments. That's what basically set me on the irreversible course
of events that determined the rest of my life. That was 1977.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>You imagine someone in the CIA as thinking about protecting
the country, or at least imagine the intelligence community as something that's
ordered around national security. What do you think it is that triggers them to
want to reconcile drug shipments in the country in line with that
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, they don't even have to reconcile it. That's what took so
long to figure out, but what we teach now with </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>From The
Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> is that it wasn't just CIA dealing some
drugs to fund covert operations. It is that drug money is an inherent part of
the American economy. It has always been so, as it was with the British in the
1600s when they introduced opium into China to fund the triangular trade with
the British East India Company.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>The point about the drug trade is not that the CIA dealt a few
drugs during the Contra years to fund the covert operation that Congress didn't
want it to engage in. The CIA has dealt drugs for all 50 years of its
existence--50 plus years, even before it was the CIA. And the point is that with
250 billion dollars a year in illegal drug money moved, laundered through the
American economy, that money benefits Wall Street. That's the point of having
the prohibitive drug trade, which the CIA effectively manages for the benefit of
Wall Street.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Just before the Contra war, the annual cocaine consumption in
this country was about 50 metric tons a year; let's say back in 1979. By 1985,
it was 600 metric tons a year. We are still consuming 550 metric tons of cocaine
a year in this country, and the money that's generated from that is used...let's
say some drug dealer in Colombia calls General Motors and buys a thousand
</FONT><I><FONT size=+1>Suburbans</FONT></I><FONT size=+1>--GM doesn't ask where
it came from. Philip Morris is now being sued by 28 departments (the same thing
as states) in Colombia for smuggling two billion dollars worth of Marlboro
cigarettes into Colombia and getting paid for it with cocaine money! That money
boosts Philip Morris's stock value on Wall Street; General Electric the same
way...it's documented in the US Department of Justice. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>So the purpose of the Agency being involved in the drug trade
has been to generate illegal cash, fluid liquid capital, which gives those who
can get their hands on it an unfair advantage in the marketplace.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>So when you hear the term "War on Drugs"...</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, it's not a War on Drugs. It's a War on People. Consider
this: Joseph McNamara, a former chief of San Jose from the Hoover Institute at
Stanford University, published some really telling figures. In 1972, when
Richard Nixon started the War on Drugs, the annual federal budget allocation was
110 million dollars a year for enforcement. In fiscal year 2000, 28 years later,
the budget allocation was 17 billion dollars a year, and yet, in the year 2000,
there are more drugs in this country, they are cheaper, and they are more potent
than they were in 1972. That has to tell you that there's some other agenda
going on here.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Going back to the idea of China and the Opium War, it is
described also as a war on the people of China, to bring them to a state of
passivity where they couldn't actually be a force. Do you see in some way the
drugs that come in satisfying a racist goal--with the crack laws especially in
black inner city populations?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>There are a number of ways to look at that. For the British,
the introduction of opium into China was a means to an end. China was a
homogeneous culture. When the British arrived there, they were these Caucasian
heathens. The Chinese didn't want anything to do with them; they didn't want to
give up their tea, they didn't want to give up their silk, and the British said
"We can't have this". They went to India and grew the opium poppy in east India,
in the foothills of the Himalayas, and smuggled it to China. And what they did
over the course of a hundred years was they converted China from a homogeneous
culture that was unified, into a society of warlords fighting for turf to see
who had which drug-dealing regions.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>If you look at what happened in South Central LA in the 1980s,
the model is exactly the same; it didn't change. When I talk about narcotics, I
come from several different angles. It's not just that I am a former narcotics
investigator with the LAPD; I am also a recovering alcoholic who has sponsored
men in recovery for 17 years. I've served on the board of directors of the
National Council on Alcoholism. Alcohol is a drug. I have written more than 35
articles in the </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>US Journal of Drug and Alcohol
Dependence</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> on treatment of addiction, recovery from
addiction. The issue with drugs is this: people are going to get addicted no
matter what you do, and a certain percentage of any population will always get
<P><FONT size=+1>What the Agency has done (and I have written specifically on
this; it's on my website), through institutions like the Rand Corporation and
UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute and a number of academic projects which the
CIA has funded, is they have deliberately engaged in pharmacological research to
find out which drugs are most addictive. For example, in 1978-79, long before
the cocaine epidemic hit here in the United States, research scientists from
UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute, some of whom, like Louis Jolly West, who were
very closely tied to the </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>MK-ULTRA</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1> program, were doing research in South America where South American
natives were smoking basuco, which has the same effect as crack cocaine. And the
addiction was so strong that they were performing lobotomies and the people were
still smoking the </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>basuco</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> or the
paste in Colombia; and they knew that because NI and the Rand Corporation
brought that data back. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>So the CIA knew in 1980 exactly what the effects of crack were
going to be when it hit the streets.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Who benefits most from an addicted inner-city
<P><FONT size=+1>It's not just who benefits most; it's how many people can
benefit on how many different ends of the spectrum. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>We published a story in my newsletter </FONT><I><FONT
size=+1>From The Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> in May of 1998 that was
written by Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing [and
Urban Development, HUD]. She produced a map in 1996, August of 1996--that's the
same month that the Gary Webb story broke in the </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>San
Jose Mercury News</FONT></I><FONT size=+1>. It was a map that showed the pattern
of single family foreclosures or single family mortgages--HUD-backed
mortgages--in South Central Los Angeles. But when you looked at the map all of
these HUD foreclosures, they were right in the heart of the area where the crack
cocaine epidemic had occurred. And what was revealed by looking at the HUD data
was that, during the 1980s, thousands of middle-class African American
wage-earning families with mortgages lost their homes. Why? There were drive-by
shootings, the whole neighbourhood deteriorated, crack people moved in next
door, your children got shot and went to jail and you had to move out. The house
on which you owed $100,000 just got appraised at $40,000 because nobody wanted
to buy it and you had to flee; you couldn't sell it, so you walked on it. And
what Catherine's research showed was that someone else came along and bought
thousands of homes for 10 to 20 cents in the dollar in the years right after the
crack cocaine epidemic.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>So the economic model is the same one that's always been in
play for the ruling elite: use the poor people's money to steal their own land.
You get the poor people to buy the drugs, using their money; you take that money
to bring in more drugs, which destroys their property value, and then you steal
it back. And the same thing has happened not only in Los Angeles; it has
happened in Washington Heights in New York. As a matter of fact, it's been
documented by a fabulous researcher, Professor John Metzger at the University of
Michigan, who is one of my subscribers; he has a doctorate of urban planning. It
was discussed in the Kerner Commission Report in 1967 after the Detroit riots,
where it became US government policy that no more than a quarter of the
population of any major inner city should be minority. "Spatial deconcentration"
they call it, which really sounds Nazi to me, but it's in the Kerner Commission
<P><FONT size=+1>So the plan is literally to kill, loot...let me make it real
simple...it's "Kill the Indians, take the land, take the wealth". So it is
something of a misnomer or a misconception to believe that all of the cocaine or
all of the crack cocaine was only used by African Americans. There was almost as
much crack being used by whites as there was by African Americans, certainly in
terms of total consumption. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Whites probably consumed more cocaine than African Americans,
but they consumed powder. And what we saw was a deliberate effort by the Agency
or Agency-related organisations to make sure that the large quantities of the
cocaine, and the high-quality cocaine, got into the inner cities like Los
Angeles. It was protected. And that's what I saw with the LAPD. I saw the
hands-on working relationship, the interface between local police departments
and the CIA. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>I was first recruited when I was a senior at UCLA. The Agency
flew me to Washington and said: "Mike, we want you to become a CIA case officer.
You've already interned for LAPD for three years, you interned for the chief,
your family was CIA, your mother was NSA. We want you to go back to the LAPD,
and being an LAPD cop will just be your cover." </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Now the Agency has done that; we've documented it in New
Orleans, in New York, in police departments all across the country. And I've
seen the interface where the CIA will deal very quietly with local agencies to
protect their drug operations. That's one of the reasons they have to do it; it
weeds out competition. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Now the people who go on from CIA training and become police
officer covers, are they not inherently crooked? Is it for money or do they
actually believe there's a benefit here?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, we were talking earlier before about Lenny Horowitz and
his great book, </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>Emerging Viruses</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1>. He has a quote in the front of that book that's one of my favourite
quotes of all time; it's from Alexander Solzhenitsyn. And Solzhenitsyn says that
men, in order to do evil, must first believe that what they are doing is good,
otherwise they can't do it. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Now, not everybody in a local police department who connects
with the CIA is a case officer. The Agency will use contractors. They'll
approach guys who have military specialties and they'll hire them on the side.
There are some like LAPD Chief Daryl Gates, who I believe was a case officer his
whole life--and we can go there later if you want to. Others are just contract
employees, but they brainwash themselves. And it's easy to believe--it's one of
the worst human vices of all--that if you're making all this money and you have
power, then you're doing it for a good cause. So there's an aspect of delusion
about it, but it is one that becomes extremely vicious when you try to bring it
out of denial.</FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1></FONT></B></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>The guy who goes and buys the house at the cheap rate, how
is he really connected to the CIA who are bringing in drugs from Nicaragua? Some
people would say that's a simplified version of a conspiracy theory. How would
you respond to those people?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>This is all documentable, this is provable, this is not
speculation. We can trace this money very quickly; it's very easy to do. That's
one of the reasons we've been so dangerous at </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>From The
Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1>, because this is not speculation. Did the
guy who was operating the roundhouse that turned around the train that was
rolling to Auschwitz know what was going on in the shower room? I'm not making
that argument, but it was all part of the system that produced the same net
result. And what you find repeatedly--one of the things that we'll be seeing
more of, I think, in </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>From The Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1> and certainly I've seen excellent research on this--is that one of the
biggest investors in HUD multi-family units and HUD mortgages is Harvard
University. It is a huge corporation that has a long list of ties to organised
crime. Well, you take major firms like Harvard or related investment firms that
also turn out to be huge campaign contributors, and they find out that there are
200 houses on the market for 20 cents in the dollar and they don't ask how it
got that way; they just follow the money.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>I was at the Shadow Convention where I interviewed a number of
very famous people--Jesse Jackson, John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Arianna
Huffington, Scott Harshbarger of Common Cause, a great many very important
American people. I talked to them about the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in
July of 2000 confirming that there was evidence that CIA was ordering drug
dealing by a Contra leader, Reynato Peña. And it was funny, because I got all
these political answers. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>But one guy I talked to was a guy named Rex Nutting, who was
the bureau chief of CBS </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>Market Watch</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1>--he is the head guy for CBS for the stock market. And we're sitting
back in the room--I'm waiting for Huffington to get free--and I'm talking to
this guy about the fact that Richard Grasso, the Chairman of the New York Stock
Exchange, last July went to Colombia and cold-called on the FARC guerrillas and
asked them to invest their drug money in Wall Street. And Rex Nutting says:
"Well, of course they always go where the money is. It's obvious."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>The drug money is always going through Wall Street. Wall Street
smells money and doesn't care where the money comes from; they'll go for the
drug money. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>And we jokingly laughed that the National Security Act that
created the CIA in '47 was written by a guy called Clark Clifford, who was a
Wall Street banker and lawyer. He's the guy that brought us BCCI. The job of
writing the outline for CIA, the design for the Agency, was given to Clark
Clifford by John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles--both law partners in the Wall
Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. In '69 after Nixon came in, the
Chairman of SEC [Securities and Exchange Commission] was William Casey--the same
guy who was Ronald Reagan's Director of Central Intelligence. And the current
Vice President in charge of enforcement for the New York Stock Exchange, Dave
Dougherty, is a retired CIA General Counsel. The CIA is Wall Street, and vice
versa. When you understand that, and that money is the primary objective,
everything else just falls into place.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>What is the character of our governing body that's taken on
this apparatus? What times do we live in?</FONT></B> </P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, this is the Roman Empire. This is the Roman Empire before
the fall. There is no question. I have written extensively in </FONT><I><FONT
size=+1>From The Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> and we've been right...we
talk about a thing called a map. Have you ever had the experience where you're
reading a map--you're trying to go to a party or some place you've never been
before--and you follow this map and you read it, and you see that according to
the map you're supposed to be at 34th and Main, and you look up at the street
sign and it says 34th and Main? You feel good. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>But if you look up at the street sign and it says Fifth and
Broadway, you get this real sinking feeling inside. Everybody, most of the
world, is operating from a bad map. From The Wilderness has a good map because
we've been able to predict what's going to happen; we can explain it and make
sense out of it.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=+1>The map that we're following--and this is where I agree
wholeheartedly with </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>Le Monde</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> in
Paris, a fabulous publication that's about to give us a pretty decent
endorsement in September [2000], this month--is that organised crime is probably
the lubricating force for the entire world economy right now. There's a trillion
dollars a year in organised crime money. That trillion dollars a year is liquid,
and if you think of money--criminal money, drug money--as water, which is thin,
it can flow very quickly from point A to point B. And in the world markets,
where you apply money is where you control business. You control markets. You
control banks. You control interest rates. Drug money flows fastest. Money that
is not criminal money has to go through regulations and banking systems. It has
to go through taxations. It's tracked. The lawyers follow it. That money moves
like molasses.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>So those who have access to the cheapest capital always win.
That's why if you don't play with drug money in the world economy today, you
can't play at all. That's why, as we have documented, drug money was going
directly into Al Gore's presidential campaign. Why? Because the Republicans,
going as far back as Reagan, were using drug money, and that's how they put
Reagan into office--with Bill Casey. If you don't play in that mode, you can't
play at all. But the analogy I use is that it's like a snake eating its own
tail: it's got to stop sooner or later.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>We were faced with a huge economic lapse in 1997 when the Asian
economies collapsed and the whole world held its breath, waiting for the other
shoe to drop in the American markets. Well, it didn't drop. But you know why it
didn't drop? Because we went to war in Kosovo. We blew up several hundred
billion dollars worth of bridges, refineries and factories. The KLA controls 77
per cent of the heroin that's entering into Western Europe. We loosened up that
money. American companies got all these new contracts to rebuild the refineries,
the bridges, and the economy was saved. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Now we're going to war in Colombia--we have already taken
combat casualties--but it's not sustainable because Colombia is and will become
another Vietnam. And South America is already saying "We're not going there".
<P><FONT size=+1>So I think we're on the brink of some really serious economic
upheavals in the US economy that are essential, because the system cannot last.
The way I see it, this is this very much like Rome. And I see some big changes
coming very soon.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Obviously you deploy information in the desire that people
might become conscious of it and make a change. What do you think when the
average American says, "Why is this not in the major media and, if it's true,
then it's gotta stop"? What do you say?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>As far as the major media go, it's real simple. First of all,
if you look at what just happened with AOL and Time Warner who own CNN. We have
proven in </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>From The Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1>
that CNN flat lost a lawsuit over the use of sarin gas during Vietnam. The
Tailwind suits were settled and the former producer, April Oliver, just bought a
six-bedroom house. I mean, CNN cannot afford to tell the truth, because what
happened when they tried to tell the truth is that Henry Kissinger and Colin
Powell picked up the phone and scared Ted Turner to death by threatening his
stock value on Wall Street.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>It's very interesting to note that one of the companies I track
as far as laundering drug monies go--General Electric--happens to own NBC. Now,
everybody knows that GE brings good things to life; they make DVDs, VCRs,
television sets, telephones. When drug money in South America says they'd like
to buy 100 million dollars worth of TVs and DVDs so that someone laundering drug
money in Colombia can open a chain of appliance stores and make that money
legal, GE asks absolutely no questions about where that money is coming from. As
a matter of fact, there are no requirements for Wall Street to report drug money
being invested.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>If you and I go to a bank and we take in $10,001 in cash, the
bank has to fill out a currency transaction report because you might be
laundering money. GE can accept a check for 100 million dollars from the biggest
drug lord in the world, and there is no requirement in the world that GE report
that to anybody. But with a thing called the "price-to-earnings ratio" on their
shares, a hundred million dollars in net profit for GE in South America--which
was very easily done last year--equates to, at a price-to-earnings ratio of
thirty to one, an increase in GE's stock value of three billion
<P><FONT size=+1>So we're living in a hugely inflated bubble, and not one of the
major media outlets in this country--all of which are publicly traded
corporations afraid of takeover, trying to maximise profits--can afford to tell
the truth. That's why we see these great opportunities for little organisations
like From The Wilderness, and you guys, and everybody else that's coming up
now--because what we're peddling is the truth, and what we find is that the
truth sells!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Very well said. So now the second part of the question is
this: what do you think the reaction of the American people will be when a
critical mass of people actually digests this information in a rational way?
<P><FONT size=+1>Denial is not a river in Egypt! There's gonna be a lot of
wailing and gnashing of teeth. There are several ways that I describe this.
America is hopelessly addicted to its consumerism and blinded by the fact that
the good things that we enjoy in our lives are at the price of slave labour in
Indonesia, East Timor and all over the world. But we're blind to that--the same
way that a drunk on a barstool is blind to the fact that he's drunk. Alcoholics
don't stop because they don't know </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>when</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1> to stop, they don't know </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>how</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1>. One is too many and ten thousand not enough.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>There are two models that I use to describe what happens in the
American culture. One of them is we're like a family in which the father is
molesting the youngest daughter, and everybody in the family conspires in a
conspiracy of silence to scapegoat the youngest daughter because they're afraid
of what's going to happen to the family if they speak out or, worse yet, they
think "Oh my God, he's going to come after me". America very much works that
way. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>But the other way that I look at it is that we have to hit a
bottom. Something is going to have to break. Something's gonna have to fall
out--something's gonna have to destabilise the equilibrium here before people
will even begin to look at what's going on. Yes, we've made some enormous
progress over the last five years because there's a real hunger for good
information, but as far as reaching the vast majority of the American people
goes, something's gonna have to knock 'em off their barstool!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Cool. How would you characterise our "democracy", the
two-party system? Is there any truth to the fact that we elect our
<P><FONT size=+1>No. It's a joke. There are two ends of the same party. There
are two factions. There's what I like to call a Clinton faction--even though he
is leaving office--and a Bush faction. But they are like the Genoveses and the
Gambinos. If I am going to be the shopkeeper who is going to be oppressed, it
doesn't make any difference to me whether there's a Gambino or a Genovese
sticking a gun in my face and taking the money out of my pocket. We rationalise
this by saying, "Well, they keep the economy good, etc., etc." That's the blind
<P><FONT size=+1>But no one in the American political system is allowed to rise
to the level where they can seriously compete for the White House unless they
are already compromised. Period. I know; I've been there. I was the press
spokesman for the Perot presidential campaign in Los Angeles County in 1992. I
had known Ross Perot before--we had spoken on issues of the POWs, the CIA and
drugs--and what I found out is that I have yet to meet a millionaire who has my
best interests at heart. And what I saw done was Ross had no intention of
winning; it was all fixed even as far back as '92. I don't think we've had a
fair election in this country since John Kennedy, even if that was fair,
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Can you explain some of the political adventures or
misadventures that brought the CIA to the public eye around drug
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, if you go back historically, the Agency has been real
active in Central America since the Second World War. I mean, the Agency was
down there, even before it was CIA, with United Fruit and all the major
landowners in Central America. In 1979, Anastasio Samosa, the dictator of
Nicaragua, was overthrown by the Sandino movement--the Sandinistas. They were a
"Marxist" movement, and Ronald Reagan mobilised the country to stave off this
alleged threat of communist imperialism on America's doorstep. It was a whole
lot of rubric and Congress didn't really want to get involved in it deeply.
Congress passed some amendments to the Military Appropriations Act. They were
known as the Boland Amendments, and were passed first I think in 1981 and again
in 1984; they were Boland 1 and 2, which limited direct military aid to the
Contras, the people fighting the Sandinistas.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>And so the CIA and Ronald Reagan and Bill Casey and George Bush
(Vice President George Bush) were running the whole operation; we know that now.
They circumvented the will of Congress and there was this explosion of drug
trafficking all throughout Central America, coordinated by the CIA. And we now
have the CIA's own documents, and I can show you one later. It's the CIA's
Volume 2 of their own Inspector-General's Report from 1998 where, in its own
words, the Agency admits that of the 58 known Contra groups, 58 were involved
with drugs. And that the Agency dealt with them; it protected six traffickers,
kept them out of jail. One guy moving four tons of cocaine a month was using a
bank account opened by White House staffer Oliver North. Other CIA assets were
caught moving 200 kilos at a time--200 kilos is not personal use--and he was
saying, "Well, I can't tell you what I'm doing because I'm doing it for the
National Security Council"--that's the White House organ that oversees the
Central Intelligence Agency. So we saw this huge explosion.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>The point I make in my lectures is that in the mid- to late
'70s, we in America--those of us who are old enough to remember--dealt with
cartels but we didn't deal with drug cartels, we dealt with oil cartels. We had
an oil crisis and it almost crippled the American economy. We had been
subsidised by very cheap oil that we acquired by, in a sense, exploiting other
countries. Well, then we had cartels of cocaine and we went from 40 to 50 metric
tons a year to 600 metric tons a year. And that money was moved through Wall
Street and became, in effect, the capital that replaced oil in the US economy.
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>How do you characterise the true governance in the world,
and is this national or international? </FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, I think some of this is really traceable. Some people
talk about something called the Illuminati. I've never met any Illuminati. When
people start to talk to me about the Trilateral Commission, the Council on
Foreign Relations and the Bilderbergers--those are all readily identifiable
groups of people who are the wealthiest of the wealthy in the world. And we find
the Rothschilds and there are groups of wealth in the world that are so powerful
that political movements don't ever touch them. And yes, they are in effect a
guiding unseen hand. I have yet to see one individual person--I don't think
there's a Mr Big somewhere, like in the Wizard of Oz, pulling levers--that's
responsible for all the evil. I've never yet found one person who, if they were
killed, would take away all the evil.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>I want to talk about Clinton for a bit because it's
incredible that most people don't even understand Mena. Is he not the ultimate
millennial politician, and can you just tell us a little about who he really is?
<P><FONT size=+1>Bill Clinton... Well, first of all, he was up to his eyeballs
in CIA cocaine in Mena, Arkansas. Again, it's provable; the </FONT><I><FONT
size=+1>Wall Street Journal</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> covered it.
The</FONT><I><FONT size=+1> New York Times</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> covered the
aspects of that. Gary Webb in his fabulous book, </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>Dark
Alliance</FONT></I><FONT size=+1>, produced documents showing that CIA contracts
at the Mena airport were negotiated by the Rose Law Firm--Hillary's law firm.
There is no question that Bill came up in that milieu. My democratic drug money
piece also covered this, showing that the CIA has been under Clinton control,
funnelling money into the Democratic Party. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Bill Clinton is a guy who came up with this driving ambition to
become President. He would do </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>anything</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1> to be President. And he </FONT><I><FONT size=+1>did</FONT></I><FONT
size=+1> do anything to become President. He is a lean, mean, vicious, ruthless
streetfighter. Yes, he came from humble beginnings; his mother was a nurse,
there was drinking in the background, his father died in a car crash. Some
people have speculated that his real father might be Winthrop Rockefeller--who
knows? But he is not a guy who came up in the fourth-generation in-bred George
W. Bush style, you know, who has never had to fight a fair fight in his life.
And my personal belief is that one on one, or politically even, the Clinton
faction would kick the Bush faction every time--except the Bush faction just has
lots more money!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Clinton played the games he had to play. I firmly believe that
Bill Clinton was connected to the CIA as far back as when he was at Oxford. I
believe his trip to Moscow was not to protest the war. I believe it was to spy
on Americans. He was making his bones. And I've documented this very completely,
about how Bill Clinton blackmailed his way out of the impeachment with the proof
in the CIA investigations that Reagan and Bush had been dealing cocaine and
ordering it, that Bush was involved in it first-hand; and that's where we got
it--volume two of the report. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>The big side-story of this is that the Gary Webb story was
broken in August '96. We were promised all these investigations. [Democrat
Congresswoman] Maxine Waters jumped in and was running all around the country
screaming about CIA and cocaine. In March of 1998, the Chairman of the Federal
Reserve, Alan Greenspan, did a walking tour of South Central and Maxine received
a 300-million-dollar empowerment grant. Then, in May, Maxine Waters received a
"smoking gun" letter from Reagan Attorney-General William French Smith to Bill
Casey, where it said the CIA no longer has to report drug trafficking by its
agents! It's in writing! </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Then, in October of '98, CIA Inspector-General Frederick Hitz
released a report...well, actually, he didn't release it; he had finished a
report as far back as May or June of '98 and it was classified as Top Secret;
and it was left to the CIA Director George Tenet to declassify it for public
consumption. Well, George Tenet works for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton appoints
the head of the CIA. Head of the CIA takes Clinton's orders. That report--that
CIA report that absolutely destroys George Bush--is a public document; you can
access it off my website copvcia.com, and I have these extracts that I sell. It
was released to the public on October 8, 1998, one hour after Henry Hyde's
committee on the judiciary voted to start the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Bill
Clinton picked up the phone and said: "They're gonna impeach me? George Tenet,
CIA, release the report that sinks George Bush; we'll see how far they want to
go." Click. Maxine Waters stops screaming about CIA and drugs, and she starts
supporting Bill Clinton. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Now the interesting thing that my investigations have revealed
is that one of the people who helped negotiate the smoking-gun memorandum was a
guy on the Attorney-General's staff named Ken Starr. That's the guy who was
prosecuting Clinton! Clinton was blackmailing the Republicans. Both sides played
the same game, and Clinton basically says: "You wanna take me down? I'll bring
the whole government down!" </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>I had six hits on my website on February 11, 1999, when the
Senate was doing the trial of Bill Clinton. They were reading my stories on the
impeachment, and that's when the whole story caved in.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>What would you say to young people now? Do we have to be
guerrillas? Once we get what you're saying, what should we do? </FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Follow the money. Understand how money works. If you have a
sense in some part of your body, some part of your soul, that something's not
right, you're probably right. Something isn't right. I grew up in the '50s and
'60s and, you know, one of the things was to question authority. Question
authority. Do not accept the mind control that's being fed to you; just don't do
it!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>With Colombia, explain how that war is being constructed and
how it is being played out in the press? </FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Let's work on the structure of the war in Colombia first. I
think that's far more important to understand why Colombia is like Vietnam.
There are so many similarities between Colombia and Vietnam. First of all,
Colombia will be a regional conflict like Vietnam was. The Vietnam War was not
just Vietnam; it was North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand,
Guam, China, the whole surrounding region. And the Colombian conflict will be
Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, maybe even Mexico, Puerto
Rico certainly. We've admitted that we are going to stage for invasion or for
intervention in Puerto Rico when we go in. Marines are now training and they've
been landing on Colombian beaches. You haven't been hearing that.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>One of the reasons why Colombia is like Vietnam is because we
already have about 300 Special Forces Green Beret advisers on the ground,
training Colombian troops, but we have maybe 500 to 1,000 former--and I use that
term real loosely--CIA Special Forces personnel who have supposedly retired from
the military and are now working for two corporations: Dyncorp and MPRI. And
they're in Colombia as "civilian advisers" but they're going out on combat
missions. They're flying airplanes, they're shooting, they're being shot. We've
had Army personnel shot down already. About a year ago we had an Army plane shot
down by a SAM [surface-to-air missile]. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>We have major investment corporations like Nicholas Brady's
Darby Investments. Nicholas Brady was George Bush's Secretary of the Treasury.
He has just opened a billion-dollar investment partnership with a group called
Corfinsura, based in Medellín, Colombia, to build roads and dams. And it's like
what we saw in Vietnam with major companies like Brown &amp; Root going in to
build Cam Ranh Bay, making billions of dollars in profit.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>So we're going in to suck out. You see, for twenty or thirty
years now, the drug money has been building up in Colombia. There's trillions of
dollars in equity that's accumulated and it's become a threat to Wall Street's
control, so we have to go down and blow the country up to take the money back to
make sure it doesn't become powerful. Venezuela is not going along with this,
like Cambodia would not go along with the Vietnam War and Laos wouldn't either.
President Hugo Chavez is denying overflight to American planes, so we're gonna
sabotage the Venezuelan economy! This is going to suck us into a hemispheric
conflict just like Vietnam.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>This is the difference. With Vietnam, we were told we were
going in to fight the evil Communists. Well, we don't have any more Communist
bogeymen. I mean, China is there but it's not really a military threat unless
you're on the far right and totally needing lithium. But what we see is that
we're being told that we're going to fight the evil drug lords. Well, the
American Press even now is having trouble selling that to the American people.
And even now, in the first or second week in September of 2000, we're starting
to have body counts turn up in the news. It's just like Vietnam, but the Press
is having a real hard time dealing with it. This is the sign of the end of the
road for this system. It's starting to crumble right now.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>But they are reporting this like Vietnam. And I will never
forget the coverage from Vietnam exactly the way it played out, because these
were my high school classmates that were dying. And it's sounding very similar
right now.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>Last question. What is the power of money? At the end of the
day, drugs means money. Talk a bit about that and what it does to policemen, or
to law and order?</FONT></B></P>
<P><FONT size=+1>Well, I think it's the whole system. Most rank-and-file
policemen on the street are not what I would call innovative free-thinkers. They
aren't the kind of guys who would see an opportunity to go illegal and just kind
of do that on their own initiative. They have to see or sense that it's going on
in a climate that allows them to get away with it. So we see the corruption
working throughout society. When drug money is going directly into Wall
Street--well, why not, you know, if you're a cop...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>About the Interviewer:<BR></FONT></B><FONT size=+1>Guerrilla
News Network (GNN) interviewed Mike Ruppert at the CIA-Drugs Symposium II in Los
Angeles on September 23, 2000. GNN is an underground news organisation based in
New York City, with production facilities in Berkeley, California. Its mission
it is "to expose people to important global issues through guerrilla programming
on the web and on television". Visit GNN's website at </FONT><FONT size=+1><A
href=" http://www.guerrillanews.com/">http://www.guerrillanews.com/</A></FONT><FONT
<P><FONT size=+1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT size=+1>About the Interviewee:<BR></FONT></B><FONT size=+1>Michael
C. Ruppert, former LAPD officer, is Editor/Publisher of </FONT><I><FONT
size=+1>From The Wilderness</FONT></I><FONT size=+1> newsletter. His article,
"</FONT><FONT size=+1><A href=" http://www.nexusmagazine.com/bushcheney.html">The
Bush-Cheney Drug Empire</A></FONT><FONT size=+1>", was published in
</FONT><B><I><FONT size=+1>NEXUS</FONT></I></B><FONT size=+1> 8/02. He can be
contacted at: PO Box 6061-350, Sherman Oaks, CA 91413, USA, tel +1 (818) 788
8791, fax +1 (818) 981 2847, email </FONT><FONT size=+1><A
href="mailto: mruppert@copvcia.com"> mruppert@copvcia.com</A></FONT><FONT
size=+1>. Visit his website at </FONT><FONT size=+1><A
href=" http://www.copvcia.com/">http://www.copvcia.com/</A></FONT><FONT
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